From johnbryan@att.net Mon May 1 15:00:50 2006 Message-Id: <050120061900.24302.44565AE00008AAB200005EEE2160376223020E979D0D02080106@att.net> From: johnbryan@att.net Subject: Nerine fothergilli Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 19:00:49 +0000 Dear Jim: Nerine corusca was given to a selected form of N. sarniensis. Selections from the same species were also given such names as 'Ancilla', 'Blush Beauty', 'guyFawkes' and others as well. Unfortunatly a selection was also named 'Forthergillii Major'. Thue confusion as this has no relationship at all with N. forthergillii. N. curvifolia is a synonym of N. forthergillii. I hope this helps. Cheers, John E. Bryan -------------- Original message from "Jim McKenney" : -------------- > John Bryan commented on the nomenclature of Nerine. > > John, is Nerine fothergillii 'Major' the same as Nerine sarniensis 'Corusca > Major'? > > Jim McKenney > > Montgomery County Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, where Nerine 'Corusca Major' > is still glaucous-green but beginning to look a bit "peaked". > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php From jyourch@nc.rr.com Tue May 2 10:23:28 2006 Message-Id: From: jyourch@nc.rr.com Subject: Crinum season begins (with photos) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 10:23:27 -0400 Hi all, Crinum season has begun in North Carolina with 'Alamo Village' and 'Mrs. James Hendry' blooming now. The x powellii and x herbertii types should be along soon. On the Florida panhandle, where Alani Davis gardens, Crinum season is well under way and Alani has been busy with his camera. For you Crinum growers in colder climates, Jim Wadddick, Jim Shields, and John Lonsdale come to mind, what's the survival report? Regards, Jay Alani's shot of Hannibal's abyssinicum hybrid: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/CrinumHybrids#abyssi nicum Shots from both of us of Alamo Village: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/CrinumHybrids#AlamoV illage Alani's shots of Monterey Delight: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/CrinumHybrids#Monter eyDelight Changed out shots of Improved Peach Blow for these: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/CrinumHybrids#Improv edPeachBlow Added Alani's wide shot of powellii 'Album': http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/CrinumHybrids#powell ii Added Alani's close-up of macowanii buds: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Crinum#macowanii From jshields@indy.net Tue May 2 11:51:08 2006 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20060502112921.024d1550@pop.indy.net> From: "J.E. Shields" Subject: Crinum season begins Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 11:51:16 -0400 Hi, Surprisingly, Crinum season has also begun here in central Indiana! One plant of C. bulbispermum, planted in the ground right outside the greenhouse, is in bloom. This is at least a month earlier than I recall in the past. There are some volunteer seedlings of crinums coming up in this same bed! I never thought a Crinum could seed around in central Indiana! I have lost x-powellii in this same bed, close to one of the small greenhouses (#2, to be exact). A Zantedeschia 'Green Goddess' is surviving in the ground outdoors at the south end of greenhouse #2, and nearby is a plant of Hymenocallis liriosme, coming up after its 2nd or 3rd winter in the ground there. Survival continues to be very good for most of my crinums. I have not checked the plants I gave to the Indianapolis Zoo yet, in the center of downtown Indianapolis; but here in the outer suburbs of Indianapolis, I have not noticed any major losses. One large Crinum variabile had the center bulb die, but numerous offsets survive. One large plant of C. [bulbispermum X lugardiae] in the same outdoor bed looked bad, but I think it is surviving. The other 6 to 10 large plants of these two varieties seem to still be there and to be perfectly healthy. Numerous 2-yr old seedlings of C. variabile were lined out last summer, outdoors in the ground near GH #4, and most seem to have come back. The C. variabile and the C. [bulbispermum X lugardiae] are outside the south end of the large greenhouse (#4), ca. 10 to 15 ft. away from it. They undoubtedly get some leakage of heat from GH #4 in the winter. However, this last autumn, we did not add any extra mulch to the thin layer we had down for weed control. I'm planning to try Crinum plantings farther away from buildings this summer, if we get the time. We'll try a couple hybrids of bulbispermum and some seedlings of C. bulbispermum. I had three bulbs from about 20 seedlings of [bulbispermum X macowanii] that survived outdoors in the ground. The three survivors were transferred to 5-gal. pots and will be used for breeding. I may risk a couple large seedlings of a macowanii X macowanii cross there. I have 2-yr old [bulbispermum X graminicola] to try, too -- if we get the time. Best regards, Jim Shields in central Indiana (USA) At 10:23 AM 5/2/2006 -0400, you wrote: >Crinum season has begun in North Carolina with 'Alamo Village' >and 'Mrs. James Hendry' blooming now. The x powellii and >x herbertii types should be along soon. >........... ************************************************* Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 Shields Gardens, Ltd. P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Tel. ++1-317-867-3344 or toll-free 1-866-449-3344 in USA From jshields104@insightbb.com Tue May 2 12:52:33 2006 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20060502124030.025f3f50@mail.insightbb.com> From: "J.E. Shields" Subject: What Else is Blooming.... Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 12:52:23 -0400 Hi all, I just took a stroll around the back. One clump of Iris missouriensis is in bloom, but two other clumps are not even showing any obvious buds yet. In the woods, Iris cristata is in bloom, and in the sunny rock garden, a purple clump and another clump of yellowish Iris suaveolens are in bloom. I had to move most of my Iris versicolor this spring, so I don't know whether we'll see flowers from those plants or not. A few clumps of Ipheion 'Charlotte Bishop' are still in bloom. So far they are not weedy here. Arisaema triphyllum and an A. ringens are in bloom in the woods. Trillium are also in bloom there, TT. grandiflorum, recurvatum, flexipes, sessile, luteum, and cuneatum. The tall bearded irises are showing lots of scapes but no colors yet. A Camassia is shooting up scapes under a walnut tree. Regards, Jim Shields in central Indiana (USA) ************************************************* Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 Shields Gardens, Ltd. P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Tel. ++1-317-867-3344 or toll-free 1-866-449-3344 in USA From Theladygardens@aol.com Tue May 2 19:09:11 2006 Message-Id: <314.3d824b2.31894090@aol.com> From: Theladygardens@aol.com Subject: What Else is Blooming.... Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 19:09:04 EDT I have hundreds of Tall Bearded Iris in bloom with more that have not shown buds yet. This is the latest bloom season yet! Most of the Pacific coast Iris are done but not all. I have Iris virginica, Evansia and gracilipes blooming. The first Louisiana Iris are blooming and first Spuria is opening today. I have been checking it hourly. No signs of the Japanese or Siberian blooms yet. I have some early narcissus pheasant's eye blooming. I have oriental poppies in bloom, some gorgeous water lilies and ixia. The Sparaxis, Scilla, most daffodils and tulips are finished. There is more but that is what I can think of now. If any of you are in the area, the garden is open for visitors Sat thru Sun 11 - 4 until May 21. Carolyn Los Gatos, CA From msittner@mcn.org Wed May 3 10:12:54 2006 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20060503064646.03442140@mail.mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Iris Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 07:11:29 -0700 Susan and I continue to work on our wiki Iris pages as we have time. We have been splitting them up and making separate pages for the different groups but keeping a link to where they can be found on the main page. All of this is very time consuming. So far we have: Belamcanda Beardless Irises Crested Irises http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/CrestedIrises Hermodactylus Juno Irises Pacific Coast Irises Reticulata Irises and of course the main Iris page http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Iris We are trying not to use the names Mathew used to describe some of these groups to name the pages even though we use those names in the page description as we have tried to keep our wiki something that all groups can find useful. I haven't figured out what to do with the Bearded Irises which could potentially be a large group. Bearded Aril Irises and Bearded Non Aril Irises seem like complicated names for a wiki page. I know there are a lot of Iris fans in the group so perhaps you can help me with suggestions. I recently received my NARGS bulletin and there are a number of bulb related articles this month including one by Jane about a trip she took to see the spring flowering bulbs in Crete and an autumn visit to Crete written by someone else. There is the promised article about Iris cristata too. This seemed timely to me as we have just added some of John Lonsdale's "crested iris" pictures to the new wiki Crested Iris page. I have a question I hope to have an answer for. When we are adding cultivars to the wiki I wish there was a way to verify the names. John grows something he refers to as Iris cristata 'White Angel' and I find a 'Eco White Angel' when I search the net. Are there two different cultivars with two similar names? Also which is the correct name: Iris cristata Shenandoah Skies or Iris cristata Shenandoah Sky? John and Jane have used the first name, but most of the references I found spell it the second way. When people name these is there some place they get registered or are people just calling them what they like? Help from those of you who know more with all these questions would be appreciated. Thanks. Even though it may be hard to decide what to do with the Bearded Irises I'd love to have more choices to consider. Mary Sue From john@johnlonsdale.net Wed May 3 11:33:03 2006 Message-Id: From: "John Lonsdale" Subject: Iris Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 11:33:08 -0400 Mary Sue, Regarding the Iris cristata cultivar names - I tend to use what is attached to the plant when I receive it, unless it is clearly wrong. However that obviously doesn't validate the name I have and use. I suspect that White Angel probably should be Eco White Angel and have no reason to think Shenandoah Skies is not correct - none of which is definitive. Regarding your organization of the bearded irises, and by extension, other irises, are you drawing the line for inclusion on the wiki anywhere in particular or are all irises fair game/of interest to this audience? I have just had a wonderful flowering of all three section Chinenses irises I grow (odesaensis, koreana and especially henryi). Seed set on the latter is particularly exciting. Also flowering is Iris imbricata, from two recent collections in Iran and S Armenia - this is another glorious bearded species. Thanks and all the best, John John T Lonsdale PhD 407 Edgewood Drive, Exton, Pennsylvania 19341, USA Home: 610 594 9232 Cell: 484 678 9856 Fax: 801 327 1266 Visit "Edgewood" - The Lonsdale Garden at http://www.edgewoodgardens.net USDA Zone 6b From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Wed May 3 12:21:21 2006 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: Iris Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 11:21:14 -0500 Dear Mary Sue and all; This must be quick. 1) Recently published was a change of Genus for Belamcanda and Pardanthopsis. The latter has been variously called Pardanthopsis dichotoma or Iris dichotoma, the Vesper iris, and is the sole member of the genus. It is a parent along with Belamcanda chinensis of the Candy lilies x Pardancanda. Recent taxonomic genetic work has confirmed both as members of the genus Iris. Pardanthopsis easily reverts to Iris dichotoma. Belamcanda is fraught with problems of priority and established names so must revert to the oldest available name and is now known as Iris domestica (this may take some getting used to). 2) Iris species cultivar names are all explained in an excellent publication by SIGNA called 'Alphabetical cutlivar list of species, their variations and hybrids." The cultivar 'White Angel' is registered as a cultivar of Iris douglasiana, so may not be used with Iris cristata. There is an unregistered "Eco White Angel" for an Iris cristata , but this is not a valid, registered name. "Shenandoah Sky" is an unregistered name for a form of Iris cristata. There is no "Shenandoah Skies'. Registered cultivar names are always written with single quotation marks. Mary Sue, if you have questions about names, I'd be glad to refer to the cultivar list and verify names for you. Best Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + From j.grimshaw@virgin.net Wed May 3 12:37:31 2006 Message-Id: <001101c66ecf$dc278160$861f1452@John> From: "John Grimshaw" Subject: Iris Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 17:37:24 +0100 Jim Waddick wrote: The cultivar 'White Angel' is registered as a cultivar of > Iris douglasiana, so may not be used with Iris cristata. > There is an unregistered "Eco White Angel" for an Iris > cristata , but this is not a valid, registered name. Registration is not necessary for a name to be valid, so long as it has been published properly, i.e. named with a description in a dated, printed publication circulated to the public. It is of course desirable for a name to be registered with a registration authority in genera where these exist, but it is not mandatory! For example, the registrar for Galanthus cultivars is the Dutch Bulb Growers Association (KAVB), but only a tiny number of names have been registered. John Grimshaw Dr John M. Grimshaw Garden Manager, Colesbourne Gardens Sycamore Cottage Colesbourne Nr Cheltenham Gloucestershire GL53 9NP From janemcgary@earthlink.net Wed May 3 14:01:24 2006 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060503105424.00c40d70@mail.earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: Parker Sanderson Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 11:01:39 -0700 Many of you, especially in California, probably knew Parker Sanderson, who worked at UC Davis before moving to Portland and co-founding Cistus Design Nursery with his longtime partner, Sean Hogan. Parker died ten days ago after a long struggle with melanoma and complications of diabetes. A memorial gathering is planned for May 20; details can be found on the nursery's website, www.cistus.com. For those who wish to write to Sean, his mailing address is 2827 NE 11th Avenue, Portland, Oregon 97212-3215. It's very sad for everyone who knew Parker, a brilliant plantsman whose wry viewpoint always enlivened conversations. Despite lifelong health problems, he explored remote places and worked strenuously and with great dedication. Jane McGary From ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com Wed May 3 15:04:18 2006 Message-Id: From: "Alberto Castillo" Subject: Parker Sanderson Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 19:04:14 +0000 Dear Jane: What sad, sad news. He was such a brilliant man. I was privileged to know him and share great moments. Thanks for let us know Alberto >From: Jane McGary >Reply-To: Pacific Bulb Society >To: Pacific Bulb Society >Subject: [pbs] Parker Sanderson >Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 11:01:39 -0700 > >Many of you, especially in California, probably knew Parker Sanderson, who >worked at UC Davis before moving to Portland and co-founding Cistus Design >Nursery with his longtime partner, Sean Hogan. Parker died ten days ago >after a long struggle with melanoma and complications of diabetes. A >memorial gathering is planned for May 20; details can be found on the >nursery's website, www.cistus.com. For those who wish to write to Sean, his >mailing address is 2827 NE 11th Avenue, Portland, Oregon 97212-3215. > >It's very sad for everyone who knew Parker, a brilliant plantsman whose wry >viewpoint always enlivened conversations. Despite lifelong health problems, >he explored remote places and worked strenuously and with great dedication. > >Jane McGary > > >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php _________________________________________________________________ Sé uno de los primeros a testar el Windows Live Messenger beta. http://imagine-msn.com/minisites/messenger/default.aspx?locale=es-ar From msittner@mcn.org Wed May 3 15:15:51 2006 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20060503120238.03787658@mail.mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Parker Sanderson Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 12:15:36 -0700 Dear Jane, Thanks for sharing this with everyone. My husband and I went on a botany trip to Australia sponsored by UC Santa Cruz a number of years ago when Sean and Parker were still living in the Bay Area. Parker was along and added so much to the trip with his humor, high energy, and enthusiasm. He was to be found hanging from trees, prone on the ground, whatever it took to get "the picture". A young man at the time, he had already been so many places, often figuring out a way to get his trip paid for by someone else by writing a paper afterwards. He is an important part of my memory of that trip and the memories of him always generated a smile. It's very sad to think that he has died at such a young age. He was so full of life and so enthusiastic about plants. Mary Sue From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Thu May 4 14:01:03 2006 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: Crinum season begins (with photos) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 08:43:30 -0500 >For you Crinum growers in colder climates, Jim Wadddick, >Jim Shields, and John Lonsdale come to mind, what's the >survival report? Dear Jay and all; Jim S wrote: "I'm planning to try Crinum plantings farther away from buildings this summer, " I guess I have a year's jump on this trial. I planted 3 clumps (4-5 bulbs each) of C x powellii out in 'the lawn' last year. None are close to protection. The farthest is around 150 ft from the house. All were covered in a 12 in pile of leaves for winter. After digging out of leaves, they have all survived even a small pup about pencil diameter. Most are blooming size. I am hoping these groups of bulbs will form immense clumps with foliage in all directions and unencumbered bloom scapes. Meanwhile my closer in and partially protected crinums all survived too. The C. bulbispermum show first spikes just at ground level. None others show signs of flowers yet. We are in our April showers (a bit late) with 4 or 5 days and around 3 inches of rain so everything will change when the weather warms again. Bulbs continue here with a few 'Stars' - the Aril and aril-bred irises are dazzling, late scilla ( campanulata or whatever they are called now) in pink, white a blue),and lilies are pushing up daily. The real show is provided by Robinia p. 'Purple Robe'- the purple flowered form of Black Locust. This looks like what a tree Wisteria should look. And peonies galore in a great range of colors and sizes. After the dullness of winter it is grand to see all shade of green too. I really hate to leave, but Tibet calls and I'll be back in around 3 weeks to see the next round of bloom. Best Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + From msittner@mcn.org Thu May 4 10:35:33 2006 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20060504065419.037abc28@mail.mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Iris Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 07:35:15 -0700 Dear John, Jim, and John, Thanks for the responses to my questions. I think all irises are fair game and of interest to this audience. It's just taking us a long time to get them added to the wiki. Jim (Waddick), we made a note about the changed name to Iris domestica on the Belamcanda page when you told us about it whenever that was. I am always so appreciative when people announce the information about the changes to our group and if I'm not too busy at the time make the changes on the wiki. I'm not sure we are always consistent on the wiki about these changes. Sometimes we just make a note on the old page and reference that page from the new name so we don't have to repeat everything and make the original page too long. This is the quickest way for us. When Jim McKenney added a picture of Iris dichotoma, he named it that and explained it was sometimes included in Pardanthopsis and since we just had the one picture it didn't seem to be a high priority to make a page for Pardanthopsis with the information that it was now included in Iris. But we could do that I suppose. We had a private complaint from someone that our wiki was not always consistent, but Susan and I put hours in on it making changes and have decided that it will never be entirely consistent because it is a wiki and wikis are by nature group efforts and will reflect individual creativity. And we do want to have time to be in our gardens and have lives too. Now I am confused about what to do with cultivar names. We have been using single quotation marks around names that appear to be cultivars. From Jim's post it sounds like unless they are registered they should be listed with " instead of ' around the names. This makes my head spin. Since we have no way of figuring out which names are registered for all the cultivars listed on the wiki I think in this case we are going to have to be consistent and just list them all the same. But I am very happy to have Jim's help in figuring out the correct cultivar names for the Iris selections and will write him privately when I have a question about them. I probably should figure out a way to obtain that list too. I had a suggestion to use the botanical sections for dividing Iris and then to describe them, but I think except for the Iris experts in our group, doing this would make those Iris section pages more technical than most people would find useful and even more important, I've already started using the more familiar names and am not going to create new wiki pages and take off the old (eg. change Reticulated Irises to Hermodactyloides). Describing how they are different and referring to the botanical names for the subgenus and the sections on the wiki pages I have already created I agree is a good idea. I'm still looking for a good way to break up the subgenus Iris (Bearded Irises). Mary Sue 5/3/2006 -0400, you wrote: >Mary Sue, > >Regarding the Iris cristata cultivar names - I tend to use >what is attached to the plant when I receive it, unless it >is clearly wrong. However that obviously doesn't validate >the name I have and use. I suspect that White Angel >probably should be Eco White Angel and have no reason to >think Shenandoah Skies is not correct - none of which is >definitive. Regarding your organization of the bearded >irises, and by extension, other irises, are you drawing >the line for inclusion on the wiki anywhere in particular >or are all irises fair game/of interest to this audience? > >I have just had a wonderful flowering of all three section >Chinenses irises I grow (odesaensis, koreana and >especially henryi). Seed set on the latter is >particularly exciting. Also flowering is Iris imbricata, >from two recent collections in Iran and S Armenia - this >is another glorious bearded species. > >Thanks and all the best, > >John > >John T Lonsdale PhD >407 Edgewood Drive, >Exton, Pennsylvania 19341, USA > >Home: 610 594 9232 >Cell: 484 678 9856 >Fax: 801 327 1266 > >Visit "Edgewood" - The Lonsdale Garden at >http://www.edgewoodgardens.net > >USDA Zone 6b >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php From msittner@mcn.org Fri May 5 10:32:06 2006 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20060505063051.0360e3d8@mail.mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: What Else is Blooming.... Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 07:31:10 -0700 Hi all, Here in Northern California it finally stopped raining. It's looking like this may be it until next fall. When I am out hiking or even driving there are so many hillsides that are naked from the slides and you pass sections of the road where there was room for the highway department to deposit all the soil that came down onto the road that are piled high with dirt. After some much welcome sunshine we are now into our coastal pattern of morning fog. I was amused to see the weather channel on television describe San Francisco as one of the sunniest cities in the United States. I would have loved to know how they measured this. Perhaps it was days with sunshine? So if even a few minutes in a day the sun is out, it counts? A lot of my bulbs from South Africa did not appreciate the excessive continuous rain we had this year, but now that it has stopped my garden is a blaze of color as those late blooming species are putting on a show and my native bulbs are starting. This is the time of year that I have masses of Homerias, Ixias, Babianas, and also some Tritonias in bloom. I keep digging out Babianas to share and you can't tell it from looking at any of those spots where there are hundreds of flowers and solid color. A couple of years ago I dug Babianas and cleaned them off and sent them to the BX. They were not all claimed and Dell had them left over for the sale. I'm not sure why they were so unpopular, but it makes me reluctant to sort any I divide again since it was so much work. I guess they just don't grow for many of you in different climates. Some of the later blooming species/hybrids do so well in the ground here. I have some that are planted next to Camissonia ovata (which I have been tempted to add to a wiki page since it behaves like a geophyte dying back in our dry summer). It is a short plant with bright yellow flowers so looks really pretty with the purple Babianas. Moraea bellendenii must have liked all that rain because it is blooming everywhere this year. Some years I hardly see it. And even Scilla peruviana (Oncostema peruviana) has been blooming. It often skips a year or two here too even with a dry period in summer. I have some orange Homerias growing alongside a Felicia that I grew from seed and the orange and purple combination is also very pleasing. My Iris douglasiana is blooming all over my garden and some of the Pacific Coast hybrids are blooming too and some Sparaxis. Where all these things come together in one spot it is quite inspiring even if a bit wild. I tried for a couple of years to dig out all the Sparaxis I could find after learning some of them were virused, but it seems like a lost cause as they keep coming back. I have some amazing colorful hybrids. And there are a few of the late blooming Lachenalias that have pretty flowers although their leaves are a bit weather stressed. Some of the later Gladiolus species are spiking and Watsonias are blooming too. I have some planted next to one of my South African Ericas that is blooming at the moment and the combination is very appealing. Jane's Anemone palmata is still blooming. What a treasure. My Delphiniums have been blooming for months. I have found a number that return planted in the ground, but some only survive in containers. The snails, slugs, and birds decimate some of the species, but other species survive. So far D. nudicaule, D. luteum, D. hesperium, D. hansenii, and D. patens are returning in the ground. I put a large pot of Erythronium californicum in another pot in the ground and it has been gorgeous this year. The wild populations were a site to behold. My Calochortus are looking a bit sad although the C. uniflorus have had a good run and finally starting late C. umbellatus as well. I have spikes on some of the Mariposas, but they definitely did not respond well to months of almost daily rain. I think I should just give up on most of those species from dry climates. On the other hand my Dichelostemma capitatum is much better than usual and D. multiflorum is just starting and D. ida-maia has a lot of buds. D. volubile that I grew from seed years ago and also got from the BX has never bloomed so there must be something about my conditions it doesn't like. I have a lot of Triteleias in bloom and they were unfazed by our weather. (T. ixioides, T. bridgesii, T. laxa, T. montana, T. lilacina, T. dudleyi). There is one population of T. laxa from Ron Ratko seed that I am wondering if it could be a hybrid with T. bridgesii. The stamens are attached at two levels, but the flowers have a translucent shiny throat. I had to recheck my key and it doesn't quite fit either one. The Brodiaeas are budding. Allium hyalinum has been blooming since December, but most of my other native Alliums are just starting. I'm sure there's more I have forgotten, but these are the ones that spring to mind. With flowering shrubs in bloom too, progress in the garden is slow. I just want to take it all in and also take more photographs even if I already have some from previous years. Mary Sue From DaveKarn@aol.com Fri May 5 11:25:26 2006 Message-Id: <403.10dbd7e.318cc862@aol.com> From: DaveKarn@aol.com Subject: What Else is Blooming.... Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 11:25:22 EDT In a message dated 5/5/2006 7:32:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, msittner@mcn.org writes: I put a large pot of Erythronium californicum in another pot in the ground and it has been gorgeous this year. The wild populations were a site to behold. Hi Mary Sue ~ When next you dump and divide, could I trade you something for a few pieces? I have the 'White Beauty' form that I got several years ago from Telos, along with a number of other clones. I'd love to see this in the wild some time! I once saw a wild growth of oregonum and was amazed at the variation. Dave Karnstedt From jimmckenney@starpower.net Fri May 5 12:26:18 2006 Message-Id: <000401c67060$a33fda40$80022c42@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: What Else is Blooming.... Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 12:26:17 -0400 Here's where we are in Maryland, USA: Evansia irises (I. cristata, I. gracilipes, I. tectorum) in general are blooming. I. verna is over. Does anyone know when Iris minutoaurea should bloom? There is a nice clump in the garden, but I don't see buds. Iris graminea is blooming in a nearby garden, but still in bud here. Iris pseudacorus is in advanced bud. Regeliocyclus hybrid 'Dardanus' is blooming freely. Garden tall bearded iris are just beginning to open. Dutch iris 'Eye of the Tiger' and 'Bronze Queen' are opening. Single late tulip 'Black Diamond' is blooming next to Papaver atlanticum today: what a wonderful color combination! Also in bloom: the sweetly scented old parrot tulip 'Orange Favorite'. Calochortus unflorus 'Cupido' is nearing its end, as is C. tolmiei. C. 'Symphony' may open today; others (venustus, superbus, Golden Orb, others) are coming into bud rapidly. Muscari in general are over, but M. comosum and its variant 'plumosum' are just hitting their stride. Muscari argaei album in not quite yet in bloom. The big floral ball Allium are beginning to bloom in mumbers and variety: elatum, rosenbachianum (or whatever), cristophii, nevskianum, Globemaster, Round n Purple, Glory of Pamir, Gladiator, Mars...some of these (and there are others not named here) look an awful lot alike! Later blooming sorts such as A. caeruleum and A. sphaerocephalum are just putting up budded scapes. A. zebdanense is just about over for the year, as is A. paradoxum. Dichelostemma volubile and Brodiaea terrestris are in bloom. Dichelostemma volubile snaked itself up about a yard into some nearby plants. The inflorescence of Brodiaea terrestris sits right on the ground. Bloomera crocea is producing an inflorescence. Hybrid herbaceous peonies and early lactiflora cultivars are opening. Japanese suffruticosa peonies are about over, some lutea hybrids are still on the way although 'Thunderbolt' (presumably a delavayi hybrid) is in full bloom. Some garden lilies show buds already and some of the big ones are already four and five feet high! Lilium hansonii will probably be the first lily to bloom this year. Fritillaria in general are over, although a few blooms of F. biflora 'grayana' and F. acmopetala hang on. Erythronium are over for the year, but various Trillium continue. Ornithogalum umbellatum is in full bloom, O. magnum is putting up an inflorescence the size of a fat culinary asparagus. This is a great plant. An Ornithogalum which seems to be intermediate between O. umbellatum and O. nutans appeared in the lawn this year. It is shorter than the other two, and bloomed earlier. The flowers looked like those of O. nutans but were out-facing or upright. Does this sound familiar to anyone? More than likely, it came with some (presumably wild collected) snowdrops years ago. Hyacinthoides hispanica is in full bloom. Camassia leichtlinii is over. Crinum are well up (into the three foot range) , but I don't see flower buds. Deciduous trees are rapidly leafing out; the next week or so will see a great change in the light level in areas under trees. I see the first water lily flower buds! Jim McKenney Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, where it's still very dry and things are going quickly. Wood thrushes and parula warblers sing continually now, and hummingbirds visit the honeysuckles and columbines. The gardener is in a state of besotted enchantment and doesn't get anything done. From john@johnlonsdale.net Fri May 5 13:03:06 2006 Message-Id: From: "John Lonsdale" Subject: Iris minutoaurea Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 13:03:11 -0400 On Fri, 5 May 2006 12:26:17 -0400 "Jim McKenney" wrote: > Does anyone know when Iris minutoaurea should bloom? >There is a nice clump > in the garden, but I don't see buds. > Jim, If I. minutoaurea hasn't flowered yet then it won't this year (unless it just emerged from a late-melting snowbank). Mine all finished about 2 weeks ago. It is unfortunately shy-flowering, a couple of flowers being normal. I divided mine two years ago and one relocation had 14 flowers on a clump only 4-5" across. I have no idea why, or whether it will repeat, but it looked great! We are also far too dry but the weather has suited seed-setting on many plants that I don't normally get much or any seed on. Just about every erythronium is in seed, which is quite unusual. Best, John John T Lonsdale PhD 407 Edgewood Drive, Exton, Pennsylvania 19341, USA Home: 610 594 9232 Cell: 484 678 9856 Fax: 801 327 1266 Visit "Edgewood" - The Lonsdale Garden at http://www.edgewoodgardens.net USDA Zone 6b From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Fri May 5 14:15:15 2006 Message-Id: <4d38b6c90cc1e7df08b8dac54f80b7fd@pacbell.net> From: Lee Poulsen Subject: What Else is Blooming.... Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 11:15:13 -0700 On May 5, 2006, at 7:31 AM, Mary Sue Ittner wrote: > My > Delphiniums have been blooming for months. I have found a number that > return planted in the ground, but some only survive in containers. The > snails, slugs, and birds decimate some of the species, but other > species > survive. So far D. nudicaule, D. luteum, D. hesperium, D. hansenii, > and D. > patens are returning in the ground. I am now getting blooms on all these species from the seeds Mary Sue sent out a year or two ago. And I'm wondering why she was so reticent to think of them as geophytes and tell us about them. They are wonderful; and so colorful. I had no idea they came in such a spectrum of vivid colors: yellow, orange, scarlet, purple, true blue. My Aquilegias are blooming at about the same time and happened to be in the same general area. There is a vague resemblance in the flowers (as well as in the plant style and shape), so it looks like I have all these flowers in all colors of the spectrum dancing about like butterflies in that part of my garden. Thanks Mary Sue. --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USDA Zone 10a From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sat May 6 12:07:46 2006 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060505171240.00c47008@mail.earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: What Else is Blooming.... Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 17:15:50 -0700 Regarding the geophytic delphiniums mentioned by Mary Sue and Lee, I was surprised to find that Delphinium luteum, one of those mentioned, can survive outdoors here in northwestern Oregon in a rather nasty winter, at least as young plants. I have this delphinium in my bulb frame, where it seeds about in spite of all my efforts to collect the seed (it is endangered in the wild). Last year I used a lot of discarded potting soil in a rebuilt portion of my rock garden, and many seedlings of this came up in it and grew through a winter that featured 17 F low temperatures without snow cover and an abnormally high rainfall, even for here. One plant, which I must have transferred as a substantial dormant root, is even flowering. Jane McGary From angelasgarden@bigpond.com Sat May 6 02:52:43 2006 Message-Id: <003301c670d8$815adba0$8b758b90@com> From: "Angela and Dean Offer" Subject: What Else is Blooming.... Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 14:44:20 +0800 Hello Mary Sue, It sounds like your climate is very similar to mine! (except I'm in the southern hemisphere) do you get snow/frost?. I don't (maybe 1 frost a year). But in Albany it is always drizzly rain. But sunny today, sometimes misty in winter - we are heading into winter now. I have some seeds of hosta ventricosa and mirabilis jalapa ( marvel of peru) to give away. I will send via PBS, if ok to send to the USA, also some bulbs of hippeastrum. Watsonias are a noxious weed here! Angela Albany in Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Sue Ittner" To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [pbs] What Else is Blooming.... > Hi all, > > Here in Northern California it finally stopped raining. It's looking like > this may be it until next fall. When I am out hiking or even driving there > are so many hillsides that are naked from the slides and you pass sections > of the road where there was room for the highway department to deposit all > the soil that came down onto the road that are piled high with dirt. After > some much welcome sunshine we are now into our coastal pattern of morning > fog. I was amused to see the weather channel on television describe San > Francisco as one of the sunniest cities in the United States. I would have > loved to know how they measured this. Perhaps it was days with sunshine? So > if even a few minutes in a day the sun is out, it counts? > > A lot of my bulbs from South Africa did not appreciate the excessive > continuous rain we had this year, but now that it has stopped my garden is > a blaze of color as those late blooming species are putting on a show and > my native bulbs are starting. This is the time of year that I have masses > of Homerias, Ixias, Babianas, and also some Tritonias in bloom. I keep > digging out Babianas to share and you can't tell it from looking at any of > those spots where there are hundreds of flowers and solid color. A couple > of years ago I dug Babianas and cleaned them off and sent them to the BX. > They were not all claimed and Dell had them left over for the sale. I'm not > sure why they were so unpopular, but it makes me reluctant to sort any I > divide again since it was so much work. I guess they just don't grow for > many of you in different climates. Some of the later blooming > species/hybrids do so well in the ground here. I have some that are planted > next to Camissonia ovata (which I have been tempted to add to a wiki page > since it behaves like a geophyte dying back in our dry summer). It is a > short plant with bright yellow flowers so looks really pretty with the > purple Babianas. Moraea bellendenii must have liked all that rain because > it is blooming everywhere this year. Some years I hardly see it. And even > Scilla peruviana (Oncostema peruviana) has been blooming. It often skips a > year or two here too even with a dry period in summer. I have some orange > Homerias growing alongside a Felicia that I grew from seed and the orange > and purple combination is also very pleasing. My Iris douglasiana is > blooming all over my garden and some of the Pacific Coast hybrids are > blooming too and some Sparaxis. Where all these things come together in one > spot it is quite inspiring even if a bit wild. I tried for a couple of > years to dig out all the Sparaxis I could find after learning some of them > were virused, but it seems like a lost cause as they keep coming back. I > have some amazing colorful hybrids. And there are a few of the late > blooming Lachenalias that have pretty flowers although their leaves are a > bit weather stressed. Some of the later Gladiolus species are spiking and > Watsonias are blooming too. I have some planted next to one of my South > African Ericas that is blooming at the moment and the combination is very > appealing. Jane's Anemone palmata is still blooming. What a treasure. My > Delphiniums have been blooming for months. I have found a number that > return planted in the ground, but some only survive in containers. The > snails, slugs, and birds decimate some of the species, but other species > survive. So far D. nudicaule, D. luteum, D. hesperium, D. hansenii, and D. > patens are returning in the ground. > > I put a large pot of Erythronium californicum in another pot in the ground > and it has been gorgeous this year. The wild populations were a site to > behold. > > My Calochortus are looking a bit sad although the C. uniflorus have had a > good run and finally starting late C. umbellatus as well. I have spikes on > some of the Mariposas, but they definitely did not respond well to months > of almost daily rain. I think I should just give up on most of those > species from dry climates. On the other hand my Dichelostemma capitatum is > much better than usual and D. multiflorum is just starting and D. ida-maia > has a lot of buds. D. volubile that I grew from seed years ago and also got > from the BX has never bloomed so there must be something about my > conditions it doesn't like. I have a lot of Triteleias in bloom and they > were unfazed by our weather. (T. ixioides, T. bridgesii, T. laxa, T. > montana, T. lilacina, T. dudleyi). There is one population of T. laxa from > Ron Ratko seed that I am wondering if it could be a hybrid with T. > bridgesii. The stamens are attached at two levels, but the flowers have a > translucent shiny throat. I had to recheck my key and it doesn't quite fit > either one. The Brodiaeas are budding. Allium hyalinum has been blooming > since December, but most of my other native Alliums are just starting. I'm > sure there's more I have forgotten, but these are the ones that spring to > mind. > > With flowering shrubs in bloom too, progress in the garden is slow. I just > want to take it all in and also take more photographs even if I already > have some from previous years. > > Mary Sue > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sat May 6 12:16:13 2006 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060506091122.00c3cdb8@mail.earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: Seed importation (was What's blooming now) Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 09:16:30 -0700 Angela in Australia wrote: >I have some seeds of hosta ventricosa >and mirabilis jalapa ( marvel of peru) >to give away. I will send via PBS, if ok to send to the USA, also some >bulbs of hippeastrum. As of May 15 new regulations regarding importation of small lots of seed will go into effect in the USA. Joyce Fingerut of NARGS, who has been instrumental in getting these new regulations through the bureaucracy, has written a detailed article on the subject for the summer 2006 issue of the Rock Garden Quarterly. I (editor of that journal) can send a copy privately (NOT FOR REPRODUCTION) before the issue appears to foreign seed donors who need it. The gist, however, is that the IMPORTER (e.g., Dell Sherk of the PBS exchange) needs to get a permit to import "small lots of seed," and will also receive a supply of labels which have to be sent to the sender for pasting on the parcel. The parcel must contain an alphabetized list of the contents. Presently the USA does not have a "white list" as Australia does; the list is used to identify "black list" items, such as the whole genus Lathyrus. Jane McGary Editor, NARGS From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Sat May 6 12:45:01 2006 Message-Id: From: Lee Poulsen Subject: Seed importation (was What's blooming now) Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 09:44:58 -0700 Yay! And when is this issue scheduled to be sent out (for those of us not foreign seed donors)? I went to the APHIS/PPQ website earlier this week to see if they had any information there yet. After searching all over I've concluded that they hadn't updated the website with information or forms for this yet, although I did see an unlinked link about it on one of the pages. (I also tried to sign up for the electronic submission of forms and the final step requires one to show up in person at a USDA office that accepts this kind of verification with government ID in hand. Unfortunately, the two listed for people living in Los Angeles County are far away from the metropolitan area. And they have to be visited during weekday business hours, making this a really bothersome, if not somewhat difficult, step to accomplish for the likes of me.) --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA, USDA Zone 10a On May 6, 2006, at 9:16 AM, Jane McGary wrote: > Joyce Fingerut of NARGS, who has been > instrumental in getting these new regulations through the > bureaucracy, has > written a detailed article on the subject for the summer 2006 issue > of the > Rock Garden Quarterly. I (editor of that journal) can send a copy > privately > (NOT FOR REPRODUCTION) before the issue appears to foreign seed > donors who > need it. From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Sat May 6 13:04:33 2006 Message-Id: <96B725FC-A31F-41AE-9CED-79ECC2295F2F@pacbell.net> From: Lee Poulsen Subject: Iris Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 10:04:26 -0700 On this topic, those in the U.S. who live near a Costco might be interested to hear that last night when we were there I found copies of a Timber Press book published last year entitled _Irises: A Gardener's Encyclopedia_ by Claire Austin for only $29.95 (instead of the list prices of $49.95 or £35.00). It even has a forward by some guy named James W. Waddick of Kansas City, Missouri. The flap says it contains 1100 color photographs, and the book is divided into sections of Bearded, Beardless, and Bulbous Irises and further divided into chapters kind of like the categories Mary Sue has listed: Bearded Irises (of various heights, etc.) Aril Arilbred Siberian Laevigata Japanese Louisiana Pacific Coast Spuria Other Beardless Species (including Crested) Interspecies Hybrids Reticulata Dutch, Spanish, and English Junos I haven't had a chance to look through it all yet, but so far it looks good. --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA, USDA Zone 10a On May 3, 2006, at 7:11 AM, Mary Sue Ittner wrote: > Susan and I continue to work on our wiki Iris pages as we have > time. We > have been splitting them up and making separate pages for the > different > groups but keeping a link to where they can be found on the main > page. All > of this is very time consuming. So far we have: > Belamcanda Belamcanda> > Beardless Irises > > Crested Irises > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/CrestedIrises > Hermodactylus > > Juno Irises JunoIrises> > Pacific Coast Irises > PacificCoastIrises> > Reticulata Irises > > and of course the main Iris page > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Iris > From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sat May 6 13:56:07 2006 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060506105402.00c337a8@mail.earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: Seed importation (was What's blooming now) Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 10:55:53 -0700 Lee asked >Yay! And when is this issue [of the Rock Garden Quarterly] scheduled to be >sent out (for those of us >not foreign seed donors)? It is mailed July 15. It includes all the website information, but here is the part you need most: The application will be available online at : http://www.aphis.usda.gov/ppq/permits/plantproducts/nursery.html ...or from: Carolyn Fitzgerald USDA-APHIS-PPQ Permit Unit 4700 River Road Riverdale, MD 20737-1236 Phone: 1-877-770-5990 Fax: 301-734-5786, E-mail: Permits@aphis.usda.gov From Antennaria@aol.com Sat May 6 21:56:36 2006 Message-Id: <268.9c094aa.318ecb0a@aol.com> From: Antennaria@aol.com Subject: Iris minutoaurea + I. henryi Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 00:01:14 EDT John Lonsdale writes: >If I. minutoaurea hasn't flowered yet then it won't this >year (unless it just emerged from a late-melting >snowbank). Mine all finished about 2 weeks ago. It is >unfortunately shy-flowering, a couple of flowers being >normal. Darrell Probst says his plants bloom well every year. My plant, which I purchased 5 years ago, grows slowly but keeps building up the clump, but never flowers. That is, until this year. The small clump has about 10 buds, with 4-5 miniature flowers open in the two photos I'm providing. It's certainly a cute little thing, about 3" tall in flower. I hope, now that it's established and decided to flower, it'll do this each year: http://www.plantbuzz.com/rockgard/woodland/Iris_minutoaurea_2006a.jpg http://www.plantbuzz.com/rockgard/woodland/Iris_minutoaurea_2006b.jpg The other Chinese woodland iris are blooming well; I. koreana (golden yellow), Iris odaesanensis (white), and the enchanting I. henryi. The latter species has only been introduced recently by Darrell Probst, and from a tiny start I planted just two years ago, it's filling in nicely,and may have about 20 blooms this year. The flowers are tiny, opening a clear light blue with a yellow signal, fading to a the lightest blue possibly. I post a photo, but I've yet to capture the true pale blue color of the flowers. http://www.plantbuzz.com/rockgard/woodland/Iris_henryi_2006a.jpg Mark McDonough Pepperell, Massachusetts, United States antennaria@aol.com "New England" USDA Zone 5 ============================================== >> web site under construction - http://www.PlantBuzz.com << alliums, bulbs, penstemons, hardy hibiscus, western american alpines, iris, plants of all types! From blweintraub1@earthlink.net Sun May 7 10:06:38 2006 Message-Id: <11567970.1147010798077.