Kevin and all, There are most certainly ploidy races in H. punicuem - triploids, teratploids and diploids have al been reported - possibly even higher levels that tetraploid. This could have been due to selection, as the species has been used medicinally by Amerind peoples, and probaly owes some degree of its broad distribution to human hands. Alan ----------------------------- Alan W. Meerow, Ph.D., Research Geneticist and Systematist USDA-ARS-SHRS, National Germplasm Repository 13601 Old Cutler Road, Miami, FL 33158 USA voice: (305) 254-3635 fax: (305) 969-6410 email: miaam@ars-grin.gov ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin D. Preuss" <hyline@tampabay.rr.com> To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [pbs] Hippeastrum equestere? > H. puniceum has yellow pollen (anthers). > H. striatum has white pollen. > > These more resemble H. striatum, and they are found throughout Florida as > well. I had always thought them to be H. puniceum. But aftyer seeing h. > piuniceum in the wild and growing then from ecuador, Peru and Brazil, H. > puniceum from SA is larger. The ones sent to me from the West Indes are > smaller. they grow in Puerto rico I know and those are smaller. > > Perhaps H. puniceum has a ploidy thing going on. I have a double form of H. > puniceum in bloom now. > Perhpas puniceum is still a wastebasket group (that is a place where > unidentified orange flowered taxa are thrown into). > > I have bred hybrids of puniceum x blossfeldiae and they are lovely orange > flowers w/ excellent form, but not large, 4/stalk. These would really cause > a mess (taxonomically) if I let them escape and never disclosed the parental > info. > Folks would go crazy trying to figure out the parentage. > > > Kevin Preuss > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lee Poulsen" <wpoulsen@pacbell.net> > To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:17 AM > Subject: Re: [pbs] Hippeastrum equestere? > > > > Cynthia, look at the photo I uploaded under the species name of H. > > puniceum. <http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…> I > > was told at some point in the past that H. equestre is just a synonym > > for H. puniceum. My photo didn't turn out that well, but your photo > > looks a lot like the flowers on my plants. It's the most orange-y Hipp. > > I've ever seen. I got my bulbs in Maui, Hawaii. > > > > --Lee Poulsen > > Pasadena area, California, USDA Zone 9-10 > > > > On Mar 28, 2004, at 6:11 PM, Cynthia Mueller wrote: > > > > > More on the "orange" Hippeastrum. Today I was looking at a very > > > similar > > > bloom on a Hipp. equestere from Monticello, grown by Dr. William C. > > > Welch, College Station, Tx. They are almost identical in size, color, > > > etc. but the anthers on the just-opened Monticello flowers are very > > > large and colored a dusty mauve. Are one or both of these equestere? > > > Do they have variants? Please help - Kevin or Alan - your thoughts? > > > > > > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/ > > > Hippeastrum_Orange_Mystery_cwm.jpg > > > > > > > > > Cynthia W. Mueller > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> c-mueller@tamu.edu 03/27/04 08:26PM >>> > > > My seed strain of "orange Hippeastrum" has begun to bloom. The parent > > > plant was found in the woods near Sealy (Central Texas), planted out > > > from a grandmother's garden. There are only two blooms per stalk, > > > leaves are small and rather low. This is the plant that has a > > > cream-colored "mask" at the throat. So far (several) seem true to > > > seed, > > > altho I do have other strains at work in the garden. More pics to > > > follow of them. > > > Who could tell me what this is? > > > http://ibiblio.pbs/pbswiki/files/… > > > > > > > > > > > > Cynthia W. Mueller > > > College Station, TX > > > Zone 8b-9 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > pbs mailing list > > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > _______________________________________________ > > > pbs mailing list > > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >
