Crocosmias

David Fenwick cf018a3312@blueyonder.co.uk
Sun, 23 Feb 2003 04:33:02 PST
Hi Paul,

>>>>Mine is a pure yellow.  So how should I label it now then?  Just with a
yellow or something like that?  I'd rather not passon an incorrect name.

Just carry on calling it 'Citronella', as this what is currently accepted
and will be for a long time. Just wanted you to know the whole story. Also
remember, another important thing with plant naming is the provenance, as
it's almost as important to remember from where the plant came from and its
history as it is its name.

>>>>>>>>>THE LARGEST OF ALL THE MONTBRETIAS, FROM FOUR TO FIVE INCHES IN
DIAMETER. BRIGHT ORANGE WITH DARK MARKINGS. HEIGHT THREE FEET.

>>>4 to 5 inches!!!!!!!!!???? (Cough! Splutter!!)  They get THAT big?  I've
certainly never seen any Crocosmia even remotely near that size and I would
be most interested to see one.

So would I, the nearest to that size is probably 'Star of the East'.

>>>>Mine are just the 'standard' inch to inch and a half across types
flowers, but maybe if I treated them a little better they'd do better.  I
actually repoted 'Lucifer' this year as I felt
sorry for it... it hadn't flowered for the last 2 years and was looked
decidedly ill.  Shows what leaving it in the same pot with not a lot of
watering for 4 years can do <grin>.  It has rebounded well and even flowered
this year which was a nice surprise so maybe it's flowers will be larger
next year after a "recharge" from teh repotting this season.  It still isn't
going to get anywhere near 4 to 5 inches though.

Usually it's only C. x crocosmiiflora types that respond this way.

I only ever leave potted hybrids in their pots for 2 years maximum. Keeping
them potted can increase the chance of disease due to their pests.
Remembering red spider over winter in plant debris, compost gnats (sciarid
fly and gladiolus thrip are soil borne, and that root aphis can be another
problem on containerised Crocosmia in warmer areas. Repotting and a little
descaling of corms help prevent pest and disease. It also helps stop
stagnation of the compost. I find on growing many bulbs in containers that
as the bulbs grow and spread the compost can be compressed and hence will be
less aireated, thus anerobic conditions and methane production by anerobic
bacteria in the compost can cause root dieback and death. I've seen this
more though with Tulbaghia which produce a huge amount of root.

Here I use compost from growbags for everything, it is Irish Moss peat based
and resembles bulb fibre but with twigs and very course peat in it. One
brand in particular has a very high air filled porosity and gives extremely
good results with bulbs.

I'd rather repot each year than have any pest or disease problems. It
certainly helps on growing such a broad spectrum of bulbs.

>>>>Thanks for the correction of 'Solfatare'/'Solfaterre' (which should I be
calling it?).  What is it's description if you don't mind me asking?

'Solfatare'

It's original description is as follows:
LARGE FLOWERS DISPLAYING THEMSELVES FULL FACE, NAPLES YELLOW, HABIT ALMOST
ERECT; STEMS 65 cm HIGH, A VERY DISTINCTIVE AND ATTRACTIVE VARIETY.
VICTOR LEMOINE CATALOGUE No.104, 1886

When Lemoine describes it as having large flowers we must consider that it
did have large flowers for the period in which it was bred. However, Lemoine
fails to say that it had bronze leaves, and it was probably the first hybrid
to have bronze leaves. Now if I was a breeder I'd shout about it, but
Lemoine, well as one of the all time great breeders we must just think he
was being modest or wasn't bothered by the leaf colour. It's one of those
things, the more you know, the more questions you need answering. If a plant
was found growing with an original label beside it, it would be fantastic
confirmation. However, after 100 years, I doubt it will be found.

Best Wishes,
Dave

David Fenwick
NCCPG National Collection of Crocosmia with Chasmanthe and Tulbaghia
The African Garden
96 Wasdale Gardens
Estover
Plymouth
Devon
England
PL6 8TW

Website: http://www.theafricangarden.com/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Tyerman" <ptyerman@ozemail.com.au>
To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [pbs] Re: Crocosmias


> David,
>
> Mine is a pure yellow.  So how should I label it now then?  Just with a
> yellow or something like that?  I'd rather not passon an incorrect name.
>
> >
> >The largest Crocosmia ever bred was Crocosmia x crocosmiiflora 'Henry
VIII'
> >and bred by Jack Fitt and Sydney Morris in 1918.
> >
> >Original Description
> >THE LARGEST OF ALL THE MONTBRETIAS, FROM FOUR TO FIVE INCHES IN DIAMETER.
> >BRIGHT ORANGE WITH DARK MARKINGS. HEIGHT THREE FEET.
> >
>
> 4 to 5 inches!!!!!!!!!???? (Cough! Splutter!!)  They get THAT big?  I've
> certainly never seen any Crocosmia even remotely near that size and I
would
> be most interested to see one.  Mine are just the 'standard' inch to inch
> and a half across types flowers, but maybe if I treated them a little
> better they'd do better.  I actually repoted 'Lucifer' this year as I felt
> sorry for it... it hadn't flowered for the last 2 years and was looked
> decidedly ill.  Shows what leaving it in the same pot with not a lot of
> watering for 4 years can do <grin>.  It has rebounded well and even
> flowered this year which was a nice surprise so maybe it's flowers will be
> larger next year after a "recharge" from teh repotting this season.  It
> still isn't going to get anywhere near 4 to 5 inches though.
>
> Thanks for the correction of 'Solfatare'/'Solfaterre' (which should I be
> calling it?).  What is it's description if you don't mind me asking?
>
> Cheers.
>
> Paul Tyerman
> Canberra, Australia.  USDA equivalent - Zone 8/9
> mailto:ptyerman@ozemail.com.au
>
> Growing.... Galanthus, Erythroniums, Fritillarias, Cyclamen, Crocus,
> Cyrtanthus, Liliums, Hellebores, Aroids, Irises plus just about anything
> else that doesn't move!!!!!
>
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