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> From: blweintraub1@earthlink.net Subject: Delphinium nudicaule Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 08:06:38 -0600 (GMT-06:00) As a point of reference, I've been unable to overwinter D. nudicaule in the open garden. - Barbara Weintraub Santa Fe, New Mexico 6700 feet From khixson@nu-world.com Sun May 7 20:14:36 2006 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20060507160627.02d94080@mail.nu-world.com> From: Kenneth Hixson Subject: Babiana Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 17:09:59 -0700 Mary Sue wrote: >I dug Babianas and cleaned them off and sent them to the BX. >They were not all claimed and Dell had them left over for the sale. I'm not >sure why they were so unpopular, > I guess they just don't grow for >many of you in different climates. Some of the later blooming >species/hybrids do so well in the ground here. The only Babiana I've grown is the one offered by Park Seed, among others (B stricta??). It arrived in the spring, and didn't flower. Next spring it came up, but didn't flower. It slowly dwindled, and after about five years didn't return. I never saw a flower. I suspect some Babianas would make it here, but would have to grow various ones to trial. Given that they are seldom available to me, it hasn't been a priority. "Blue" or blue-purple flowers also do not show as well as brighter colors in our winter drizzle. Ixia hybrids have been successful for a number of years--almost to the point of being a weed, by bulblet propagation. A very limited amount of seed has set, and I've been trying to grow it on--we haven't had a real killer winter for a number of years, and I'm unsure just how hardy they really are. Interestingly, Ixias are usually listed as growing to 18", but some of these which have been undisturbed grew to nearly 36". Agapanthus--Headborne Hybrids from seed are taking their own sweet time about flowering, but I'll admit they haven't had a good spot. Local garden centers now offer Agapanthus in flower, about $10 for 1 gallon pots. I suspect a lot of them are buy-and-die plants. Chasmanthe bicolor, seed from PBS exchange, is up for the third year, but the last few winters have been mild, this year maybe it will take off and grow? A number of Gladiolus species seem to tolerate conditions here, but for now I've been growing summer growers and winter growers under the same conditions, and some of them don't seem to like it. Gladiolus hybrids have been grown commercially in the area, and many/ most home gardeners leave glads in the ground overwinter. Oxalis aff obliquifolia has multiplied madly, and if the bulblets/corms spread, it could be weedy. I'm trying other Oxalis, so far so good, but again, we haven't had a hard winter. It is rainy/dreary here in winter, so Oxalis should either be able to open when the sun doesn't shine, or flower in Spring, summer, or early fall. O. aff. obliquifolia, whatever it is, has a very showy spring season of pink/rose flowers, but also has dribs and drabs for some time in the summer. Tritonias are borderline--a well chosen site might be best. Was looking at pots of seedlings yesterday, and one pot of Brodia californica has a small spike starting. I'd have to look at the label, and it is raining, but I think the seed was planted 12/04. Oh, and that is a 3 1/2" seed pot, not a gallon can. Erythronium oreganum var leucandrum, seed planted fall 2001, had a few flowers this spring. One had strongly mottled foliage, most were plain green leaves. Be interesting to see what comes next spring. Oh, yes-- everyone "Knows" that Erythroniums take seven years to flower. Liatris--I can't remember anyone mentioning liatris--surely I'm not the only one who grows it? Not the most exciting thing, but blooms make nice "fillers" in the garden. New this year is Gloxinia tubiflora, and am interested in seeing what it will do--so far it has grown about two inches and stopped. Begonia boliviensis is another I'm looking forward to seeing. Begonia seed germination continues to elude me. Even B. grandis alba from last summer did not germinate this spring, it usually germinates moderately well. Ken, western Oregon From eagle85@flash.net Sun May 7 22:02:44 2006 Message-Id: <81876B3C-DE36-11DA-A164-00050277B6E6@flash.net> From: Doug Westfall Subject: Amaryllis Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 19:01:04 -0700 I have a friend who has a couple of large "beds" of hybrid amaryllis. This year, several of them have developed black places on the flower stalks which rot through after the flowers have opened. The leaves continue to grow and look "healthy." What is this? They have never seen it before. Doug From Antennaria@aol.com Sun May 7 22:36:32 2006 Message-Id: <36a.36c411d.319008ab@aol.com> From: Antennaria@aol.com Subject: Iris henryi - photo update Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 22:36:27 EDT Hello, Yesterday I posted a photo of Iris henryi. Today, all of the buds opened up, and this 3" tall woodland species looked fantastic, with 19 blooms open. I also took lots of digital camera shots, trying to capture the pure, very light yet lively blue color of the flowers, with the tiny punctuation marks of bright yellow signal spots. So, I post two new photos... http://www.plantbuzz.com/rockgard/woodland/Iris_henryi_2006c.jpg http://www.plantbuzz.com/rockgard/woodland/Iris_henryi_2006d.jpg Mark McDonough Pepperell, Massachusetts, United States antennaria@aol.com "New England" USDA Zone 5 ============================================== >> web site under construction - http://www.PlantBuzz.com << alliums, bulbs, penstemons, hardy hibiscus, western american alpines, iris, plants of all types! From irisman@ameritech.net Mon May 8 11:02:53 2006 Message-Id: <004001c672b0$45ab69b0$0100a8c0@FAMILY> From: "Adam Fikso" Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 40, Issue 4 Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 10:01:22 -0500 /pbs> > > > The application will be available online at : > > http://www.aphis.usda.gov/ppq/permits/plantproducts/nursery.html > > ...or from: > > Carolyn Fitzgerald > > USDA-APHIS-PPQ Permit Unit > > 4700 River Road > > Riverdale, MD 20737-1236 > > Phone: 1-877-770-5990 > > Fax: 301-734-5786, > > E-mail: Permits@aphis.usda.gov > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 00:01:14 EDT > From: Antennaria@aol.com > Subject: Re: [pbs] Iris minutoaurea + I. henryi > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: <268.9c094aa.318ecb0a@aol.com> > From leo@possi.org Mon May 8 17:24:34 2006 Message-Id: <12033.209.180.132.162.1147123468.squirrel@www.possi.org> From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: Babiana Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 14:24:28 -0700 (MST) > The only Babiana I've grown is the one offered by Park Seed, > among others (B stricta??). It arrived in the spring, and didn't flower. > Next spring it came up, but didn't flower. It slowly dwindled, and after > about five years didn't return. I never saw a flower. They're strict winter growers. They require wet growing conditions and very deep pots to bloom. I haven't been to S Africa but several friends of mine who have say many Babiana grow in wet ditches along roads. I've bloomed the ones from Park, which I don't think are B. stricta, but hybrids. The trick is getting them through the first summer. They arrive in early spring. Put them into the crisper drawer of your refrigerator until late fall. In the fall remove them, put them in DEEP pots with a sandy soil mix. I doubt a standard US 1 gallon pot (about 8" / 20cm deep) is deep enough. I use deeper pots than this. Plant about 2" / 5cm deep. They will pull themselves down. Water heavily once. Then water heavily about once a week. After they sprout, be sure to keep them very wet. Give them sun, daytime temperatures above freezing, and nights not below about 20F / -5C. They'll bloom. If your climate outside is too cold for this, you'll need a greenhouse that gets quite cool at night. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From jimmckenney@starpower.net Mon May 8 18:12:59 2006 Message-Id: <000201c672ec$91857a10$64012c42@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Babiana Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 18:12:59 -0400 Leo Martin wrote of Sparaxis:" The trick is getting them through the first summer. They arrive in early spring. Put them into the crisper drawer of your refrigerator until late fall." Leo, I found one aspect of your advice for growing Sparaxis intriguing, so much so that I'm giving into the temptation to ask you if you followed it yourself. You advised that spring purchased corms be put into the crisper drawer of the refrigerator until late fall. But aren't the corms offered in the spring corms held in cold storage from the previous autumn? That is, corms which should have been planted in the autumn of the spring prior to purchase? By putting them in the crisper, aren't you in effect keeping them in cold storage for an entire year? And what happens to make getting them through the first summer a problem. I know from my own (meager) experience with spring planted Sparaxis that they surge into growth almost immediately; some bloom, most don't (presumably because of the heat). Some go dormant, some don't. In either case, they pop back into active growth in the autumn. The one or two samples I tried didn't die during the summer. It's not as hot here as in Phoenix, but it's hot and wet. Can Sparaxis be grown outside year 'round in Phoenix? Please tell us more about what you did, in particular in subsequent summers. Jim McKenney Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, where seed has already ripened on some of the vernal Colchicum. From jimmckenney@starpower.net Mon May 8 18:14:55 2006 Message-Id: <000301c672ec$d6f86850$64012c42@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Babiana Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 18:14:56 -0400 Earth to Jim: the topic is Babiana, not Sparaxis! Jim McKenney From xerics@cox.net Mon May 8 18:17:00 2006 Message-Id: <002a01c672ed$1d60da20$0ef8b546@richard> From: "Richard" Subject: Babiana Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 15:16:55 -0700 I have been growing Babiana rubrocyana for years. Most of them are outdoors but this past winter I planted about 30 2" rose pots (about 4" deep. They didn't seem to mind and bloomed quite well. They don't seem to mind my summer irrigation which is minimal. A taller one (about a foot, dark blue but I don't know the species) bloomed in 4" standard pots but didn't seem too happy. Richard Wagner San Diego ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leo A. Martin" To: Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [pbs] Babiana >> The only Babiana I've grown is the one offered by Park Seed, >> among others (B stricta??). It arrived in the spring, and didn't flower. >> Next spring it came up, but didn't flower. It slowly dwindled, and after >> about five years didn't return. I never saw a flower. > > They're strict winter growers. They require wet growing conditions and > very deep pots to bloom. I haven't been to S Africa but several friends of > mine who have say many Babiana grow in wet ditches along roads. > > I've bloomed the ones from Park, which I don't think are B. stricta, but > hybrids. The trick is getting them through the first summer. > > They arrive in early spring. Put them into the crisper drawer of your > refrigerator until late fall. > > In the fall remove them, put them in DEEP pots with a sandy soil mix. I > doubt a standard US 1 gallon pot (about 8" / 20cm deep) is deep enough. I > use deeper pots than this. > > Plant about 2" / 5cm deep. They will pull themselves down. Water heavily > once. Then water heavily about once a week. > > After they sprout, be sure to keep them very wet. Give them sun, daytime > temperatures above freezing, and nights not below about 20F / -5C. They'll > bloom. > > If your climate outside is too cold for this, you'll need a greenhouse > that gets quite cool at night. > > Leo Martin > Phoenix Arizona USA > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php From msittner@mcn.org Mon May 8 18:49:58 2006 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20060508153719.03c875f0@mail.mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Babiana Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 15:49:51 -0700 Hi, All this talk of Babiana came about because I mentioned that it does beautifully planted in the ground in my coastal Northern California climate where this year it got 70 inches of rain during our winter and where it will be dry it looks like now until fall. When I lived in central California where the days often were hot (but it cooled down at night) it also did well. I watered my summer garden there and the Babianas tolerated this. Interestingly my current batch of thousands are descendants of some I grew from seed when I lived in Stockton. I also grow some species that are in pots nestled in pots in my raised bed. They do fine too as long as we have a little dry weather when they decide to bloom. My experience with South African Irids I tried to change over from the southern hemisphere was that keeping them warm not cold prevented them from starting into growth. It was the cool temps that told them now is time to grow. But even keeping them warm, at some stage they were just wanting to grow and sprouted. Also I mentioned earlier that when I gave these to the BX before, there was little demand. At least two people who got them have written me privately and said theirs did great and they'd love more. But both of these people live in California. I believe when we have discussed this before others said they had no luck growing them. If people in borderline cold areas want to trial them I can probably supply some more to the BX for list distribution. But only if people want them. Otherwise they will all go to the two who asked for them. Mary Sue From ConroeJoe@aol.com Mon May 8 18:59:21 2006 Message-Id: <362.3ef6901.31912746@aol.com> From: ConroeJoe@aol.com Subject: Crinum seeds, Jumbos Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 18:59:18 EDT Hi Gang, I'm happy to report that Marcelle Sheppard has provided a very large amount of hybrid Crinum seed that I will send to the PBX. I visited with Marcelle Sheppard last weekend, and while she has a bumper crop of seeds from many C. bulbispermum-Jumbo-type plants, she was unable to sort them or categorize them by "color of the seed parent," etc.  However, she's been recovering well enough from her accident last year and has been out in the garden with a helper.  She did collect seeds from outstanding parents and set those aside, and she discarded seeds from plants that have not proven to provide good seedlings.   All of the seeds are open pollinated; thus, most will have Jumbos as other parents but a few could perhaps have other parentage as well.  At this stage in their evolution the Jumbos can throw off anything from dark, solid, rose-pink flowers, to flowers that are nearly white or all-white. Some are charmingly like C. x herbertii and others are dark striped on pink. If you get these seeds you'll just have to grow them out to see what is what. Many have blue-green foliage, but some come up with shiny green leaves.   Marcelle provided a lot of seed.     LINK:  C. bulbispermum Jumbos http://www.crinum.iconx.com/html/crinum-hybrids-marcelle/crinum-jumbos.html Cordially, Joe  From CAMdon@aol.com Mon May 8 20:13:37 2006 Message-Id: <3f5.1d2015c.319138ad@aol.com> From: CAMdon@aol.com Subject: Babiana Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 20:13:33 EDT We also have very good results with babiana - in San Francisco - growing 5 or six varieties mostly in shades of purple. This was our first year with babiana rubrucyanum, babiana angustifolium and babiana Jim's choice (a Jim Duggin hybrid) this year and were very happy with them. We have a lot of an unnamed species from the UC Berkeley Botanical Garden in bloom right now, which should have plenty of seed to share. But for future BX, we'd be looking more for different colored babiana or other species. Don From janemcgary@earthlink.net Mon May 8 21:41:51 2006 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060508184032.00be7880@mail.earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: Babiana Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 18:42:11 -0700 Babiana species I bought for my mother in the Central Valley of California years ago grew all too enthusiastically, but they died when I transplanted some to my garden in northwestern Oregon. Presently I grow three species in the bulb frame; B. disticha flourishes best there. It's apparently just a bit too cold for them outdoors here in the foothills of the Cascades. Jane McGary near Portland, Oregon From Antennaria@aol.com Mon May 8 23:35:41 2006 Message-Id: <307.43f1bdd.3191680b@aol.com> From: Antennaria@aol.com Subject: The scent of Trillium Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 23:35:39 EDT Several years back, I received some Trillium treasures from John Lonsdale, all of which have prospered on grown on beautifully. They did set seed last year, which I scratched in around the parent plants, among the pine bark mulch, and this year received excellent germination with lots of seedlings. I'm a flower sniffer. It's always surprising to me when I get together with gardeners and comment on the scent of a particular plant, that the gardener has never thought about sniffing the flowers and never realized it was fragrant. I was sniffing my trilliums this past weekend, a gloriously beautiful spring weekend to be sure. I have two forms of Trillium decumbens, one from Alabama, the other from Georgia. Below is a link to a photo of these two... the brighter red Alabama collection on the left, the darker red collection from Georgia on the right. The Alabama stock has no scent that I can detect, whereas the Georgia stock smells like pepper! Cool. This species has leaves right at ground level, with fantastic mottling on the foliage. http://www.plantbuzz.com/rockgard/woodland/Trillium_decumbens_2006a.jpg Close by is T. decipiens. Equally beautiful foliage with intense mottling, the stems reach about 7-8". I provide two photos, showing two dark red forms, each with different mottling, and a coppery-olive flowered form with lighter mottling. The red forms have no detectable scent when I sniffed (although, they had just begun to open), whereas the coppery-olive flowered form had a strong yet hard to pinpoint aroma... sort of sweet yet at the same time turpentine-like. Peculiar and intriguing. http://www.plantbuzz.com/rockgard/woodland/Trillium_decipiens_2006b.jpg http://www.plantbuzz.com/rockgard/woodland/Trillium_decipiens_2006c.jpg The third Triilium species is T. recurvatum. It's rather tall and sturdy, with distinctively incurved flowers forming a small ball-shaped flower. The flowers are bright to dark red, looking particularly fetching when afternoon sunlight shines through the blooms, making them appear luminescent red. The foliage is lightly mottled. The very long-lasting flowers carry a light pleasantly sweet fragrance. The photo shows both this species and T. decipiens for comparison. http://www.plantbuzz.com/rockgard/woodland/Trillium_recurvatum_2006a.jpg All three species are growing at the base of Magnolia 'Forrest's Pink'. Mark McDonough Pepperell, Massachusetts, United States antennaria@aol.com "New England" USDA Zone 5 ============================================== >> web site under construction - http://www.PlantBuzz.com << alliums, bulbs, penstemons, hardy hibiscus, western american alpines, iris, plants of all types! From samclan@redshift.com Tue May 9 00:54:21 2006 Message-Id: <006b01c67324$a453f3a0$1504e4d8@authoriu> From: "samclan" Subject: Crinum seeds, Jumbos Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 21:54:22 -0700 I hope Marcelle's recovery continues rapidly and uneventfully and that I am at my computer when the Jumbo's seeds come to the PBX. Shirley Meneice ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 3:59 PM Subject: [pbs] Crinum seeds, Jumbos Hi Gang, I'm happy to report that Marcelle Sheppard has provided a very large amount of hybrid Crinum seed that I will send to the PBX. I visited with Marcelle Sheppard last weekend, and while she has a bumper crop of seeds from many C. bulbispermum-Jumbo-type plants, she was unable to sort them or categorize them by "color of the seed parent," etc. However, she's been recovering