Hi Gang, I have a request for help. I'm filling out the species and hybrid pages for "Crinums in East Texas: Notes from Marcelle Sheppard." As you all know the genus is confusing sometimes. Therefore, I'd like to provide information where it is relevant, especially for species that have controversies and confusion. I am unable to resolve such controversies, but would like to check the various relevant publications. Therefore, I wonder if anyone can tell me (in a nutshell) or Xerox for me an older publication. The precise publication is "Bundrandt L.A. 1984. Crinum submersum Herbert and Its Look-Alike. Herbertia 40: 97-102." I'm putting C. submersum up on the Web page and would appreciate any information regarding this enigmatic plant. Cordially, Conroe Joe (Joe Shaw, Conroe TX) Cool nights lately near freezing but a bit above, some drizzle and rain in the past week. Cloudy skies, no sun, and all the Crinum have lost their leaves except C. bulbisperumum types.