Jamie jamievande@freenet.de
Sun, 09 Nov 2003 02:37:32 PST
Hi, All,

I would prefer to see a difference between the intrageneric and intergeneric
hybrids.  Cultivars can be a bit tricky as many so-called cultivars are
probably intrageneric hybrids.  Time will tell and they will best be at home
on the genus page listed as cultivars until we know more.  In the end, one
must be able to find the photos!  We should avoid hiding them!

How about a genus page with the cvs and a linked intrageneric hybrids page
(Alliums or Crocus would be good examples)  and for intergeneric hybrids
using the family as main heading with possible link pages for typical groups
of hybrids (Amarylliaceae with a page for Brunsvigia X Amaryllis or
Amacrinum, etc.)  I don't know how the rest of you see it, but I hate having
to scroll, scroll, scroll to get an overview of a page.  I prefer more,
smaller pages.

The obvious problem with hybrids is their fertility or lack there of.  The
Amarillids seem to be relatively fecund, while the Alliums are often
sterile.  This means we will see fewer intergeneric Alliums, as well as F2,
F3, etc hybrids.  Amaryllids could develope into a regular complex of
intergeneric hybrids and cultivars.

There will be genera under the Amaryllids which tend to be only used or most
known for their intrageneric hybrids (Clivia) and may never warrant a
heading under Amarylliaceae hybrids.  Perhaps a reference link to an
intrageneric Clivia hybrids page is the solution.

Am I getting too confusing?  It's, of course, all perfectly clear in my
head, but somethimes the steel trap closes around ones neck!

Jamie V.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mary Sue Ittner" <msittner@mcn.org>
To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [pbs] Hybrids

> Hi,
> When you talk about making a separate page for hybrids are we talking
> all hybrids or just hybrids between two genera? We after all have a number
> of genera where there are a lot of hybrids. They are first put on a wiki
> page for that genus and then as that page gets too long are separated out
> as a page just for those hybrids leaving the species on the main page.
> Current examples:
> Allium hybrids
> Alstroemeria hybrids
> Hippeastrum hybrids
> Lillium hybrids
> Narcissus hybrids
> As I think about it I believe we did Tulipa a little different. We started
> with a Tulipa page and then made a new page for Species Tulips linked to
> the main page.
> If we made a hybrid page we could also add these pages to that page, but I
> think leaving them on their genus page too makes sense as well. A wiki
> can be linked to a whole lot of other pages. Each person who makes a wiki
> page for himself links all of the pictures added to the wiki to their
> personal page (or I do it if that person forgets) for example. So they
> could easily be both places.
> Our focus has seemed to be more on species than hybrids so I suspect we
> won't have huge numbers of these and since we have avoided arranging by
> families for genera  (since this is fluid and the public and even some
> enthusiasts may not know which family to look in) I'm not sure we should
> this for hybrids. But we could do a table if we had a lot of them since
> Mark Wilcox has discovered how to do this.
> I was thinking about the intergeneric hybrids. We could list them
> separately on the home page or we could do a hybrid page there as Arnold
> suggested and add all of those listed above in table format and make a new
> page for intergeneric hybrids and start it off with the two from Lee. As
> got more of them we could decide then to divide them by families or some
> other system.
> The Amaryllis page right now has only hybrids on it.
> Then there is the question of cultivars. I'm inclined to leave cultivars
> linked to a species on the genus page. But for instance there are named
> Colchiums not linked to species so they eventually probably need to be on
> Colchicum hybrid page.
> Comments please.
> Mary Sue
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