Hi Mary Sue: My apologies for poor manners. As a 'lurker', I open almost all of the PBS email messages with attachments and forward an incredible number of them to horticulture staff here at Chicago Botanic Garden for their information, and hopefully, eventual addition to the permanent collections of the Garden. This is not part of my assigned duties, so I invest as little time as possible. I belong to a number of lists covering other plant groups and the American Association of Botanic Gardens and Arboreta. They are all informative, but none offer the depth of knowledge to be found on this listserve. With great appreciation, Boyce Tankersley firstname.lastname@example.org - I add pictures to the wiki all the time, but don't know whether people care if I announce it or not since when I do say something has been added it is rare if I hear from anyone about it. But I'd like to announce a few of the things I have added in the last couple of weeks.