At 09:08 29/07/03 -0700, you wrote: >Dear All, > >It is interesting how certain people have made an impression on many of us. >I was fortunate to work with Jack on the early issues of BULBS and was a >bit in awe of being able to correspond with someone so well known. He Mary Sue, I have a lot of plants that are "memory" associated, not all bulbs. My wife and I have plants in memory of each of our miscarriages and there are various plants around my garden that are associated with "little old ladies" <grin> in the town where I grew up (I was a gardener from a young age), all of whom have now passed on as far as I know. Those particular plants will always mean that person to me (for example a certain herbaceous Paeony will always remind me of 'Nan Hindmarsh' who died around 16 years ago). Few of these types of plants are bulbs however. I have many more recent bulbs though who will always be associated with specific people. In some cases they are the first plants I received from a given person, or they were something special that I had been searching for for a long time and received as a gift or swap from a given person. To me a swapped or gift plant always means so much more as it comes from a person rather than a nursery. Now-a-days I also have numerous plants coming from seed and the origins of the seed will always be the memory associated with them. Like you, Jack Elliot was friendly to me when I first got into the gardening lists (I had no idea who he was (other than "Jack Elliot", gardener) for quite a while after I met him on email). The first ever bulb seed I sowed was from Jack and included a number of Fritillaria species and 3 different Orthrosanthus. I am hoping that I might actually get my first flower from one of those Fritillarias this year, but definitely next year if not this year. They mean more to me now due to his illness and every time I think about them I hope he is getting better. Here's hoping he fully recovers. But illness or death aren't the only things that trigger memories for me. A couple of years ago there was a discussion on Fritillarias on the old list and Fritillarias pluriflora was mentioned. I had never even heard of pink Fritillarias before this and I queried sources etc. Some wonderful people contacted me privately and offered me seed, no charge. At the same time they sent me other seed with it and all of those seed mean those people and they always will. That was my only source to this date of Fritillaria pluriflora, recurva and Erythronium multiscapoideum 'Pulga' (or known as var Cliftonii). Those plants will always be a reminder to me of the generosity of those people who I really had only spoken to via email one or two times. They quite happily offered and sent seed overseas to me to give me a start on those varieties. I imagine you'll all hear the cheers when I eventually get any flowers <grin>. And SO many of my interesting treasures come from two friends here in Australia... one here in Canberra, and one in Tasmania. There are so many plants in my collection that I associate with them that I really couldn't chose 1 plant that was a memory of them, but more of a Genus that would be a memory would be more fitting <grin>. My Galanthus and Aroid collections respectively would be fractions of their current size without them. This is just the tip of the iceburg I have to say. Plants mean a lot to me when they are given to me by friends, acquaintances and even strangers. I think that this sort of memory epitomises the wonderfully generous nature of so many gardeners around the world. Then again, I think that half the enjoyment I GET from my gardens is associated with the joys of receiving and nurturing those plants. Hey, I'm a sentimental type and I can't help it. This has been an interesting discussion. It has been good to hear from others and know that I am not completely strange in my associations of certain plants with certain people <grin>. Cheers. Paul Tyerman Canberra, Australia. USDA equivalent - Zone 8/9 mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org Growing.... Galanthus, Erythroniums, Fritillarias, Cyclamen, Crocus, Cyrtanthus, Oxalis, Liliums, Hellebores, Aroids, Irises plus just about anything else that doesn't move!!!!!