Kelly, the western North American lilies do not need light to germinate. Late in March of 2005 I started about a dozen lots of seed of western American lilies. The seed was from the 2005 seed exchange of the North American Lily Society. The seed was placed in a moist mix of crushed granite and pine bark in a zip lock bag. The bags were placed in the refrigerator. Most began to grow during the summer, and by autumn some had started to put up foliage. They got no light during this period except the brief bit when the refrigerator door was opened. The seeds themselves are still intact in many cases, still attached to the seedling now a year later. Jim McKenney Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7 where we had the peculiar pleasure of hearing rain overnight in January.