In a message dated 9/20/2004 2:49:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, voltaire@islandnet.com writes: Monitors vary. I just have to glance around this room to see how different Very true. And setting the gamma is definitely required. But you know, even the RHS color chart, and the Pantone chips that I have been using have their liabilities. Viewed under different lighting conditions they appear different. Color management is a huge topic and there are no simple answers but at least if I were to send you H=271 S=51 and B=61, no matter where you are, with a properly set up monitor viewed under daylight, we would be able to view that color with little or no noticable differences. Mark Mazer Intarsia Ltd. Gaylordsville, Connecticut 06755-0142 USA http://www.therapyshapes.com/ USDA Zone 5 Giant Schnauzer Rescue