well enough from her accident last year and has been out in the garden with a helper. She did collect seeds from outstanding parents and set those aside, and she discarded seeds from plants that have not proven to provide good seedlings. All of the seeds are open pollinated; thus, most will have Jumbos as other parents but a few could perhaps have other parentage as well. At this stage in their evolution the Jumbos can throw off anything from dark, solid, rose-pink flowers, to flowers that are nearly white or all-white. Some are charmingly like C. x herbertii and others are dark striped on pink. If you get these seeds you'll just have to grow them out to see what is what. Many have blue-green foliage, but some come up with shiny green leaves. Marcelle provided a lot of seed. LINK: C. bulbispermum Jumbos http://www.crinum.iconx.com/html/crinum-hybrids-marcelle/crinum-jumbos.html Cordially, Joe _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php -- ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 499 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! From dells@voicenet.com Tue May 9 06:50:47 2006 Message-Id: <20060509105047.348FD4C00B@lists.ibiblio.org> From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: Crinum seeds, Jumbos Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 06:51:09 -0400 Great, Joe! Thanks in advance. Best regards and thanks to you and Marcelle, Dell -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of samclan Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 12:54 AM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] Crinum seeds, Jumbos I hope Marcelle's recovery continues rapidly and uneventfully and that I am at my computer when the Jumbo's seeds come to the PBX. Shirley Meneice ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 3:59 PM Subject: [pbs] Crinum seeds, Jumbos Hi Gang, I'm happy to report that Marcelle Sheppard has provided a very large amount of hybrid Crinum seed that I will send to the PBX. I visited with Marcelle Sheppard last weekend, and while she has a bumper crop of seeds from many C. bulbispermum-Jumbo-type plants, she was unable to sort them or categorize them by "color of the seed parent," etc. However, she's been recovering well enough from her accident last year and has been out in the garden with a helper. She did collect seeds from outstanding parents and set those aside, and she discarded seeds from plants that have not proven to provide good seedlings. All of the seeds are open pollinated; thus, most will have Jumbos as other parents but a few could perhaps have other parentage as well. At this stage in their evolution the Jumbos can throw off anything from dark, solid, rose-pink flowers, to flowers that are nearly white or all-white. Some are charmingly like C. x herbertii and others are dark striped on pink. If you get these seeds you'll just have to grow them out to see what is what. Many have blue-green foliage, but some come up with shiny green leaves. Marcelle provided a lot of seed. LINK: C. bulbispermum Jumbos http://www.crinum.iconx.com/html/crinum-hybrids-marcelle/crinum-jumbos.html Cordially, Joe _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php -- ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 499 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php From haweha@hotmail.com Tue May 9 07:58:03 2006 Message-Id: From: "Hans-Werner Hammen" Subject: Amaryllis Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 11:57:59 +0000 This is probably red blotch (by Stagonospora curtisii) I presume that these Hippeastrums had become infested with tarsonemid mites (Steneotarsonemus laticeps, bulb scale mite) in the previous season. The plants become very prone to the (opportunistic) fungal disease due to the tissue damage caused by the mites. The mite infection often spreads (slowly) from the outermost parts of the bulb to more central parts, and then the damage becomes very obvious, if not fatal (finally the bulb might turn into a black rotten pulp). The affection BUT of the flower stalks NOW absolutely fits into this scheme. Some images (close up) would be helpfull in order to exclude another other pest/disease. One single commercially grown hippeastrum bulb - COMMONLY infested with these bulb scale mites (!) introduced into a collection of Knight star lilies (as well as other receptible plants: More or less ALL amaryllids) - is apt to finally destroy the entire collection. For good reason the impact of this octopod critter is described extensively in Veronica's book (Hippeastrum -The Gardener's Amnaryllis) Accomplishing remedial actions BUT against the red blotch (red scorch) means to set the wrong priority. Hans-Werner >From: Doug Westfall >Reply-To: Pacific Bulb Society >To: Pacific Bulb Society >Subject: Re: [pbs] Amaryllis >Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 19:01:04 -0700 > >I have a friend who has a couple of large "beds" of hybrid amaryllis. >This year, several of them have developed black places on the flower >stalks which rot through after the flowers have opened. The leaves >continue to grow and look "healthy." What is this? They have never >seen it before. > >Doug > >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php From john@johnlonsdale.net Tue May 9 10:54:37 2006 Message-Id: From: "John Lonsdale" Subject: The scent of Trillium Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 10:54:42 -0400 On Mon, 8 May 2006 23:35:39 EDT Antennaria@aol.com wrote: > Close by is T. decipiens. Equally beautiful foliage >with intense mottling, > the stems reach about 7-8". I provide two photos, >showing two dark red forms, > each with different mottling, and a coppery-olive >flowered form with lighter > mottling. The red forms have no detectable scent when I >sniffed (although, > they had just begun to open), whereas the coppery-olive >flowered form had a > strong yet hard to pinpoint aroma... sort of sweet yet >at the same time > turpentine-like. Peculiar and intriguing. When you go into a woodland with Trillium decipiens present, and the temperature is up in the 70s and 80s (as it often is in late February and early March when they are flowering in SW Georgia and S Alabama) the scent is amazing. I hadn't pinned it down to color forms as Mark has interestingly done, but the smell of ripe bananas is overpowering. It is great that these Deep South plants are doing so well in MA. Best, John John T Lonsdale PhD 407 Edgewood Drive, Exton, Pennsylvania 19341, USA Home: 610 594 9232 Cell: 484 678 9856 Fax: 801 327 1266 Visit "Edgewood" - The Lonsdale Garden at http://www.edgewoodgardens.net USDA Zone 6b From green.global.warming@gmail.com Tue May 9 13:30:38 2006 Message-Id: <72bdc3ee0605091030n7cf376ednb34d44ccd15fde8f@mail.gmail.com> From: "Green Project Global Warming" Subject: The scent of Trillium Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 10:30:35 -0700 John, I love when PhD's speak of unquantifiable subjects like aroma! :o) On 5/9/06, John Lonsdale wrote: > > > > On Mon, 8 May 2006 23:35:39 EDT Antennaria@aol.com wrote: > > > Close by is T. decipiens. Equally beautiful foliage > >with intense mottling, > > the stems reach about 7-8". I provide two photos, > >showing two dark red forms, > > each with different mottling, and a coppery-olive > >flowered form with lighter > > mottling. The red forms have no detectable scent when I > >sniffed (although, > > they had just begun to open), whereas the coppery-olive > >flowered form had a > > strong yet hard to pinpoint aroma... sort of sweet yet > >at the same time > > turpentine-like. Peculiar and intriguing. > > When you go into a woodland with Trillium decipiens > present, and the temperature is up in the 70s and 80s (as > it often is in late February and early March when they are > flowering in SW Georgia and S Alabama) the scent is > amazing. I hadn't pinned it down to color forms as Mark > has interestingly done, but the smell of ripe bananas is > overpowering. It is great that these Deep South plants > are doing so well in MA. > > Best, > > John > > John T Lonsdale PhD > 407 Edgewood Drive, > Exton, Pennsylvania 19341, USA -- > Eliah W. Lama > Twenty Six Hundred PCH 101 > Encinitas CA 92oo7 > http://www.global-green.org > http://www.global-green.blogspot.com From john@johnlonsdale.net Tue May 9 14:35:17 2006 Message-Id: <000801c67397$1c43d020$6501a8c0@DIMENSION8100> From: "John T Lonsdale" Subject: The scent of Trillium Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 14:33:47 -0400 "John, I love when PhD's speak of unquantifiable subjects like aroma! :o)" Well now, technically if unromantically it is quantifiable, but I've yet to see a gas chromatograph spit out a trace with the main peak identified as 'ripe bananas'! Numbers are one thing - but they are meaningless if my 'ripe bananas' equates to your 'bobcat urine':) I could never be a wine taster. Best, J. John T Lonsdale PhD 407 Edgewood Drive, Exton, Pennsylvania 19341, USA Home: 610 594 9232 Cell: 484 678 9856 Fax: 801 327 1266 Visit "Edgewood" - The Lonsdale Garden at http://www.edgewoodgardens.net USDA Zone 6b From leo@possi.org Tue May 9 17:15:24 2006 Message-Id: <27686.209.180.132.162.1147209322.squirrel@www.possi.org> From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: Babiana Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 14:15:22 -0700 (MST) > Leo, I found one aspect of your advice for growing > [Babiana] intriguing, so much so that I'm giving > into the temptation to ask you if you followed it > yourself. Yes. I tried the Park 'Babiana stricta' two years in a row planting them in the spring, as soon as they arrived. They never even sprouted. By midsummer when I dug them up to look they were rotten. The third year I ordered them from Parks (7 or 8 years ago - I didn't know there were any other sources) I put them in the crisper drawer. I planted them the following fall when the nights were good and cool. The plants straggled up and lived. They didn't bloom, perhaps partially because of the long hibernation, and partially because I didn't realize how much water I needed to give them. The next spring they went dormant, and returned again the following fall as they have ever since. They don't bloom every year, perhaps because I don't always remember to keep them wet in the winter. In the summer I leave the pot outside in the shade, dry. > You advised that spring purchased corms be put into the > crisper drawer of the refrigerator until late fall. > > But aren't the corms offered in the spring corms held > in cold storage from the previous autumn? > > That is, corms which should have been planted in the > autumn of the spring prior to purchase? > > By putting them in the crisper, aren't you in effect > keeping them in cold storage for an entire year? I don't know how they're handled by the growers and dealers. > And what happens to make getting them through the > first summer a problem. In Phoenix, high summer temperatures + water + winter-growing bulbs ---------------------------- = rotten bulbs. > I know from my own (meager) experience with spring > planted Sparaxis that they surge into growth almost > immediately; some bloom, most don't (presumably > because of the heat). Some go dormant, some don't. > In either case, they pop back into active growth in > the autumn. The one or two samples I tried didn't > die during the summer. It's not as hot here as in > Phoenix, but it's hot and wet. > > Can Sparaxis be grown outside year 'round in Phoenix? Well, Sparaxis... Hybrids are available locally in nurseries in the fall, which is when I planted them. Mine are in a raised bed I use for growing flowers and vegetables all year (without a raised bed I would be growing rabbit food.) So, they get regular water all year. The Sparaxis don't mind this. Neither does... uhh... whatever is that red amaryllid from central South America... rhodosomething? The Ixia hybrids I planted in that bed disappeared over the years, and the Chasmanthe didn't come back even once. And Babiana hybrids don't like water during the summer here. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From john@floralarchitecture.com Wed May 10 10:29:08 2006 Message-Id: <20060510142907.26941.qmail@web36205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Floral Architecture Subject: Weedy Ornithagalum Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 07:29:07 -0700 (PDT) I have a friend in OH that contacted me about "spontanteous" clumps of Ornithagalums in the their yard. 3-5 flowers per stem, pure white with a small crown of white and green in the center. I have photos for anyone that might be able to help with ID. The bulbs were never planted. They thought they were Ipheions but the multiple flowers and green centers say otherwise. Thanks in advance for all your help. John Ingram in L.A., CA. www.floralarchitecture.com "Your Clivia Connection" john@floralarchitecture.com 310.709.1613 (cell, west coast time, please call accordingly. Thank you) From arnold@nj.rr.com Wed May 10 10:37:58 2006 Message-Id: <4461FA35.4030809@nj.rr.com> From: arnold trachtenberg Subject: Weedy Ornithagalum Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:35:33 -0400 John: Most likely ornithogalum umbelletum, Star of Bethlehem. Produces bulblets by the hundreds. Is a weed for me here in New Jersey. Arnold From dells@voicenet.com Wed May 10 17:32:42 2006 Message-Id: <20060510213242.589514C00B@lists.ibiblio.org> From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: Weedy Ornithagalum Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 17:33:01 -0400 Ditto for me, a noxious, obnoxious, toxic weed. But the deer don't eat it. Dell -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of arnold trachtenberg Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 10:36 AM To: john@floralarchitecture.com; Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] Weedy Ornithagalum John: Most likely ornithogalum umbelletum, Star of Bethlehem. Produces bulblets by the hundreds. Is a weed for me here in New Jersey. Arnold _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php From dkramb@badbear.com Wed May 10 18:05:49 2006 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060510180521.01eb2498@badbear.com> From: Dennis Kramb Subject: Weedy Ornithagalum Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:05:59 -0400 Yup - I found it growing wild here in Ohio, in a woodland, and thought it was some kind of giant Sisyrinchium until I got home and realized what it really was. DOH!!! Dennis in Cincy From dells@voicenet.com Wed May 10 18:19:58 2006 Message-Id: From: Dell Sherk Subject: Pacific BX 118 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:20:39 -0400 Dear All, The items listed below have been donated by people from all over the world, to be shared. If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at . Include "BX 118" in the subject line. Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money (cash, check, or Paypal to ; no money orders, please) you should send the PBS treasurer to defray our costs for packing and first-class postage. Some of you are members of the online PBS discussion forum but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO MEMBERS OF THE PBS. Consider joining the PBS so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website: .... Or contact me at dells@voicenet.com . If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS, please send CLEAN, clearly labeled material to: Dell Sherk 6832 Phillips Mill Rd. New Hope, PA, 18938 USA Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations. PLEASE NOTE: I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER.. IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! From Gary Meltzer: 1. Seed of a Clivia hybrid. Photo at From Chuck Schwartz: 2. Corms of Chasmanthe bicolor 3. Cormels? of Hermodactylus tuberosa 4. Seed of Tulbaghia galpinii From Fred Biasella: 5. Bulbs of Hymenocallis 'Festalis' Photo at 6. Bulblets of Cyrtanthus obliquus 7. Bulblets of Hippeastrum 'Dutch Red' x self Thank you Gary, Chuck, and Fred !! Best wishes, Dell --Dell Sherk, Director, Pacific BX From Theladygardens@aol.com Wed May 10 18:48:27 2006 Message-Id: <31b.3924ad3.3193c7b3@aol.com> From: Theladygardens@aol.com Subject: Irises in bloom Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:48:19 EDT My irises are in full bloom so if anyone is in the area please drop in to see them. I have over 1000 different iris, mostly hybrids. Also have lots of roses, fruit trees and gobs of other stuff. We open the gates for neighbors and public to visit from 11 AM to 4 PM Sat Sun Mon through May 21 I was delighted to meet Diane Whitehead when she and her husband visited here with us a few days last week. What fun to put a face to a familiar name. Both my husband and I enjoyed their visit and she even pulled weeds in the Pacific Coast Iris bed. Carolyn Craft 16380 Harwood Rd. Los Gatos, CA (408) 266-0945 From msittner@mcn.org Wed May 10 18:53:48 2006 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20060510155125.035e8fe0@mail.mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Pacific BX 118 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 15:51:47 -0700 In case you were wondering Gary's Clivia doesn't really look like an Ismene/Hymenocallis > >From Gary Meltzer: > >1. Seed of a Clivia hybrid. Photo at http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/BX118/CliviaHybridMeltzer.jpg From jimmckenney@starpower.net Wed May 10 22:07:57 2006 Message-Id: <000c01c6749f$ba447af0$6d012c42@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Weedy Ornithagalum Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 22:07:58 -0400 OK, it's a weed, a terrible pest and all of that. I like it. How can you not like a plant with an ancient name, a name that sounds as if it comes out of Chaucer, dove dung? I'm tempted to erect a dovecote in the garden and plant the area under it with Ornithogalum umbellatum as a sort of visual pun. I wonder how many people would get it. Jim McKenney Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, where we are enjoying some of the best days the garden and local countryside have to offer all year: mock oranges, honeysuckles, wisteria, black locust, Paulownia, peonies, roses, early Dianthus and tall bearded iris are providing wonderful color and fragrance, and poppies are providing grace, color and a reminder of how fleeting it all is. From Blee811@aol.com Thu May 11 00:23:46 2006 Message-Id: <26d.a1701d5.3194164d@aol.com> From: Blee811@aol.com Subject: Weedy Ornithagalum Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 00:23:41 EDT In a message dated 5/10/2006 5:33:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dells@voicenet.com writes: Ditto for me, a noxious, obnoxious, toxic weed. But the deer don't eat it. ===>I have it in every bed and in the grass too. The bloom is pretty, but the plant is terrible. I keep a large bucket beside me when I weed and every bulb of this I dig out goes in the bucket, ultimately to go in the garbage. I don't want to risk getting it into the compost too. I believe I have also either read or been told that it may harbor narcissus viruses, another reason to rogue it out mercilessly. I think if you work diligently on it with a deep trowel and weeder, you may eradicate it in 25 years or so. Bill Lee--in Cincinnati From silverhill@yebo.co.za Thu May 11 05:11:52 2006 Message-Id: <016801c674d9$9bcbae60$0100a8c0@SERVER> From: "Rachel Saunders" Subject: Weedy Ornithagalum Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:30:34 +0200 Rachel is away for a month. Regards Denise for Rachel Saunders Tel +27 21 762 4245 Fax +27 21 797 6609 PO Box 53108, Kenilworth, 7745 South Africa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Floral Architecture" To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 4:29 PM Subject: [pbs] Weedy Ornithagalum > I have a friend in OH that contacted me about "spontanteous" clumps of Ornithagalums in the their yard. 3-5 flowers per stem, pure white with a small crown of white and green in the center. I have photos for anyone that might be able to help with ID. The bulbs were never planted. They thought they were Ipheions but the multiple flowers and green centers say otherwise. > Thanks in advance for all your help. > > > John Ingram in L.A., CA. > www.floralarchitecture.com "Your Clivia Connection" > john@floralarchitecture.com > 310.709.1613 (cell, west coast time, please call accordingly. Thank you) > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > From green.global.warming@gmail.com Thu May 11 12:40:50 2006 Message-Id: <72bdc3ee0605110940w279c54d1xb80efdd4c0b1fd73@mail.gmail.com> From: "Green Project Global Warming" Subject: Weedy Ornithagalum - testing Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:40:48 -0700 is this getting thru? - testing -- Eliah W. Lama Twenty Six Hundred PCH 101 Encinitas CA 92oo7 http://www.global-green.org http://www.global-green.blogspot.com From green.global.warming@gmail.com Thu May 11 13:08:08 2006 Message-Id: <72bdc3ee0605111008g6ebd11b2o86938fdd95803297@mail.gmail.com> From: "Green Project Global Warming" Subject: Weedy Ornithagalum Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:08:06 -0700 John, Dennis, Since you guys are the environmental / fauna experts, we want your feedback. We just launched a Green Building / Environmental Disaster Monitor Google Map. It's live at http://www.green-project.org Where we need help is 1. what issues do you want us to map? air quality / pollen count / toxic rain locations - different icons will be necessary ofcourse... 2. add the best examples of eco friendly growers and companies 3. add the monsters who could use a little encouragement to clean up their act. 4. steering - help us drive this map with your ideas and guidance.... you can reply to this email. NOTE: we are already featured in many reputable sources but we need support from professionals in the biz. -- Eliah W. Lama Twenty Six Hundred PCH 101 Encinitas CA 92oo7 http://www.global-green.org http://www.global-green.blogspot.com From msittner@mcn.org Thu May 11 16:12:38 2006 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20060511130909.01d606c8@mail.mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Green Building/Environmental Disaster Monitor, was Weedy Ornithagalum Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:12:29 -0700 Hi, If any of you want to respond to Eliah's message to our group and help him with his questions, please respond to him privately at mailto:green.global.warming@gmail.com and not to the list as he suggests. Thanks. Mary Sue >you can reply to this email. From samclan@redshift.com Fri May 12 00:39:00 2006 Message-Id: <005f01c6757d$fc0f49e0$1404e4d8@authoriu> From: "samclan" Subject: Weedy Ornithagalum - testing Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 21:38:57 -0700 Yes. