Cathy Craig sent this additional information for those who might be interested in #17 on the current Pacific Bx offering: Dell, regarding the notation below (17.), Dave Karnstedt has generously elaborated on my description for the BXers and explained that the lily is a pure trumpet, not a hybrid. (See last paragraph). I will leave it to you to post this if you wish to do so to the robin. 17. Lilium 'Golden Splendor' This is an outward-facing trumpet (probably an asiapet or orienpet), darker yellow, very fragrant, and is probably close to 4 ft tall. Dave responds: 'Golden Splendor' is a "pure" trumpet that was developed in the 60's and 70's by Jan deGraaf and his breeders in Oregon. The object of the breeding was to continuously select from each year's sowing of seed only the best examples to serve as parents to the next generation. Thus, the strain being offered was always better than its predecessor of even a year or two earlier. Cathy Craig President PBS Maritime zone 9b