At 09:19 PM 1/30/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Jane, you say "does not twine like 'Pink Diamond'." Pink Diamond twines? >the Pink Diamond I grow (new last year so I've only seen it above ground >once) grew like D. ida-maia, and but for color looked a lot like it. It >showed no sign of twining. Yes, it's the same plant. It does not twine as strongly as D. volubile, but the stem (at least here) will bend around anything it touches. However, D. ida-maia can also do this, so the habit does not necessarily mean there is D. volubile in the plant's pedigree. Jane McGary Northwestern Oregon, USA