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Green Project Global Warming" To: ; "Pacific Bulb Society" Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [pbs] Weedy Ornithagalum - testing > is this getting thru? - testing > > -- > Eliah W. Lama > Twenty Six Hundred PCH 101 > Encinitas CA 92oo7 > http://www.global-green.org > http://www.global-green.blogspot.com > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > -- ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 524 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com/pro for free now! From msittner@mcn.org Sat May 13 00:01:53 2006 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20060512180754.01d65738@mail.mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Triteleia Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 21:01:45 -0700 Hi, I've added a lot of pictures to the Triteleia wiki page. Some of you may remember that I've been trying to understand, grow, and/or see in the wild many of our native Triteleias. It is a genus I love and at the moment it is blooming away in my garden. Three cheers for it! Recently we took a few days to view some of the Northern California wildflowers and saw some wonderful displays of flowers. Diana Chapman has raved about Table Mountain near Oroville for a number of years and we finally made it. The day we spent there will be etched in my memory somewhat like the day we saw Romulea sabulosa near Nieuwoudtville in a wet year. It was one of the more beautiful displays of wildflower I have seen. This year late rains meant there were annuals and bulbs blooming together. Table Mountain is flat as you might expect from the name and the soils are thin so that there isn't a lot of competition from trees or shrubs. There were masses of different colors of low blooming flowers. We also went to Bidwell Park in Chico at Diana's suggestion and saw a lot of nice native bulbs there and also nice displays of flowers in the Vina Plains, a Nature Conservancy preserve we just viewed from the road. I'll be adding pictures to the wiki probably slowly of some of the bulbs we saw in habitat. This is the first lot, the Triteleias. While I was at it I added pictures I hadn't gotten around to adding before, took off some older pictures that I thought I could improve on and added some new ones, including of some things blooming at the moment. The changes are a lot to announce so maybe those interested should just look at the whole page. http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Triteleia Triteleia bridgesii - new habitat picture from Bidwell, better picture of garden plants, corms Triteleia dudleyi - this one I didn't realize I never added to the wiki. It's found at high elevations, but I still am able to flower it so it obviously adapts even without winter cold. Triteleia hendersonii - this is getting more and more flowers every year so I replaced pictures to show this. I have some growing in a large pot in my raised bed with a Brunsvigia that has never bloomed. I didn't purposely do this, nor did I plant that Cyclamen coum that appeared as well. The later blooms for months in that same pot and then the Triteleia when the leaves of the others have disappeared. This Trit is fabulous. Triteleia hycinthina - improved pictures and pictures of corms Triteleia ixioides scabra - corms Triteleia ixioides Tiger from the Robinetts was supposedly grown from seed collected at Table Mountain so I added a picture of one taken there. My field guide called it T. ixioides ssp. unifolia, but that name wasn't recognized in Jepson as a separate species. Triteleia laxa -- We saw a white one in Bidwell park which is very unusual and a wonderful display being pollinated by black Pipevine Swallowtails near Vina. Also a picture of the corms I think of Queen Fabiola. I didn't make a note of which form. It's one of those laxas that multiplies vegetatively in huge numbers every year. Triteleia lilacina - Another favorite of mine with the sparkly center. This one we saw in Bidwell and on Table Mountain so have added pictures taken each place (one with a pollinator) and a picture of the corms which are more fibrous than most. Triteleia montana- Better picture and added a picture of the corms Triteleia peduncularis- Picture of the corms. The one I grow produces a lot of small sized cormlets that take a few years to bloom. Mary Sue From dells@voicenet.com Sat May 13 16:29:31 2006 Message-Id: <20060513202931.35B194C00B@lists.ibiblio.org> From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: Clivia photo for BX 118 Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 16:29:53 -0400 Dear All, I am sorry for the confusion about the clivia seed that was donated by Gary Meltzer. It looks, from the photo, like C. X cyrtanthiflora, but there are a number of hybrids these days that have the same tubular, pendant flowers. (See photos of C. x cyrtanthiflora of the PBS wiki.) I certainly want to grow it, and I suspect many of you would too. There have only been two orders for it so far. If you want some, let me know. I am just beginning to pack up the goodies for BX 118. Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, Director, PBS BX From dells@voicenet.com Sun May 14 07:28:48 2006 Message-Id: <20060514112847.E89EA4C00B@lists.ibiblio.org> From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: Oops!! RE: PBS BX 118 Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 07:29:11 -0400 I need to be more careful. Here is the link to Gary Meltzer's clivia hybrid on the PBS wiki: http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/BX118/CliviaHybridMeltzer.jpg From steve.burger@choa.org Sun May 14 09:39:53 2006 Message-Id: <0BAB7B6F7D5A53418C3B75FA01DE2BED0E97300A@CHOAMAIL4.choa.org> From: "Burger, Steve" Subject: Crinum 'Yellow Triumph' source Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 09:35:16 -0400 Can anyone recommend a source for this plant? Steve From jrc@crellin.org.uk Sun May 14 11:28:47 2006 Message-Id: From: "JohnRCrellin" Subject: Scilla lakusicii Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 16:28:47 +0100 Can anyone confirm that what I have at http://www.floralimages.co.uk/pscilllakus.htm is indeed this species ? The only reference I can find to it is Julian Slade's post to this forum about Scilla proposed changes. It does appear to have the ribbed scape mentioned there. This is the first flowering from seed I obtained from the "Seed Guild" in 2002 - they used to distribute "surplus" seed from Botanical gardens (randomly !) I will post this on the WIKI if it is confirmed. John Crellin www.floralimages.co.uk www.cial.org.uk Do not under any circumstances take my signature lines seriously ! From steve.burger@choa.org Sun May 14 22:32:41 2006 Message-Id: <0BAB7B6F7D5A53418C3B75FA01DE2BED0E97300B@CHOAMAIL4.choa.org> From: "Burger, Steve" Subject: Crinum 'Yellow Triumph' source Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 22:32:19 -0400 My original doesn't seem to have made it to the list, so I'm resending. Sorry if you get this twice. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Burger, Steve Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 09:35 AM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: Crinum 'Yellow Triumph' source Can anyone recommend a source for this plant? Steve From norwesgard@earthlink.net Mon May 15 03:25:02 2006 Message-Id: <1D0E5AD4-0C11-4016-8F20-57351FA6B861@earthlink.net> From: Mary Gutierrez Subject: Bletilla striata photo Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 00:22:09 -0700 Hi all-- I'm new to the PBS, this is my first post--I hope you won't mind me starting out with a request/question. I'm the editor of Northwest Garden News, we're based in Seattle. I'm having a hard time finding a good close-up photo of a Bletilla striata flower to publish along with a story I am running on the plant in NWGN. If you have a nice, high-resolution photo that you can let us use, I will offer a photo credit and a year's subscription to the publication in return. I hope my question is appropriate, I'm sure I'll find out if it is not! I wouldn't ask, but I can't find a good stock photo of the plant or flower. I look forward to corresponding with you on more interesting bulb- related subjects in the future. thanks much, Mary From arnold@nj.rr.com Mon May 15 07:07:24 2006 Message-Id: <44686058.1000904@nj.rr.com> From: arnold trachtenberg Subject: Bletilla striata photo Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 07:04:56 -0400 Here is the link: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Bletilla Arnold From john@johnlonsdale.net Mon May 15 07:13:35 2006 Message-Id: From: "John Lonsdale" Subject: Bletilla striata photo Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 07:13:40 -0400 Hi Mary, I have a number of images of Bletilla here http://www.edgewoodgardens.net/Plants_album/Orchidaceae/Bletilla/index.html Let me know if you are interested in any. Thanks, John On Mon, 15 May 2006 00:22:09 -0700 Mary Gutierrez wrote: > Hi all-- > > I'm new to the PBS, this is my first post--I hope you >won't mind me > starting out with a request/question. > > I'm the editor of Northwest Garden News, we're based in >Seattle. I'm > having a hard time finding a good close-up photo of a >Bletilla > striata flower to publish along with a story I am >running on the > plant in NWGN. If you have a nice, high-resolution photo >that you can > let us use, I will offer a photo credit and a year's >subscription to > the publication in return. > > I hope my question is appropriate, I'm sure I'll find >out if it is > not! I wouldn't ask, but I can't find a good stock photo >of the plant > or flower. > > I look forward to corresponding with you on more >interesting bulb- > related subjects in the future. > > thanks much, > > Mary > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php John T Lonsdale PhD 407 Edgewood Drive, Exton, Pennsylvania 19341, USA Home: 610 594 9232 Cell: 484 678 9856 Fax: 801 327 1266 Visit "Edgewood" - The Lonsdale Garden at http://www.edgewoodgardens.net USDA Zone 6b From norwesgard@earthlink.net Tue May 16 03:20:16 2006 Message-Id: <9569FCF5-5BD2-42BD-B1AC-BA416179FD7A@earthlink.net> From: Mary Gutierrez Subject: Thank you all so much Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 00:17:24 -0700 I have to say how impressed I was with the quality and quantity of responses to my request for photos of Bletilla striata. It was my first posting to the list, so I didn't know what to expect. I've recently joined pbs, and I'm glad to find myself part of such a generous, knowledgeable group. Thank you! Mary Gutierrez From marie-paule.opdenakker@pandora.be Tue May 16 13:49:27 2006 Message-Id: <000801c67910$f14c87c0$3d145351@kieken> From: "Marie-Paule" Subject: roots for my pamianthe Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 19:48:30 +0200 Hello, I have a pamianthe peruviana, already a half year, but the plant has no roots, (it has 2 green leaves) the plant want produce also none new. Has someone have a good tip for me, so that the pamianthe makes new roots? Or is the plant been written down at dead? What I don’t hope, it is my only one. Regards, Marie-Paule From doji@hawaii.rr.com Tue May 16 16:54:51 2006 Message-Id: <004a01c6792a$f202e0a0$370ffea9@dell1> From: "Gary" Subject: Muscari site Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 10:54:37 -1000 I just came across this Muscari site that might be of interest to those who grow them or want to do so. http://home.tiscali.nl/hennessy/index.htm Gary in Hilo, HI; more than 24"/610mm of rain this month so far. From voltaire@islandnet.com Tue May 16 20:03:38 2006 Message-Id: From: Diane Whitehead Subject: Begonia sutherlandii from bulbils Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 17:03:32 -0700 Last fall, I bought some bulbils from Gardens North, and they sprouted in the spring and have formed nice little plants already. Can I expect flowers this year? -- Diane Whitehead Victoria, British Columbia, Canada maritime zone 8 cool mediterranean climate (dry summer, rainy winter - 68 cm annually) sandy soil From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Wed May 17 12:50:50 2006 Message-Id: <52b375cea77ef475646e908f8f232a86@pacbell.net> From: Lee Poulsen Subject: Cyan colored Iris? Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:50:48 -0700 As a few of you know, I've been accumulating a (very small) list of those plants (not just geophytes) that have flowers whose color falls in the cyan range of the spectrum. Other names for colors in this range are teal, aqua, aquamarine, blue-green, turquoise. It is a very striking color to see in a flower and the South Africans have two bulbs that appear on this list: Lachenalia viridiflora and Ixia viridiflora. A couple of other plants whose flowers are this color and look almost unreal are the Chilean bromeliad Puya alpestris and the tropical vine Strongylodon macrobotrys. I was slowly thumbing through that new Iris book I mentioned a little while ago, and in the chapter on Pacific Coast Hybrids, in the description for the species Iris munzii, it described their typical color range and then said: "..., but in cultivation they can be turquoise to deep sky blue." These two colors are often what some people will use when trying to describe the color cyan. So my cyan-flower alert went off, and I decided to ask this knowledgeable group if they have seen these flowers and if what the author is describing here might be a cyan colored Iris? Does anyone have photos of it or know where there might be photos of this on the web? Is it cyan enough to include in the cyan-colored-flower list? Thanks, --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USDA Zone 10a From voltaire@islandnet.com Wed May 17 13:25:25 2006 Message-Id: From: Diane Whitehead Subject: Cyan colored Iris? Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 10:25:17 -0700 > Iris munzii, it described their typical >color range and then said: "..., but in cultivation they can be >turquoise to deep sky blue." The species, which I have not seen, is not sky blue, but its hybrids can be. I have one that just opened in the garden. The colour is temperature dependent. I would not call it turquoise. I have seen Strongylodon blooming and I have never seen an iris that comes close to that colour. Garry Knipe of Cupertino is breeding blue Pacific Coast iris, with turquoise as a goal. I visited him last week, and so far he has just hints of it. -- Diane Whitehead Victoria, British Columbia, Canada maritime zone 8 cool mediterranean climate (dry summer, rainy winter - 68 cm annually) sandy soil From aquaflorasa@telkomsa.net Wed May 17 14:02:28 2006 Message-Id: <00b601c679dc$0dee39c0$c3b0ef9b@p7d1p2> From: "Aqua Flora" Subject: Begonia sutherlandii from bulbils Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 19:34:00 +0200 Hi Diane, In my experience Begonia sutherlandii will flower within the first year when grown from bulbils and will produce copious amounts of bulbils within that first year. I grow them in a hanging basket to best appreciate their dainty orange flowers. Enjoy! Pieter van der Walt South Africa From Theladygardens@aol.com Wed May 17 15:10:32 2006 Message-Id: <32b.43272e9.319ccf1e@aol.com> From: Theladygardens@aol.com Subject: Cyan colored Iris? Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:10:22 EDT Yes, Gary Knipe, Cupertino, CA who belongs to 2-3 iris clubs I also belong to is strongly working this color in Pacific Coast Iris. He has not introduced any yet but has several seedlings that show the cyan or aqua - blue green color. We all like them very much and are anxious for him to introduce some. Hopefully he will introduce something soon. Another one to watch is Ryan Grisso, he lives a little farther north. Carolyn Craft From janemcgary@earthlink.net Wed May 17 15:11:51 2006 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060517121042.00c5de20@mail.earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: Cyan colored Iris? Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 12:12:14 -0700 Did Lee, or other people interested in this flower color in irises, see the article published in the Rock Garden Quarterly 62(4) (Fall 2004) by Alan McMurtrie? Some of his Reticulata hybrids appear to have this color in parts of the flower. Jane McGary At 09:50 AM 5/17/2006 -0700, you wrote: >As a few of you know, I've been accumulating a (very small) list of >those plants (not just geophytes) that have flowers whose color falls >in the cyan range of the spectrum. Other names for colors in this range >are teal, aqua, aquamarine, blue-green, turquoise. It is a very >striking color to see in a flower and the South Africans have two bulbs >that appear on this list: Lachenalia viridiflora and Ixia viridiflora. >A couple of other plants whose flowers are this color and look almost >unreal are the Chilean bromeliad Puya alpestris and the tropical vine >Strongylodon macrobotrys. > >I was slowly thumbing through that new Iris book I mentioned a little >while ago, and in the chapter on Pacific Coast Hybrids, in the >description for the species Iris munzii, it described their typical >color range and then said: "..., but in cultivation they can be >turquoise to deep sky blue." These two colors are often what some >people will use when trying to describe the color cyan. So my >cyan-flower alert went off, and I decided to ask this knowledgeable >group if they have seen these flowers and if what the author is >describing here might be a cyan colored Iris? Does anyone have photos >of it or know where there might be photos of this on the web? Is it >cyan enough to include in the cyan-colored-flower list? > >Thanks, >--Lee Poulsen >Pasadena, California, USDA Zone 10a > >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php From khixson@nu-world.com Wed May 17 15:48:19 2006 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20060517124030.031b21f0@mail.nu-world.com> From: Kenneth Hixson Subject: Cyan colored Iris? Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 12:48:13 -0700 Lee, a web search will yield images of PCI. You might also go to the website at www.pacificcoastiris.org. There is also a CD of 240 images, offered on one of the web pages above. I had about five plants flower this year from seed from the society, marked late Munzii hybrids. The first to flower was one of the earliest PCI, a two-tone purple. The next two were a light, almost greyed blue, certainly not sky blue. The last to flower was a wine purple Flower size was relatively large. How hardy they are remains to be seen. These are all still in flower, if a little past. Ken, western Oregon From ConroeJoe@aol.com Wed May 17 19:03:36 2006 Message-Id: <324.4389291.319d05c3@aol.com> From: ConroeJoe@aol.com Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 40, Issue 14 Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 19:03:31 EDT Hi Gang, I've finally gotten organized and have sent Dell several hundred H. liriosme seeds, as well as zillions of Crinum Jumbo x open-pollinated seeds. Cordially, Joe P.S. New email here is jshaw@opuntiads.com Check out my Web site; LINK: Opuntiads of the USA www.opuntiads.com From c-mueller@tamu.edu Wed May 17 21:05:13 2006 Message-Id: <446B81D80200008A00001FED@ag.tamu.edu> From: "Cynthia Mueller" Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 40, Issue 14 Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 20:04:40 -0500 Well, hi, Joe.....when will your new email take hold? Where did you get all these H. liriosme seeds? Glad Marcelle has all those seeds. Her plants seem to be far ahead of mine. Saw Boone several times lately. He's hoping to get on into the Texas Cooperative Extension, probably in Ft. Bend county. More later, Cynthia Mueller >>> 05/17/06 6:03 PM >>> Hi Gang, I've finally gotten organized and have sent Dell several hundred H. liriosme seeds, as well as zillions of Crinum Jumbo x open-pollinated seeds. Cordially, Joe P.S. New email here is jshaw@opuntiads.com Check out my Web site; LINK: Opuntiads of the USA www.opuntiads.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php From samclan@redshift.com Wed May 17 23:58:53 2006 Message-Id: <002301c67a2f$5eaa79c0$6304e4d8@authoriu> From: "samclan" Subject: Cyan colored Iris? Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 20:58:48 -0700 I'VE SEEN A LARGE NUMBER OF THEM BUT NONE THAT WOULD FALL INTO THIS COLOR RANGE. Shirley Meneice ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Poulsen" To: "PBS Society" Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:50 AM Subject: [pbs] Cyan colored Iris? > As a few of you know, I've been accumulating a (very small) list of > those plants (not just geophytes) that have flowers whose color falls > in the cyan range of the spectrum. Other names for colors in this range > are teal, aqua, aquamarine, blue-green, turquoise. It is a very > striking color to see in a flower and the South Africans have two bulbs > that appear on this list: Lachenalia viridiflora and Ixia viridiflora. > A couple of other plants whose flowers are this color and look almost > unreal are the Chilean bromeliad Puya alpestris and the tropical vine > Strongylodon macrobotrys. > > I was slowly thumbing through that new Iris book I mentioned a little > while ago, and in the chapter on Pacific Coast Hybrids, in the > description for the species Iris munzii, it described their typical > color range and then said: "..., but in cultivation they can be > turquoise to deep sky blue." These two colors are often what some > people will use when trying to describe the color cyan. So my > cyan-flower alert went off, and I decided to ask this knowledgeable > group if they have seen these flowers and if what the author is > describing here might be a cyan colored Iris? Does anyone have photos > of it or know where there might be photos of this on the web? Is it > cyan enough to include in the cyan-colored-flower list? > > Thanks, > --Lee Poulsen > Pasadena, California, USDA Zone 10a > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > -- ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 566 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com/pro for free now! From ron_redding@hotmail.com Thu May 18 03:26:57 2006 Message-Id: From: "Ronald Redding" Subject: roots for my pamianthe Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 17:26:52 +1000 Marie-Paule, I am finding that the plants that I have grown from seed, now one and a half years old are starting to take off. I have had a lot of causalities and I have experimented with mixes that include my orchid bark, clivia mix, bromeliad, general bulb, course sand and worsleya mixes. I have found that although they have a similar general appearance and similar looking roots they hate the worsleya mix I use, although worsleya's absolutely thrive in it. They are growing well in a general mix that has at least 80% composted bark which is great as it is much cheaper for me to obtain. I believe they like mostly organic very free draining mixes with plenty of air space and they also will not grow roots into a medium they do not like All this being said I have also found you can have everything right with a pamianthe however when they are young they are still prone to going belly up. I wish you luck and can send you photo's separately if you would like. Kind Regards and Best Wishes Ron Redding Hervey Bay Australia _________________________________________________________________ New year, new job – there's more than 100,00 jobs at SEEK http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau&_t=752315885&_r=Jan05_tagline&_m=EXT From dells@voicenet.com Thu May 18 06:56:07 2006 Message-Id: From: Dell Sherk Subject: Pacific BX 119 Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 06:56:45 -0400 Dear All, The items listed below have been donated by people from all over the world, to be shared. If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at . Include "BX 119" in the subject line. Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money (cash, check, or Paypal to ; no money orders, please) you should send the PBS treasurer to defray our costs for packing and first-class postage. Some of you are members of the online PBS discussion forum but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO MEMBERS OF THE PBS. Consider joining the PBS so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website: .... Or contact me at dells@voicenet.com . If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS, please send CLEAN, clearly labeled material to: Dell Sherk 6832 Phillips Mill Rd. New Hope, PA, 18938 USA Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations. PLEASE NOTE: I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER.. IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! From Gary Meltzer: 1. (Repeat offering.) Seed of a Clivia hybrid. Photo at From Mark Wilcox: 2. Scaly rhizomes of Achimenes hybrid, pink. From Steve Putman: 3. Seed of Brunsvigia gregaria from Bill Dijk From Joe Shaw: 4. Seed of Hymenocallis lirosme. The Conroe type blooms earlier and is a smaller plant and has a smaller flower. The flower is not tiny because H. liriosme just has a big flower. However, I've brought them home and in the garden they remain smaller and earlier than any other form I've found. Perhaps the flower is 5 inches across, from spidery tip to spidery tip. 5. Seed of large-flowered H. liriosme. This form is typical throughout its range, and it blooms later by 2-4 weeks than the Conroe type. The precise seeds I'm sending are from Wallisville, TX and I've never found any forms that can make larger flowers. Exceptional flowers can be 9 inches across (rare), but 7-8 inches across is typical. The foliage is taller, about 24-32 inches, as compared to the Conroe type (18-24 inches). 