Dear Members Jane wrote that she has E. autumnalis outdoors. Well, I have what I got as autumnalis, and have had it outdoors several years in various places. In a bed where it was partially shaded, the stem got very tall, almost two feet, and flopped. Given more sun at the base of a 'Kwanzan' cherry, much more compact (1') and erect. It'll be interesting to see what it is like in a couple more years as it gets adapted to its' new home. Assuming the gophers don't get it--that is a problem right now. It hasn't received any special treatment, including a mulch beyond what the whole area gets to keep weeds down. More Eucomis seem worthy of trial here. T&M lists Eucomis hybrids in this year's catalog, but with a not very enticing description. One wonders if they are accidental hybrids, or if they simply do not have very much seed available. Ken, also some ice on rocks but bare lawn.