I'm glad to see that Dennis is keeping the Manfreda ball rolling. I have a question for those with more experience with this group. Years ago in a local planting here in the Washington, D.C. area I saw a nice thick clump of what I took to be Manfreda virginica. They were labeled Manfreda virginica. The plants were very robust, bigger than the Manfreda virginica I grow in my garden. From memory I remember the leaves being easily over a foot long and several inches wide. And there was this about the leaves: they had distinctly rippled, wavy margins. I saw the plants in mid-May. Are there especially robust forms of Manfreda virginica with leaves with wavy margins? Or was I seeing one of the TexMex species? Jim McKenney Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, where we're still in the pressure cooker.