At 08:13 10/04/03 -0400, you wrote: >Today I heard Cliva prounced two different ways. Is the first I long or >short. This was at a plant sale the master gardeners booth. I kept my >mouth shut. > pat, This has come up on a few TV programs here recently. From what I have been told in a few cases this was named after a person with the name 'Clive' so the pronunciation is Cl-I-vea (i.e a hard I not the short). I've now heard that about 3 or 4 times in recent weeks from different sources so I am assuming that it is probably correct. It is fascinating that you have brought it up just now when it seems to have come up so often for me recently. Cheers. Paul Tyerman Canberra, Australia. USDA equivalent - Zone 8/9 mailto:email@example.com Growing.... Galanthus, Erythroniums, Fritillarias, Cyclamen, Crocus, Cyrtanthus, Liliums, Hellebores, Aroids, Irises plus just about anything else that doesn't move!!!!!