Hi all, An interesting topic. The database of Jack's seed germination results is still available on-line thru the Great Lakes Bulbs web site, URL = http://www.shieldsgardens.com/GLOVBulbs/ Go to the Projects link then to the link to "Jack Elliott's Seed Germination Database " which is URL = http://shieldsgardens.com/GLOVBulbs/… I try to keep records on all batches of seeds that I start, but not as a separate table. I'd be happy to look up any particular species results for the discussion. I have had Clivia miniata citrina seed reach first bloom in as little as 30 months. So far, I've never had a Haemanthus started from seed here reach blooming size, but I'm still waiting. Various Nerine species take very different times to bloom from seed. I think N. undulata has been my fastest Nerine. Jim Shields in central Indiana ************************************************* Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 Shields Gardens, Ltd. P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Tel. +1-317-896-3925