Angelo, I made some seeds this year, procerum x pedunculatum and I selfed the pedunculatum. The cross is sprouting outdoors in full sun at the beach with minimum night temps that can go into the low 50's maybe lower I'm not sure. While the selfing, seeds taken were slightly immature, are showing no signs of taking off. Also, I received several seeds last year that sat there for 6-8 months before getting started. It's not like sowing pansies. Crinum are a lot more unpredictable. ===== John Ingram in L.A., CA. Soon to become http://www.floralarchitecture.com/ check it out soon 310.709.1613 jjingram@adelphia.net Floralartistry2000@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/floralartistry2000/