6. Seed of Crinum bulbispermum Jumbo-type seeds The small ones can germinate just as well as the large seeds. All are from Jumbos that Marcelle Sheppard grew; all are from plants she decided are "keepers;" all are open pollinated. At the time of year that they bloomed little else would be blooming, so the Jumbos seeds I'm sending are called "pollinated by other Jumbos," or I suppose they could be apomictic seeds. Thank you, Gary, Mark, Steve, and Joe !! Best wishes, Dell --Dell Sherk, Director, Pacific BX From JFlintoff@aol.com Thu May 18 10:43:56 2006 Message-Id: <30b.534795f.319de229@aol.com> From: JFlintoff@aol.com Subject: Cyan colored Iris? Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 10:43:53 EDT Another near-turquoise iris is the old juno hybrid ' Sindpers ' ( aucheri x galatica ). Jerry John Flintoff Vashon Island,Washington,USA Zone 8 From butterflyamaryllis@yahoo.com Thu May 18 15:55:34 2006 Message-Id: <20060518195533.4580.qmail@web33902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: James Frelichowski Subject: roots for my pamianthe Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 12:55:33 -0700 (PDT) hello bulbophiles: I am not sure if I can give helpful advice but soil type is not the end all to healthy roots. Maybe more attention should be given to keeping the moisture level and temperature of the soil more constant. Wild fluctuations in either will stress the roots and inhibit their growth. Many times plants are put into black plastic pots and these can bake under a lot of sunlight and also cool off quickly at night. James Frelichowski Ronald Redding wrote: Marie-Paule, I am finding that the plants that I have grown from seed, now one and a half years old are starting to take off. I have had a lot of causalities and I have experimented with mixes that include my orchid bark, clivia mix, bromeliad, general bulb, course sand and worsleya mixes. I have found that although they have a similar general appearance and similar looking roots they hate the worsleya mix I use, although worsleya's absolutely thrive in it. They are growing well in a general mix that has at least 80% composted bark which is great as it is much cheaper for me to obtain. I believe they like mostly organic very free draining mixes with plenty of air space and they also will not grow roots into a medium they do not like All this being said I have also found you can have everything right with a pamianthe however when they are young they are still prone to going belly up. I wish you luck and can send you photo's separately if you would like. Kind Regards and Best Wishes Ron Redding Hervey Bay Australia _________________________________________________________________ New year, new job – there's more than 100,00 jobs at SEEK http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau&_t=752315885&_r=Jan05_tagline&_m=EXT _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. From jimmckenney@starpower.net Thu May 18 18:23:33 2006 Message-Id: <003601c67ac9$b2962f80$22002c42@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Iris graminea Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 18:23:31 -0400 I've added two images of Iris graminea to the wiki; take a look at: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/BeardlessIrises Although this is technically a spuria iris, this comparatively dwarfish plant has little in common from a horticultural viewpoint with big the garden spurias. It's often described as having a plum-like scent. When the flowers first opened, they had a waxy odor (I know, that's about useless as a description of scent). I checked them later, and they had not developed any scent which was at all fruity or floral. This is not a conspicuous plant. The leaves overtop the inflorescence, but the budded scapes do lean out a bit and so the flowers are not completely invisible. The photo was taken today, and that will give you an idea of where we are in the garden year. Other irises blooming now include I. pseudacorus, tall bearded irises, I. gracilipes and the Dutch irises of xiphium derivation. Jim McKenney Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, where crocus seed is ripening faster than I can collect it. From ConroeJoe@aol.com Thu May 18 18:53:06 2006 Message-Id: <443.e7afcf.319e54cd@aol.com> From: ConroeJoe@aol.com Subject: When, where, Hymenocallis, etc. Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 18:53:01 EDT In a message dated 5/18/2006 11:27:24 AM Central Daylight Time, pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org writes: > when will your new email take hold? Where did you get > all these H. liriosme seeds Hi Cynthia, and Gang, I collected 2 forms of H. liriosme. The Conroe, TX form is beautiful and an early bloomer. The first blossom this year was near mid-February. The plants generally grow in wet areas and while there might be late frosts don't seem affected--probably because the frosts are mild here and the standing water (4-15 inches) keeps freezing temperatures from actually affecting ground level plants. The Conroe form is a smaller plant; it remains smaller when grown in the garden. I think the Conroe plants are doomed. The only plants I know of grow in ditches along county or state highways, highways that are destined to become 4-lane in the near future. I've already seen 2 or 3 acres of habitat destroyed, and I presume my own neighborhood ruined many more acres of habitat. The boggy areas that H. liriosme enjoys (in nature) are drained, elevated, and leveled to make homes, businesses, and highways. The second seed type came from near Wallisville, TX. Wallisville is about 100 miles from Conroe (by road) and may not experience any frost at all in most years. It is very near the coast and Trinity River estuaries and so it estimate it is at least 1/2 climate zone warmer (right next to the Gulf of Mexico, whereas Conroe is inland 75-85 miles). Anyway, the Wallisville plants are larger and bloom later. In my garden the Wallisville flowers open 3-4 weeks after I see the first Conroe flowers. I estimate the real difference is about 2-3 weeks. However, I have seen a very few of the Wallisville plants blooming in early June; in contrast the Conroe plants finish by early- or mid-April and I've never seen them blooming later. Thus, I suppose that the difference between "peak" bloom periods is about 4-5 weeks, but outliers confuse the start times. It is tempting to speculate the 2 forms are different, perhaps species and subspecies. Yet, there is no hard data for such speculation. I've never found a population that blooms as early as the Conroe plants but, perhaps, if I extended my observations to north Texas or parts of Louisiana and Arkansas I would see that the various differences are part of a single species. My new email address (jshaw@opuntiads.com) works now. However, I have not changed all of my various subscriptions and business notifications etc. It is difficult to divorce AOL and it takes time. By the way, Marcelle Sheppard says, "Say hi to Cynthia and Boone." Cordially, Joe From jripperda@sbcglobal.net Fri May 19 00:02:42 2006 Message-Id: <20060519040242.46589.qmail@web82505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Jerry Ripperda Subject: Pacific BX 119 Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 21:02:42 -0700 (PDT) I request 1. (Repeat offering.) Seed of a Clivia hybrid. 2. Scaly rhizomes of Achimenes hybrid, pink. 3. Seed of Brunsvigia gregaria from Bill Dijk From jripperda@sbcglobal.net Fri May 19 00:04:52 2006 Message-Id: <20060519040451.41233.qmail@web82514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Jerry Ripperda Subject: Pacific BX 119 Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 21:04:51 -0700 (PDT) OOPS. Sorry for the "reply" _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php From JFlintoff@aol.com Fri May 19 01:12:37 2006 Message-Id: <3f4.2ec9c5a.319eadc1@aol.com> From: JFlintoff@aol.com Subject: Iris graminea Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 01:12:33 EDT Jim Iris graminea varies from completely unscented to strongly scented of ripe plums. Jerry John Flintoff Vashon Island,Washington,USA Zone 8 From dells@voicenet.com Fri May 19 06:13:58 2006 Message-Id: <20060519101358.3E1CE4C00C@lists.ibiblio.org> From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: Pacific BX 119 Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 06:14:18 -0400 I have received your order. Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, Director, PBX BS -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Ripperda Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 12:03 AM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] Pacific BX 119 I request 1. (Repeat offering.) Seed of a Clivia hybrid. 2. Scaly rhizomes of Achimenes hybrid, pink. 3. Seed of Brunsvigia gregaria from Bill Dijk _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php From marie-paule.opdenakker@pandora.be Fri May 19 12:56:08 2006 Message-Id: <003f01c67b64$fd9982c0$245ba551@kieken> From: "Marie-Paule" Subject: ro.for pamianthe Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 18:55:10 +0200 Hi,James and Ronald, Thank You very much for the information, I will try to give the problem child good attentions. Ronald, I would like please Your fhoto's that You mention. Kind Greetings Marie-Paule Belgium From rarebulbs@cox.net Fri May 19 15:45:18 2006 Message-Id: <000701c67b7c$bf2a0100$060db146@DJ9SK221> From: "diana chapman" Subject: 2006 Catalogue Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 12:45:13 -0700 Dear Friends: The web site has been updated for 2006: www.telosrarebulbs.com The 2006 catalogue was mailed out this week. If you would like a catalogue, please notify me privately at: rarebulbs@cox.net. If you ordered last year you will automatically get one. Diana Telos Rare Bulbs From cyrtanthus@blueyonder.co.uk Fri May 19 16:29:13 2006 Message-Id: <004601c67b83$652e4060$549130d5@cyrtanthus> From: "Dr Paul Chapman" Subject: Paramongaia about to flower - request for pollen Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 21:32:42 +0100 Dear All, Although I have been a member of this list almost since the beginning, most of you have probably never heard of me. Unfortunately my workload is such that, though I try to read all of the postings, sometimes it is several months after they were sent (I currently have 646 to read!). However, something is about to happen that I must report, and ask for your assistance. My Paramongaia weberbauerii is about to flower. Living in the UK, I grow it on a winter dormant cycle - it spends the British winter dormant in the clothes cupboard, simulating the Peruvian summer, and the British summer growing in my greenhouse, simulating the Peruvian winter! I was given the bulb on New Year's Day 2001 by Harry Hay, and it has flowered once before, either 3 or 4 years ago, I cannot remember. It is an offset from the clone from which Paramongaia was originally described, I believe in Curtis's Botanical Magazine. When it flowered previously, I tried to self-pollinate it, but no seeds were set. I suspect it is self incompatible. Does anyone have any pollen of Paramongaia from a different clone, that might enable my plant to produce seeds? I would of course share any seeds produced with the pollen donor. If there is no-one with Paramongaia pollen, I would be happy to try pollen from Pamianthe, its nearest relative - who knows what might result? There is no problem in sending pollen to the UK, and I expect the flower to open in 5 - 7 days' time. If anyone is able to help, please reply off-list. Many thanks, Paul Dr Paul Chapman, Wallington, Surrey, UK South London commuter belt suburbia - zone 9a, where we have had more rain in the last 2 weeks than we had in the previous 6 months. mailto:cyrtanthus@blueyonder.co.uk From eagle85@flash.net Fri May 19 18:14:37 2006 Message-Id: <9B55B256-E784-11DA-9939-00050277B6E6@flash.net> From: Doug Westfall Subject: Paramongaia about to flower - request for pollen Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 15:12:48 -0700 On Friday, May 19, 2006, at 01:32 PM, Dr Paul Chapman wrote: > Dear Paul, > > [Dr Paul Chapman, Wallington, Surrey, UK > South London commuter belt suburbia - zone 9a, where we have had more > rain > in the last 2 weeks than we had in the previous 6 months. > mailto:cyrtanthus@blueyonder.co.uk] > > > _______________________________________________ We have not corresponded in a couple of years. It is good to see an email from you. My Paramongaia bloomed just a few weeks ago and it was the largest, most beautiful flower that I have had in the four years that it has been blooming. If you have no success in getting the pollen, mark a "request for next year and I will remember to collect pollen to send to you. (Perhaps you could collect some from yours and send this way.) I will always remember sending pollen to you before and that it worked. Good luck with your pursuit. Doug From jimmckenney@starpower.net Fri May 19 19:38:09 2006 Message-Id: <001001c67b9d$498961e0$c5002c42@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Iris graminea scent Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 19:38:08 -0400 I spent time today at a local public garden where one of my clubs is setting up for a plant sale this weekend. Among the plants brought in for sale were some blooming clumps of Iris graminea. The donor went on about the plum scent. I took a sniff, and all I got was the waxy scent I get from the ones in the home garden. Several others present took a sniff. One claimed to get plum. The others agreed that the scent, whatever it was, was not floral or fruity. Later in the day I took a walk around the public gardens - I encountered a big patch of Iris graminea in full bloom. I got down on hands and knees and checked it out. The scent was that same non-floral odor. It's possible that we all are growing the same clone or seed raised strain. The plants and flowers certainly look very much alike. Also, when setting up the wiki entry for I. graminea, I noticed how much Iris anguifuga looks like I. graminea. Are they closely related? Is I. anguifuga simply the local I. graminea variant? Jim McKenney Montgomery County, Maryland, UDA, USDA zone 7, where a huge bouquet of garden peonies gives the house a luxurious, richly fragrant, late nineteenth-century opulence. From totototo@telus.net Fri May 19 20:12:38 2006 Message-Id: <20060520001236.F2HX0VR4SN@priv-edtnaa05.telusplanet.net> From: totototo@telus.net Subject: New Wiki Images Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 17:10:20 -0700 I've posted a series of bulb images to the wiki: 1. Camassia leichtlinii ssp. leichtlinii. This is the creamy, atypical type form reputedly found around Roseburg, Oregon. It is a seed-grown, single-flowered plant, not the double 'Semiplena' form usually seen. 2. Eranthis × tubergenii in a garden setting 3. "Little Blue Self Sowers", an image of my concentration camp for these charming pests. 4. Mandragora autumnalis. Maybe not a bulb, but I suppose I can plead "fleshy taproot". 5. Scilla peruvinana, the planting I described in late April. 6. Tulipa sprengeri in a garden setting. The picture is technically deficient in many ways, but may give a better idea of what this looks like in amongst other plants than do images more carefully composed. -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate on beautiful Vancouver Island From dacusc@eircom.net Sat May 20 15:30:02 2006 Message-Id: <001601c67c43$cbced260$0101a8c0@DCJYL81J> From: "Carl Dacus" Subject: Iris graminea scent Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 20:30:04 +0100 In this part of the. Ireland we would consider that the scent of Iris graminea was similar to ripe plums, scent would seem to be influenced by humidity , time of day, stage of flowering & temperature. Carl Dacus, Dun Laoghaire, Co Dublin. Half mile from the sea, minimum -6C over 48 hrs. I grow a wide range of South African (Summer & Winter rain fall spp.) & South American Bulbous plants. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim McKenney" To: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 12:38 AM Subject: [pbs] Iris graminea scent From totototo@telus.net Sat May 20 15:42:14 2006 Message-Id: <20060520194213.1526AQSP9F@priv-edmwaa06.telusplanet.net> From: totototo@telus.net Subject: New Images Revisited Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 12:39:35 -0700 Yesterday I prematurely announced the uploading of new images to the wiki, not realizing that you had to attach them to pages in the wiki. This omission has been corrected and you may now get at these new images via the wiki pages on Camassia, Eranthis, Chionodoxa, Mandragora, Scilla, and Tulipa. The page on Mandragora is altogether new. An entry for _Tulipa sprengeri_ has been added to the Tulipa page. -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate on beautiful Vancouver Island From aquaflorasa@telkomsa.net Sat May 20 16:36:28 2006 Message-Id: <012701c67c4d$19a64190$3ab1ef9b@p7d1p2> From: "Aqua Flora" Subject: Multipetal Oxalis Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 22:36:40 +0200 Hi, Can anyone tell me there are something like multipetal Oxalis? Thanks, Pieter South Africa From susanann@sbcglobal.net Sat May 20 22:28:30 2006 Message-Id: From: Susan Hayek Subject: New Images Revisited Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 19:28:17 -0700 >This omission has been corrected and you may now get at these new >images via the wiki pages on Camassia, Eranthis, Chionodoxa, >Mandragora, Scilla, and Tulipa. **URLS for the appropriate pages are: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Camassia http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Eranthis http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Chionodoxa http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Scilla and http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Tulipa >The page on Mandragora is altogether new. An entry for _Tulipa >sprengeri_ has been added to the Tulipa page. **The Mandragora page needs to be added to the table on the Photographs and Information page. For now you can simply go to: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Mandragora s. -- susan hayek, North Coast of CA, USA, zone 9b, Sunset zone 17. 15 miles south of Eureka, CA, overlooking the Eel River, with a peek of the ocean. From rvanderhoff@sbcglobal.net Sun May 21 01:50:57 2006 Message-Id: <20060521055056.44282.qmail@web81004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Ron Vanderhoff Subject: Multipetal Oxalis Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 22:50:56 -0700 (PDT) Pieter, I assume you are asking about double-flowered Oxalis (more than a single row of petals). Although certainly not common in the genus Oxalis, I have three double flowered selections in my collection: Oxalis magellanica ‘Nelson’ (very small, but fully double flowers) Oxalis compressa (a large, double flower form is uncommon) Oxalis pes-caprae var. flore plena? (a large, fully double flowered form) Although I do not have any, Oxalis cathara also certainly exists as a double-flowered form. I suspect there are a few other selections as well. Ron Vanderhoff In Southern California, where the March thru May temps thus far are 4.5 degrees f. below normal. Aqua Flora wrote: Hi, Can anyone tell me there are something like multipetal Oxalis? Thanks, Pieter South Africa _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php From jimmckenney@starpower.net Sun May 21 15:29:06 2006 Message-Id: <000d01c67d0c$d1f965a0$93012c42@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Dichelostemma volubile Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 15:29:03 -0400 The flowering of Dichelostemma volubile here this year was one of the highlights of the bulb year. This bizarre plant is already well represented on the wiki, but I've added one more image which shows the above ground parts of the plant. I apologize for the image - it's frankly grim, but it does accomplish its purpose. The light has been giving me a fit today; I may replace this image with a better one later. Take a look at: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Dichelostemma The plant which grows here is in a pot near a wall, and the inflorescence snaked itself very dodder-like up 47 inches into the vines on the house wall. When the scape was only about half that height, I accidentally bent it and at first thought I had severed it. But a tiny bit was still connected, and having read that even a severed scape will still lengthen and bloom, I carefully put it back into position - the plant never missed a beat and went on to flower. It's still blooming. When I was a kid I briefly had this plant confused with Bowiea volubilis, and until very recently did not have a clear idea of just how the Dichelostemma twined. I expected the entire plant to twine, but it is only the leafless scape bearing the inflorescence which does so. Jim McKenney Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, where next week may be the big week for Calochortus here. From angelasgarden@bigpond.com Mon May 22 06:46:25 2006 Message-Id: <000201c67d8b$ca0ccb00$061ffea9@com> From: "Angela and Dean Offer" Subject: Multipetal Oxalis Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 09:24:20 +0800 Hello, We have some in our garden, they should be growing soon, they are pink, and Im sure they have lots of petals, they are regarded as a weed here, I am happy to send a phot and bulbs if you wish Angela Albany Western Australia - heading into winter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Vanderhoff" To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [pbs] Multipetal Oxalis Pieter, I assume you are asking about double-flowered Oxalis (more than a single row of petals). Although certainly not common in the genus Oxalis, I have three double flowered selections in my collection: Oxalis magellanica 'Nelson' (very small, but fully double flowers) Oxalis compressa (a large, double flower form is uncommon) Oxalis pes-caprae var. flore plena? (a large, fully double flowered form) Although I do not have any, Oxalis cathara also certainly exists as a double-flowered form. I suspect there are a few other selections as well. Ron Vanderhoff In Southern California, where the March thru May temps thus far are 4.5 degrees f. below normal. Aqua Flora wrote: Hi, Can anyone tell me there are something like multipetal Oxalis? Thanks, Pieter South Africa _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php From aquaflorasa@telkomsa.net Mon May 22 14:46:53 2006 Message-Id: <017a01c67dcf$79204ca0$e0b0ef9b@p7d1p2> From: "Aqua Flora" Subject: Multipetal / Double-flowered Oxalis Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 20:37:53 +0200 Hi Alberto, Ron & Angela! The reason I am asking about the multipetal / double-flowered Oxalis is because I found a clump of yellow double-flowered Oxalis when I was hiking in the Oorlogskloof area last October. I collected a few bulbs, and they have started growing now! I was very excited about my discovery as I have never seen or heard of double-flowered Oxalis, but now it seems they are not as rare as I thought. Oh