At 11:46 6/09/04, you wrote: >So you used no cold treatment? Directly sowed and they germinated? Steve, It is currently early spring here, so they had a natural cold treatment. <grin> I harvested them and sowed them within 24 hours from memory..... I'll have to check my records to see exactly when that was. I gave them just the same as I do for any other seed, no special treatment for them in particular. They are in a shaded area that is dedicated to my pots of seeds. I sowed my first bulb seeds in '99....... now it is totally out of hand and I generally sow a couple of hundred pots a year, which you'd realise was a BIG mistake if you saw how small my garden is and how much everything is already packed into it!! Still, not as bad as some people I heard of, although they are usually the people who have a nursery or acreage or something!! LOL OK, I just went and checked. I sowed the seed in June as this year for some reason the seed pods on the Cardiocrinum took AGES to mature. I leave them on the plant until the pod actually starts to split naturally. This happened this year in early June and I pretty much sowed the seed within the next couple of days as I mentioned above. To be honest I wasn't really expecting them to germinate until next spring as I think the other ones that I had germinate from the older seed took a full year + to germinate..... I certainly wasn't expecting just a few months, but that is definitely the case. A very good germination rate too by the look of it as the pot is pretty much packed with shoots. So if you're getting very fresh seed just go ahead and plant it (or some of it outside and try cold treatment for others etc.). Good luck!! Cheers. Paul Tyerman Canberra, Australia. USDA equivalent - Zone 8/9 Where it is raining!!!!!!!! Yeah!! We've had more rain (around 95mm) in the last 2 weeks than we've had in the last 7 months put together, and Oh Boy is it overdue. Feels like there might be hope after all. Hopefully it keeps up a bit longer yet though. You can just about hear the plants rejoicing! <grin>