Jim Waddick asked, in reference to Cardiocrinum giganteum yunnanensis, >Surely this must be available somewhere Maybe it is, right under our noses. I acquired a plant of C. giganteum last year which had a strong bronze-purple suffusion on the foliage. It was a newly imported plant from Chen Yi. The early successful introductions of this plant in England were apparently of the far western forms. The new material coming out of China is coming from who knows where. Jim McKenney jimmckenney@starpower.net Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, where my Cardiocrinum are doubtless feeling a heartfelt resentment to the heat and humidity.