John, <<but what I really hate is the scent of lilies and hyacinths.>> Pardon? How about a hyacinth on the kitchen table on New Years day? Or how about Lilium wardii or parryi or kelloggii or rubescens or cernuum or langkongense or......? I think they smell fantastic. If you want to pick on the unfortunates of the lily world try L. pyrenaicum; a real nose-crinkler if you get too close. The strongest scent in my garden is undoubtably a Crinum yemenense from David Fenwick. I like it but some say it is too powerful. I say stand farther back. Cheers. Den Wilson Isle of Wight UK. Zone 8 (maritime) almost frost-free.