well! Thanks for the help! Pieter South Africa From maxwithers@gmail.com Tue May 23 13:53:45 2006 Message-Id: <44734C25.7050300@gmail.com> From: Max Withers Subject: Calochortus spp. and Tulipa linifolia Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:53:41 -0700 With a good deal of help from Mary Sue, I've made my first contributions to the wiki: two forms of Calochortus superbus and one of C. venustus. http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Calochortus I also added a better shot of Tulipa linifolia: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Tulipa I imagine I'll have to dig these tulips up and keep them in the 'fridge (freezer?) for my wet Zone 9 winters. Is there a standard source of information on this practice? PS: The resolution on these is a little higher than recommended, but the file sizes are under 100k, and I wanted to err on the side of detail. Max Withers Oakland 31" and counting From msittner@mcn.org Tue May 23 14:33:58 2006 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20060523105905.03342fb0@mail.mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Using the Wiki Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 11:33:07 -0700 Dear All, We are pleased to have all the recent activity on the wiki. Giorgio has continued to add a lot of wonderful Aroid pictures. Our Arisaema wiki page continues to grow and we now have so many different species illustrated and he is adding other Aroids too. Rodger Whitlock has added some very interesting text and a lot of additional reference books on bulbs to our Reference wiki page. Reading some of his comments since he gives his frank opinions makes me smile. Jay Yourch has been adding to the Crinum pages including many new hybrids and some wild species photographed in South Africa by Cameron McMaster. We haven't quite had time to complete the Iris page divisions, but will do so as we have time and are grateful to Jim McKenney's new additions and are happy to welcome Max Withers as a new wiki contributor. The more who contribute the more there is to share with all those people who are eager to learn more. Susan and I put in a lot of time almost every day on the wiki and this is a heartfelt plea to please follow the instructions about using the wiki. When we ask you to name the files a certain way it is so we can keep track of them and when we ask you to resize them a certain way it is so people with dial up connections and small screens can easily see them. If you follow your own rules instead of ours it just means that we have to change what you have done and that takes us time we could spend on something more useful. I know that more and more people have high speed connections and new computers and it is tempting to be able to send pictures that can be seen to their best advantage so I understand the desire to do that. Please just keep in mind that not everyone is equally fortunate in what they have. I'm repeating these instructions from the upload file page : Every image file of a plant should include the full genus name with the first letter capitalized followed by an underscore and then the species name in lower case, followed by a period and the file extension. Be sure there are no spaces in your file name, no strange punctuation marks or extra periods and to include the file extension (.jpg or .png). Because image files on the wiki must be uniquely named, we prefer that you append the name of your image with a number or your initials or a location. Example: Brodiaea_elegans_JD.jpg This would be a way to name John Doe's image of Brodiaea elegans. We used to be more permissive about how you named your files, but as our list of wiki images gets longer and longer it is difficult to keep them sorted when there are multiple ways of writing them. Sorting when some have a hyphen, some have an underscore, some have partial names, some have names that are written together does not put the same species together. Please try to keep your file size under 100 KB and the dpi (dots per inch) resolution no more than 72 dpi. The picture should not be so large it cannot be viewed on most screens without scrolling. This depends on the picture, but a pixel guide is a maximum of 600 pixels wide. Height should be no more than about 500 pixels. Some software programs have a 'save for web' option which allows for quick downloading. We sometimes don't take the trouble to change files that are a little out of these requirements, especially when we are extremely busy. But when the pixel size is way too large we either resize them or ask the person to resize a picture following the guidelines and add it again. Both make extra work for us. Thanks so much to all of you for your cooperation in this. Mary Sue From jan@boltha.nl Tue May 23 16:18:40 2006 Message-Id: <000e01c67ea6$1b344880$6964a8c0@BOLTHA.local> From: "Jan v.d. Berg, Boltha BV" Subject: Triteleia (Mary Sue Ittner) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 22:18:44 +0200 Mary Sue, Beautiful pictures you have taken. Especialy the forms of Triteleia grandiflora ssp. Howellii, Triteleia Hendersonii, Triteleia_lilacina, and Triteleia_montana. I don't think T. Tiger, named by The Robinetts, is an Ixioidis Form, because it has no offsets( The T. Ixiodis have ) it is blooming earlier than all the T.Ixioidis forms, and I didn't succeed to make crossings with it with the T.Ixioidis forms. Best regards. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 21:01:45 -0700 From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: [pbs] Triteleia To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20060512180754.01d65738@mail.mcn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi, I've added a lot of pictures to the Triteleia wiki page. Some of you may remember that I've been trying to understand, grow, and/or see in the wild many of our native Triteleias. It is a genus I love and at the moment it is blooming away in my garden. Three cheers for it! Recently we took a few days to view some of the Northern California wildflowers and saw some wonderful displays of flowers. Diana Chapman has raved about Table Mountain near Oroville for a number of years and we finally made it. The day we spent there will be etched in my memory somewhat like the day we saw Romulea sabulosa near Nieuwoudtville in a wet year. It was one of the more beautiful displays of wildflower I have seen. This year late rains meant there were annuals and bulbs blooming together. Table Mountain is flat as you might expect from the name and the soils are thin so that there isn't a lot of competition from trees or shrubs. There were masses of different colors of low blooming flowers. We also went to Bidwell Park in Chico at Diana's suggestion and saw a lot of nice native bulbs there and also nice displays of flowers in the Vina Plains, a Nature Conservancy preserve we just viewed from the road. I'll be adding pictures to the wiki probably slowly of some of the bulbs we saw in habitat. This is the first lot, the Triteleias. While I was at it I added pictures I hadn't gotten around to adding before, took off some older pictures that I thought I could improve on and added some new ones, including of some things blooming at the moment. The changes are a lot to announce so maybe those interested should just look at the whole page. http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Triteleia Triteleia bridgesii - new habitat picture from Bidwell, better picture of garden plants, corms Triteleia dudleyi - this one I didn't realize I never added to the wiki. It's found at high elevations, but I still am able to flower it so it obviously adapts even without winter cold. Triteleia hendersonii - this is getting more and more flowers every year so I replaced pictures to show this. I have some growing in a large pot in my raised bed with a Brunsvigia that has never bloomed. I didn't purposely do this, nor did I plant that Cyclamen coum that appeared as well. The later blooms for months in that same pot and then the Triteleia when the leaves of the others have disappeared. This Trit is fabulous. Triteleia hycinthina - improved pictures and pictures of corms Triteleia ixioides scabra - corms Triteleia ixioides Tiger from the Robinetts was supposedly grown from seed collected at Table Mountain so I added a picture of one taken there. My field guide called it T. ixioides ssp. unifolia, but that name wasn't recognized in Jepson as a separate species. Triteleia laxa -- We saw a white one in Bidwell park which is very unusual and a wonderful display being pollinated by black Pipevine Swallowtails near Vina. Also a picture of the corms I think of Queen Fabiola. I didn't make a note of which form. It's one of those laxas that multiplies vegetatively in huge numbers every year. Triteleia lilacina - Another favorite of mine with the sparkly center. This one we saw in Bidwell and on Table Mountain so have added pictures taken each place (one with a pollinator) and a picture of the corms which are more fibrous than most. Triteleia montana- Better picture and added a picture of the corms Triteleia peduncularis- Picture of the corms. The one I grow produces a lot of small sized cormlets that take a few years to bloom. Mary Sue ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php End of pbs Digest, Vol 40, Issue 10 *********************************** From roberth6@mac.com Tue May 23 16:55:53 2006 Message-Id: <7c91d5dbadac47d4c939ef9af3bebb9a@mac.com> From: Robert Hamilton Subject: Triteleia Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 06:57:30 +1000 Hi all, I took advantage of the seedex offering of Brodiaea and Triteleia seed from the Robinetts earlier this year. Getting the seed in our summer allowed me to sow fairly soon after it arrived. To this time 12 of 15 seed lots have germinated including two which were stored from 1994. The quantities of seed were very generous , but not expecting much germination I sowed into small pots (and directly to garden in 3 cases). Triteleia lilacina in particular has had mass germination and its pot looks like a small hedgehog! Cheers, Rob in Tasmania where its 7.00am and -1C outside ! From totototo@telus.net Tue May 23 18:33:28 2006 Message-Id: <20060523223326.99F4DWMQ4D@priv-edmwaa06.telusplanet.net> From: totototo@telus.net Subject: Erythronium revolutum and Thoughts on Moist, Wet, Damp, and Well-drained Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:36:33 -0700 I was browsing through the wiki and looked at the Erythronium page to see what it had to say about the species I'm familiar with. The comment was made about Erythronium revolutum that it likes damp, well- drained conditions. My own experience with this plant is that it likes to grow within sound of running water. In other words, it grows near streams. I've seen it thriving along Sutton Creek in sites that are clearly flooded during winter high-water. "Damp" and "well-drained" in the same breath may seem like an oxymoron, but the point it that while E.r. wants moisture, it doesn't want *stagnant* moisture. It's a streamside plant, not a lakeside or swamp/marsh/bog plant. At the same time, it takes fairly well to summer drought, as long as it doesn't get a baking in the sun like a Central Asian tulip. The same sites on Sutton Creek don't perhaps get as dry as does my garden, but plants collected there (well upstream from the BC govt ecological reserve!) have continued to thrive in the garden with little or no summer water. I will admit that the garden plants are not as robust in growth as they were in the wild. -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate on beautiful Vancouver Island From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Tue May 23 18:39:51 2006 Message-Id: From: Lee Poulsen Subject: Paramongaia about to flower - request for pollen Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:39:48 -0700 Hi Paul, I would have offered you some pollen, but I don't think mine are going to bloom this year. We had the weirdest spring I've ever experienced here in the last 15 years. I think the Paramongaias didn't like it one bit and so are boycotting this year's blooming season. From now on, I'm going to save some in the freezer just for cases like yours. (I suspect Doug grows his in a protected/inside environment. Mine do just fine outside (except when the weather falls too far outside the norm). If you have any spare pollen after everyone else's requests, I'd like to get some too. The one thing I've never been able to do is get seeds set and I suspect that mine all originate from the same clone as well even though I did get them from two different sources, both here in So. Calif. Hope all is well with you and your family, and that your workload allows you to relax every once in a while. --Lee On May 19, 2006, at 1:32 PM, Dr Paul Chapman wrote: > Dear All, > > Although I have been a member of this list almost since the beginning, > most > of you have probably never heard of me. Unfortunately my workload is > such > that, though I try to read all of the postings, sometimes it is several > months after they were sent (I currently have 646 to read!). > > However, something is about to happen that I must report, and ask for > your > assistance. My Paramongaia weberbauerii is about to flower. Living > in the > UK, I grow it on a winter dormant cycle - it spends the British winter > dormant in the clothes cupboard, simulating the Peruvian summer, and > the > British summer growing in my greenhouse, simulating the Peruvian > winter! > > I was given the bulb on New Year's Day 2001 by Harry Hay, and it has > flowered once before, either 3 or 4 years ago, I cannot remember. It > is an > offset from the clone from which Paramongaia was originally described, > I > believe in Curtis's Botanical Magazine. > > When it flowered previously, I tried to self-pollinate it, but no > seeds were > set. I suspect it is self incompatible. Does anyone have any pollen > of > Paramongaia from a different clone, that might enable my plant to > produce > seeds? I would of course share any seeds produced with the pollen > donor. > > If there is no-one with Paramongaia pollen, I would be happy to try > pollen > from Pamianthe, its nearest relative - who knows what might result? > > There is no problem in sending pollen to the UK, and I expect the > flower to > open in 5 - 7 days' time. If anyone is able to help, please reply > off-list. > > Many thanks, > > Paul > > Dr Paul Chapman, Wallington, Surrey, UK > South London commuter belt suburbia - zone 9a, where we have had more > rain > in the last 2 weeks than we had in the previous 6 months. > mailto:cyrtanthus@blueyonder.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > From totototo@telus.net Tue May 23 18:41:41 2006 Message-Id: <20060523224140.9CNUPGBN15@priv-edmwaa05.telusplanet.net> From: totototo@telus.net Subject: New Wiki Images: Tulipa sprengeri and Triteleia grandiflora howellii Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:44:47 -0700 I have added new images to the wiki of _Tulipa sprengeri_ and _Triteleia grandiflora howellii_ with a few remarks. Unlike my first attempt last week, these images have indeed been properly hooked up to the relevant page. There is some temporary difficulty with the image at http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/ Triteleia_grandiflora_howelli_RW_1.jpg but as soon as Mary Sue or Susan can get a chance, this mixup should be straightened out toot sweet. The new images of Sprenger's tulip capture the flower's glowing color. The image previously uploaded did not do so, though it gave some idea of how this tulip fits into the garden picture. The secret to capturing this tulip's color more or less realistically was to reduce the saturation on my little Sony digital camera, plus photographing it in full sun. Flower colors can be notoriously difficult to capture with any faithfulness, so this may be a useful formula for other PBS list subscribers having color troubles to use. -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate on beautiful Vancouver Island From msittner@mcn.org Tue May 23 20:17:31 2006 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20060523170913.02c6b2a8@mail.mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Paramongaia about to flower - request for pollen Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 17:13:50 -0700 I wrote earlier announcing that to my surprise mine was going to flower this year and it did produce a stalk but then it rained continuously and it eventually fell off before opening. My plant doesn't look happy at all. I find it very interesting the different times it blooms as mine looked like it was going to bloom in March. We had that warm weather in February so perhaps that fooled it. If Paul is reading this he will see that a lot of us California people who met him in person a number of years ago remember him and wish he had more time to participate. Mary Sue From eagle85@flash.net Tue May 23 23:39:53 2006 Message-Id: From: Doug Westfall Subject: Paramongaia about to flower - request for pollen Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 20:37:59 -0700 On Tuesday, May 23, 2006, at 03:39 PM, Lee Poulsen wrote: > (I suspect > Doug grows his in a protected/inside environment. Mine do just fine > outside (except when the weather falls too far outside the norm). Lee and Paul, Yes, this has been a very weird Spring (and winter). But, no, mine grow all year long outside. Our weather here in Long Beach MIGHT be a very little warmer than Pasadena's, but I not certain. Lee, we need to "coordinate" this process. Doug From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Tue May 23 23:52:23 2006 Message-Id: From: Lee Poulsen Subject: Fwd: Worsleya Cosh clones to USA Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 20:52:18 -0700 Some of you may not be on the other lists where this offer and effort to obtain Worsleya bulbs has been discussed, so I thought I'd send it out on this list for anyone interested who doesn't know about it yet. --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA, USDA Zone 10a Begin forwarded message: > From: "amstgrp" > Date: May 23, 2006 12:39:50 PM PDT > > The Worsleya Procera Group has made available some one year old > bulbs of The Empress of Brazil-The Blue Amaryllis- Worsleya > Reyneri now called Worsleya Procera due to new propagation > techniques of John Catlin of Australia. > > There are a few more of the Cosh clones available to the U.S. than > have been ordered by U.S. Worsleya members. If you are > interested, please email offsite to Bill Warren = ewohryn@yahoo.com > for price and instructions. The order is being sent this week. > > E. William Warren, W.O. [worsleya obsessed - also hippeastrum > obsessed] > From voltaire@islandnet.com Wed May 24 01:27:11 2006 Message-Id: From: Diane Whitehead Subject: Moraea bellendenii? Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 22:27:04 -0700 I saw a tall spotted yellow Moraea blooming in a Seattle garden two weeks ago. The petals swept back like a cyclamen. Could it be Moraea bellendenii ? There are two pictures of this in the wiki, but the petals are not recurved. -- Diane Whitehead Victoria, British Columbia, Canada maritime zone 8 cool mediterranean climate (dry summer, rainy winter - 68 cm annually) sandy soil From faeden4444@sbcglobal.net Wed May 24 01:50:17 2006 Message-Id: <20060524055017.84488.qmail@web82207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Marilyn Pekasky Subject: Moraea bellendenii? Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 22:50:17 -0700 (PDT) I might finally be able to answer a question!! At the UC Berkeley Botanical Garden we had a similar flower which needed to be identified a few weeks ago. With many emails back and forth, Mary Sue and I determined that ours was Moraea pendula, for which both PBS and IBS has good pictures of the flower. Mary Sue also wondered whether or not it might be Moraea reflexa, which she found in one of her field guides. I wrote Peter Goldblatt and asked him since he's the expert, and he replied as follows: " I suspect your plant will be Moraea pendula. What color are the anthers? Uusaly red in that species, always yellow in M. refelxa. Moraea pendula will [not] be in Cape Bulbs because that species does not occur in the Cape area, but a short distance outside it....How many leaves -- just one in M. reflexa, about three in M. pendula." Anthers were in fact red, and it had three leaves, so it's M. pendula. Hope this helps! Marilyn Pekasky Diane Whitehead wrote: I saw a tall spotted yellow Moraea blooming in a Seattle garden two weeks ago. The petals swept back like a cyclamen. Could it be Moraea bellendenii ? There are two pictures of this in the wiki, but the petals are not recurved. -- Diane Whitehead Victoria, British Columbia, Canada maritime zone 8 cool mediterranean climate (dry summer, rainy winter - 68 cm annually) sandy soil _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php From maxwithers@gmail.com Wed May 24 14:28:58 2006 Message-Id: <4474A5E2.1050408@gmail.com> From: Max Withers Subject: Using the Wiki Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:28:50 -0700 I just want to point out that gluttons for detail can always resort to flickr, which has become an extremely useful botanical site because of "tags". To wit, this 2272 x 1704 macro of what is probably a Calochortus venustus: http://flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=10787213&size=o (warning: 1.8 MB!) Which I found easily by going here: http://flickr.com/photos/tags/calochortus/ For calochortus, substitute whatever genus you're looking for in the url above. Of course your mileage may vary depending on what you're looking for, and the best pictures may not be properly labeled. There is also a search function, which works differently than tags: http://www.flickr.com/search/ Finally, there are many user-created groups of varying specificity. The plant-related ones are mostly listed here. http://flickr.com/groups/plantdirectory/ I hope I don't sound like too much of a shill, but I've only recently discovered how useful flickr can be. Max Withers Oakland > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 11:33:07 -0700 > From: Mary Sue Ittner > Subject: [pbs] Using the Wiki > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20060523105905.03342fb0@mail.mcn.