>>>>So one person's yellow is another's gold or even orange. And it is surprising how few 'true' colors there are in the garden. Hi Jim, I'm looking forward to the day when we'll get an RHS colour chart for metallic colours. Crocosmia are literally impossible to describe properly because of their chromoplasts, and Nerine sarniensis are another similar difficult group for similar reasons; their saturation and the amount of light they reflect. I look forward to the day when someone invents a colour pen that you place on the part of the flower you want to measure and it gives you an automatic RGB level. Who knows, if made in China or Taiwan it would probably be cheaper than the RHS Colour Chart. And of course another invention that would be good is computer software that would give you a scale grid that you could place over digital images, and thus to make the taking of measurements easier. We could then take our pics outside but then do all the recording much quicker, and inside in the cool or the warm, depending on the time of the year. Food for thought. Best Wishes, Dave (Plymouth) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com/). Version: 6.0.562 / Virus Database: 354 - Release Date: 16/01/04