Wow, we will all have something to do in our leisure time. Thank you everybody for this great beginning to the TOW. I plan to look at them all as I have time. Diane, I couldn't figure out how to access the Australian arisaema site, but maybe you just wanted to give us a way to look up old sites. Re: Especially this page which highlights over collection of bulb species such as Scilla and Eucomis http://www.rhino.org.za/flora_medicinal.htm I looked up Scilla natalensis in A field guide to wildflowers Kwazulu-Natal and the Eastern region by Elsa Pooley (a book I don't think was mentioned) and this book says it is a traditional treatment for internal tumours, boils, fractures and lung disease in cattle. That was an amazing number of bulbs being harvested so surely there must be other uses. I remember many years ago when Bill Dijk sent a lot of us fresh seed of this species at about this time of the year. I was just talking to a friend this week about how in spite of getting good germination our long term success wasn't very good. I ended up with only one plant the second year, but it is doing well and has since produced a number of offsets. Cathy Craig was much more successful with her seed. How many do you still have Cathy? It didn't seem to be an easy plant to propagate so what a huge loss if they are all removed. Eucomis autumnalis in that same book is widely used to treat urinary and pulmonary aliments, fever and diseases of stock.