Crinum Pt Claire - Hybrids

David Fenwick
Sun, 18 Jan 2004 09:38:05 PST
Hi David,

>>>>The Powellii cross strictly speaking is C. moorei x C. bulbispermum.

Actually David it's the other way round, and is C. bulbispermum x C. moorei.
C. bulbispermum is the seed parent.

>>>>>To confuse matters even more other crinum hybrids are, and I
generalize, lumped as Powellii when in fact they may be that or other

David, I'm not aware of this here in the UK, however the Dutch nursery
Krelage and Son produced a few named C. x powellii hybrids at the turn of
the 20th Century.

C. x powellii 'Haarlemense' - soft pink
C. x powellii 'Intermedium' - pale pink
C. x powellii 'Krelagei' - deep rose pink

>>>>>Note that both my pics posted today bear a little resemblence to Les
Hannibals 'White Mogul'

Funny you should say this because I looked at your second posting and
thought that it was very similar to White Mogul. The same plant flowered
here for the first time this year. It is a cross between moorei x
abyssinicum, but I've no idea how big it could eventually get.

>>>>Dave Fenwick apparently has a lovely hardy plant and maybe he has been
performing work to develop hardy crinums which he can share with the forum.

I don't think the moorei I have is hardier than anyone elses, however our
cool maritime climate and high rainfall is such that C. moorei stays
evergreen for much longer.

Regarding hardiness, I have found that many US hybrids that are based on the
commoner South African species are indeed hardy here and will take -5C and
wet soil with ease. The secret with them is to plant them deep, anywhere
from 6 - 12 inches deep. However it also depends on the size of the bulb,
eg. I planted a very large moorei bulb 2 1/2 feet deep (with a trowel).

>>>>Dash or Jim located here in Australia have been playing with Crinums a
few years (at least) longer than I so maybe if they are about they can add

They probably will and of course if they were hybridising Amaryllis and
Brunsvigia in Oz at the turn of the century, it's a sure bet they were doing
the same with Crinum too, and it's quite likely that the Krelage powellii's
were also imported at the time.
Don't ask me for better descriptions though I haven't got them, I am looking
forward to flowering 'Haarlemensis' here for the first time this year; and I
know where I can find a bulb that could possibly be 'Intermedium', I've been
after a piece for ages, I just haven't asked yet.

The weirdest C. x powellii that I have is one that was smuggled in from
Korea in 1926. This one could have come from Holland originally, but
probably via Japan after the invasion of Korea. I've actually named this one
after the person that smuggled it in. It is a deep rose and could be
'Krelagei', but until someone finds 'Krelagei' I'm at a loss.

David, I think you've a similar problem to me, and those in southern states
of the US re. identity. To be quite honest I'm not worried about naming some
of mine and primarily because they lack provenance and history, and I think
a rough idea is good enough for some. I think it's more important to enjoy
them, and especially when they're in flower.

Best Wishes,

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