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Dear All, > > We are pleased to have all the recent activity on the wiki. Giorgio has > continued to add a lot of wonderful Aroid pictures. Our Arisaema wiki page > continues to grow and we now have so many different species illustrated and > he is adding other Aroids too. Rodger Whitlock has added some very > interesting text and a lot of additional reference books on bulbs to our > Reference wiki page. Reading some of his comments since he gives his frank > opinions makes me smile. Jay Yourch has been adding to the Crinum pages > including many new hybrids and some wild species photographed in South > Africa by Cameron McMaster. We haven't quite had time to complete the Iris > page divisions, but will do so as we have time and are grateful to Jim > McKenney's new additions and are happy to welcome Max Withers as a new wiki > contributor. The more who contribute the more there is to share with all > those people who are eager to learn more. > > Susan and I put in a lot of time almost every day on the wiki and this is a > heartfelt plea to please follow the instructions about using the wiki. When > we ask you to name the files a certain way it is so we can keep track of > them and when we ask you to resize them a certain way it is so people with > dial up connections and small screens can easily see them. If you follow > your own rules instead of ours it just means that we have to change what > you have done and that takes us time we could spend on something more > useful. I know that more and more people have high speed connections and > new computers and it is tempting to be able to send pictures that can be > seen to their best advantage so I understand the desire to do that. Please > just keep in mind that not everyone is equally fortunate in what they have. From dells@voicenet.com Wed May 24 16:18:17 2006 Message-Id: <20060524201817.657E54C00B@lists.ibiblio.org> From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: Notes on growing crinum seed Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 16:18:37 -0400 Here are a few suggestions from Marcelle Shepherd and Joe Shaw on growing the crinum seed from BX 119: "Be sure to let members know that small seeds (pea-sized) are just fine but they may need a bit of extra humidity during the whole germination process. They are small and can dry out easily. Some folks put them in a ziplock bag with a teaspoon of water. Some folks cover the seed pot with plastic wrap. Marcelle uses peat moss and has several methods. The method I like best (from Marcelle) is to use a plastic cake container; you'll get such a container when you buy an inexpensive cake at a supermarket. Marcelle turns it upside down, puts in about 1 1/2 inches of not-too-wet peat moss, and then lets the seeds germinate; they don't even need to be too near a window. The peat moss retards most rots and the whole affair keeps humidity in. She never over wets the peat moss; if it feels wet then it is too wet. Seeds have lasted for many months for her on her laundry porch, well over 10 months, before they decide to germinate." Thank you, Joe and Marcelle!! BTW: packages are in the mail. Enjoy !! From dells@voicenet.com Wed May 24 16:40:01 2006 Message-Id: <20060524204001.4E2FF4C00B@lists.ibiblio.org> From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: CO2 for killing plant pests Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 16:40:25 -0400 Here is a link that one of our members sent me which I found most interesting! Here is the link http://www.orchidboard.com/node/5 Dell From robertwerra@pacific.net Wed May 24 16:42:54 2006 Message-Id: <002d01c67f72$9f104240$e8f20c45@popbob> From: robertwerra@pacific.net Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 40, Issue 21 Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 13:42:46 -0700 Regarding the tall yellow moraea, I grow M. bellendini and it doesn't have reflexed petals. I have never heard of Moraea pendula or M.reflexa and they are not in Goldblatt's "Moraeas of South Africa." I realize alot of other former genera have been lumped into "Moraea" and new moraea species have been discovered, but I wonder where one can find a current list, etc. of all the moraeas. Anyone knows? I would appreciate the info. Thanks. Bob Werra in finally sunny northen Calif. where my Moraea angusta is closing my moraea season with its wonderful evening performance. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 9:00 AM Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 40, Issue 21 > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post: <mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > List-Archive: <http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist> > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Calochortus spp. and Tulipa linifolia (Max Withers) > 2. Using the Wiki (Mary Sue Ittner) > 3. Triteleia (Mary Sue Ittner) (Jan v.d. Berg, Boltha BV) > 4. Re: Triteleia (Robert Hamilton) > 5. Erythronium revolutum and Thoughts on Moist, Wet, Damp, and > Well-drained (totototo@telus.net) > 6. Re: Paramongaia about to flower - request for pollen (Lee Poulsen) > 7. New Wiki Images: Tulipa sprengeri and Triteleia grandiflora > howellii (totototo@telus.net) > 8. Re: Paramongaia about to flower - request for pollen > (Mary Sue Ittner) > 9. Re: Paramongaia about to flower - request for pollen > (Doug Westfall) > 10. Fwd: Worsleya Cosh clones to USA (Lee Poulsen) > 11. Moraea bellendenii? (Diane Whitehead) > 12. Re: Moraea bellendenii? (Marilyn Pekasky) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:53:41 -0700 > From: Max Withers > Subject: [pbs] Calochortus spp. and Tulipa linifolia > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: <44734C25.7050300@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > With a good deal of help from Mary Sue, I've made my first contributions > to the wiki: > two forms of Calochortus superbus and one of C. venustus. > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Calochortus > > I also added a better shot of Tulipa linifolia: > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Tulipa > > I imagine I'll have to dig these tulips up and keep them in the 'fridge > (freezer?) for my wet Zone 9 winters. Is there a standard source of > information on this practice? > > PS: The resolution on these is a little higher than recommended, but the > file sizes are under 100k, and I wanted to err on the side of detail. > > Max Withers > Oakland > 31" and counting > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 11:33:07 -0700 > From: Mary Sue Ittner > Subject: [pbs] Using the Wiki > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20060523105905.03342fb0@mail.mcn.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Dear All, > > We are pleased to have all the recent activity on the wiki. Giorgio has > continued to add a lot of wonderful Aroid pictures. Our Arisaema wiki page > continues to grow and we now have so many different species illustrated and > he is adding other Aroids too. Rodger Whitlock has added some very > interesting text and a lot of additional reference books on bulbs to our > Reference wiki page. Reading some of his comments since he gives his frank > opinions makes me smile. Jay Yourch has been adding to the Crinum pages > including many new hybrids and some wild species photographed in South > Africa by Cameron McMaster. We haven't quite had time to complete the Iris > page divisions, but will do so as we have time and are grateful to Jim > McKenney's new additions and are happy to welcome Max Withers as a new wiki > contributor. The more who contribute the more there is to share with all > those people who are eager to learn more. > > Susan and I put in a lot of time almost every day on the wiki and this is a > heartfelt plea to please follow the instructions about using the wiki. When > we ask you to name the files a certain way it is so we can keep track of > them and when we ask you to resize them a certain way it is so people with > dial up connections and small screens can easily see them. If you follow > your own rules instead of ours it just means that we have to change what > you have done and that takes us time we could spend on something more > useful. I know that more and more people have high speed connections and > new computers and it is tempting to be able to send pictures that can be > seen to their best advantage so I understand the desire to do that. Please > just keep in mind that not everyone is equally fortunate in what they have. > > I'm repeating these instructions from the upload file page : > Every image file of a plant should include the full genus name with the > first letter capitalized followed by an underscore and then the species > name in lower case, followed by a period and the file extension. Be sure > there are no spaces in your file name, no strange punctuation marks or > extra periods and to include the file extension (.jpg or .png). Because > image files on the wiki must be uniquely named, we prefer that you append > the name of your image with a number or your initials or a > location. Example: Brodiaea_elegans_JD.jpg This would be a way to name > John Doe's image of Brodiaea elegans. We used to be more permissive about > how you named your files, but as our list of wiki images gets longer and > longer it is difficult to keep them sorted when there are multiple ways of > writing them. Sorting when some have a hyphen, some have an underscore, > some have partial names, some have names that are written together does not > put the same species together. > > Please try to keep your file size under 100 KB and the dpi (dots per inch) > resolution no more than 72 dpi. The picture should not be so large it > cannot be viewed on most screens without scrolling. This depends on the > picture, but a pixel guide is a maximum of 600 pixels wide. Height should > be no more than about 500 pixels. Some software programs have a 'save for > web' option which allows for quick downloading. > > We sometimes don't take the trouble to change files that are a little out > of these requirements, especially when we are extremely busy. But when the > pixel size is way too large we either resize them or ask the person to > resize a picture following the guidelines and add it again. Both make extra > work for us. > > Thanks so much to all of you for your cooperation in this. > > Mary Sue > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 22:18:44 +0200 > From: "Jan v.d. Berg, Boltha BV" > Subject: [pbs] Triteleia (Mary Sue Ittner) > To: > Message-ID: <000e01c67ea6$1b344880$6964a8c0@BOLTHA.local> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Mary Sue, > Beautiful pictures you have taken. > Especialy the forms of Triteleia grandiflora ssp. Howellii, Triteleia > Hendersonii, Triteleia_lilacina, and Triteleia_montana. I don't think T. > Tiger, named by The Robinetts, is an Ixioidis Form, because it has no > offsets( The T. Ixiodis have ) it is blooming earlier than all the > T.Ixioidis forms, and I didn't succeed to make crossings with it with the > T.Ixioidis forms. > Best regards. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 21:01:45 -0700 > From: Mary Sue Ittner > Subject: [pbs] Triteleia > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20060512180754.01d65738@mail.mcn.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Hi, > > I've added a lot of pictures to the Triteleia wiki page. Some of you may > remember that I've been trying to understand, grow, and/or see in the wild > many of our native Triteleias. It is a genus I love and at the moment it is > blooming away in my garden. Three cheers for it! > > Recently we took a few days to view some of the Northern California > wildflowers and saw some wonderful displays of flowers. Diana Chapman has > raved about Table Mountain near Oroville for a number of years and we > finally made it. The day we spent there will be etched in my memory > somewhat like the day we saw Romulea sabulosa near Nieuwoudtville in a wet > year. It was one of the more beautiful displays of wildflower I have seen. > This year late rains meant there were annuals and bulbs blooming together. > Table Mountain is flat as you might expect from the name and the soils are > thin so that there isn't a lot of competition from trees or shrubs. There > were masses of different colors of low blooming flowers. > > We also went to Bidwell Park in Chico at Diana's suggestion and saw a lot > of nice native bulbs there and also nice displays of flowers in the Vina > Plains, a Nature Conservancy preserve we just viewed from the road. I'll be > adding pictures to the wiki probably slowly of some of the bulbs we saw in > habitat. This is the first lot, the Triteleias. While I was at it I added > pictures I hadn't gotten around to adding before, took off some older > pictures that I thought I could improve on and added some new ones, > including of some things blooming at the moment. > > The changes are a lot to announce so maybe those interested should just > look at the whole page. > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Triteleia > > Triteleia bridgesii - new habitat picture from Bidwell, better picture of > garden plants, corms > > Triteleia dudleyi - this one I didn't realize I never added to the wiki. > It's found at high elevations, but I still am able to flower it so it > obviously adapts even without winter cold. > > Triteleia hendersonii - this is getting more and more flowers every year so > I replaced pictures to show this. I have some growing in a large pot in my > raised bed with a Brunsvigia that has never bloomed. I didn't purposely do > this, nor did I plant that Cyclamen coum that appeared as well. The later > blooms for months in that same pot and then the Triteleia when the leaves > of the others have disappeared. This Trit is fabulous. > > Triteleia hycinthina - improved pictures and pictures of corms > > Triteleia ixioides scabra - corms > > Triteleia ixioides Tiger from the Robinetts was supposedly grown from seed > collected at Table Mountain so I added a picture of one taken there. My > field guide called it T. ixioides ssp. unifolia, but that name wasn't > recognized in Jepson as a separate species. > > Triteleia laxa -- We saw a white one in Bidwell park which is very > unusual and a wonderful display being pollinated by black Pipevine > Swallowtails near Vina. Also a picture of the corms I think of Queen > Fabiola. I didn't make a note of which form. It's one of those laxas that > multiplies vegetatively in huge numbers every year. > > Triteleia lilacina - Another favorite of mine with the sparkly center. This > one we saw in Bidwell and on Table Mountain so have added pictures taken > each place (one with a pollinator) and a picture of the corms which are > more fibrous than most. > > Triteleia montana- Better picture and added a picture of the corms > > Triteleia peduncularis- Picture of the corms. The one I grow produces a lot > of small sized cormlets that take a few years to bloom. > > Mary Sue > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 40, Issue 10 > *********************************** > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 06:57:30 +1000 > From: Robert Hamilton > Subject: Re: [pbs] Triteleia > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Message-ID: <7c91d5dbadac47d4c939ef9af3bebb9a@mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > > Hi all, > > I took advantage of the seedex offering of Brodiaea and Triteleia > seed from the Robinetts earlier this year. Getting the seed in our > summer allowed me to sow fairly soon after it arrived. > > To this time 12 of 15 seed lots have germinated including two which > were stored from 1994. The quantities of seed were very generous > , but not expecting much germination I sowed into small pots (and > directly to garden in 3 cases). Triteleia lilacina in particular has > had mass germination and its pot looks like a small hedgehog! > > Cheers, > > Rob in Tasmania where its 7.00am and -1C outside ! > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:36:33 -0700 > From: totototo@telus.net > Subject: [pbs] Erythronium revolutum and Thoughts on Moist, Wet, Damp, > and Well-drained > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Message-ID: <20060523223326.99F4DWMQ4D@priv-edmwaa06.telusplanet.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > I was browsing through the wiki and looked at the Erythronium page to > see what it had to say about the species I'm familiar with. The > comment was made about Erythronium revolutum that it likes damp, well- > drained conditions. > > My own experience with this plant is that it likes to grow within > sound of running water. In other words, it grows near streams. I've > seen it thriving along Sutton Creek in sites that are clearly flooded > during winter high-water. > > "Damp" and "well-drained" in the same breath may seem like an > oxymoron, but the point it that while E.r. wants moisture, it doesn't > want *stagnant* moisture. It's a streamside plant, not a lakeside or > swamp/marsh/bog plant. > > At the same time, it takes fairly well to summer drought, as long as > it doesn't get a baking in the sun like a Central Asian tulip. The > same sites on Sutton Creek don't perhaps get as dry as does my > garden, but plants collected there (well upstream from the BC govt > ecological reserve!) have continued to thrive in the garden with > little or no summer water. I will admit that the garden plants are > not as robust in growth as they were in the wild. > > > -- > Rodger Whitlock > Victoria, British Columbia, Canada > Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate > > on beautiful Vancouver Island > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:39:48 -0700 > From: Lee Poulsen > Subject: Re: [pbs] Paramongaia about to flower - request for pollen > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > Hi Paul, > > I would have offered you some pollen, but I don't think mine are going > to bloom this year. We had the weirdest spring I've ever experienced > here in the last 15 years. I think the Paramongaias didn't like it one > bit and so are boycotting this year's blooming season. From now on, I'm > going to save some in the freezer just for cases like yours. (I suspect > Doug grows his in a protected/inside environment. Mine do just fine > outside (except when the weather falls too far outside the norm). If > you have any spare pollen after everyone else's requests, I'd like to > get some too. The one thing I've never been able to do is get seeds set > and I suspect that mine all originate from the same clone as well even > though I did get them from two different sources, both here in So. > Calif. > > Hope all is well with you and your family, and that your workload > allows you to relax every once in a while. > --Lee > > On May 19, 2006, at 1:32 PM, Dr Paul Chapman wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > > Although I have been a member of this list almost since the beginning, > > most > > of you have probably never heard of me. Unfortunately my workload is > > such > > that, though I try to read all of the postings, sometimes it is several > > months after they were sent (I currently have 646 to read!). > > > > However, something is about to happen that I must report, and ask for > > your > > assistance. My Paramongaia weberbauerii is about to flower. Living > > in the > > UK, I grow it on a winter dormant cycle - it spends the British winter > > dormant in the clothes cupboard, simulating the Peruvian summer, and > > the > > British summer growing in my greenhouse, simulating the Peruvian > > winter! > > > > I was given the bulb on New Year's Day 2001 by Harry Hay, and it has > > flowered once before, either 3 or 4 years ago, I cannot remember. It > > is an > > offset from the clone from which Paramongaia was originally described, > > I > > believe in Curtis's Botanical Magazine. > > > > When it flowered previously, I tried to self-pollinate it, but no > > seeds were > > set. I suspect it is self incompatible. Does anyone have any pollen > > of > > Paramongaia from a different clone, that might enable my plant to > > produce > > seeds? I would of course share any seeds produced with the pollen > > donor. > > > > If there is no-one with Paramongaia pollen, I would be happy to try > > pollen > > from Pamianthe, its nearest relative - who knows what might result? > > > > There is no problem in sending pollen to the UK, and I expect the > > flower to > > open in 5 - 7 days' time. If anyone is able to help, please reply > > off-list. > > > > Many thanks, > > > > Paul > > > > Dr Paul Chapman, Wallington, Surrey, UK > > South London commuter belt suburbia - zone 9a, where we have had more > > rain > > in the last 2 weeks than we had in the previous 6 months. > > mailto:cyrtanthus@blueyonder.co.uk > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:44:47 -0700 > From: totototo@telus.net > Subject: [pbs] New Wiki Images: Tulipa sprengeri and Triteleia > grandiflora howellii > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Message-ID: <20060523224140.9CNUPGBN15@priv-edmwaa05.telusplanet.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > I have added new images to the wiki of _Tulipa sprengeri_ and > _Triteleia grandiflora howellii_ with a few remarks. Unlike my first > attempt last week, these images have indeed been properly hooked up > to the relevant page. > > There is some temporary difficulty with the image at > > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/ > Triteleia_grandiflora_howelli_RW_1.jpg > > but as soon as Mary Sue or Susan can get a chance, this mixup should > be straightened out toot sweet. > > > > The new images of Sprenger's tulip capture the flower's glowing > color. The image previously uploaded did not do so, though it gave > some idea of how this tulip fits into the garden picture. > > The secret to capturing this tulip's color more or less realistically > was to reduce the saturation on my little Sony digital camera, plus > photographing it in full sun. Flower colors can be notoriously > difficult to capture with any faithfulness, so this may be a useful > formula for other PBS list subscribers having color troubles to use. > > > -- > Rodger Whitlock > Victoria, British Columbia, Canada > Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate > > on beautiful Vancouver Island > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 17:13:50 -0700 > From: Mary Sue Ittner > Subject: Re: [pbs] Paramongaia about to flower - request for pollen > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20060523170913.02c6b2a8@mail.mcn.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > I wrote earlier announcing that to my surprise mine was going to flower > this year and it did produce a stalk but then it rained continuously and it > eventually fell off before opening. My plant doesn't look happy at all. I > find it very interesting the different times it blooms as mine looked like > it was going to bloom in March. We had that warm weather in February so > perhaps that fooled it. If Paul is reading this he will see that a lot of > us California people who met him in person a number of years ago remember > him and wish he had more time to participate. > > Mary Sue > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 20:37:59 -0700 > From: Doug Westfall > Subject: Re: [pbs] Paramongaia about to flower - request for pollen > To: Lee Poulsen > Cc: Pacific Bulb Society > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2006, at 03:39 PM, Lee Poulsen wrote: > > > (I suspect > > Doug grows his in a protected/inside environment. Mine do just fine > > outside (except when the weather falls too far outside the norm). > > Lee and Paul, > > Yes, this has been a very weird Spring (and winter). But, no, mine grow > all year long outside. Our weather here in Long Beach MIGHT be a very > little warmer than Pasadena's, but I not certain. > > Lee, we need to "coordinate" this process. > > Doug > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 20:52:18 -0700 > From: Lee Poulsen > Subject: [pbs] Fwd: Worsleya Cosh clones to USA > To: PBS Society > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Some of you may not be on the other lists where this offer and effort > to obtain Worsleya bulbs has been discussed, so I thought I'd send it > out on this list for anyone interested who doesn't know about it yet. > > --Lee Poulsen > Pasadena, California, USA, USDA Zone 10a > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: "amstgrp" > > Date: May 23, 2006 12:39:50 PM PDT > > > > The Worsleya Procera Group has made available some one year old > > bulbs of The Empress of Brazil-The Blue Amaryllis- Worsleya > > Reyneri now called Worsleya Procera due to new propagation > > techniques of John Catlin of Australia. > > > > There are a few more of the Cosh clones available to the U.S. than > > have been ordered by U.S. Worsleya members. If you are > > interested, please email offsite to Bill Warren = ewohryn@yahoo.com > > for price and instructions. The order is being sent this week. > > > > E. William Warren, W.O. [worsleya obsessed - also hippeastrum > > obsessed] > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 22:27:04 -0700 > From: Diane Whitehead > Subject: [pbs] Moraea bellendenii? > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > I saw a tall spotted yellow Moraea blooming in a Seattle garden two > weeks ago. The petals swept back like a cyclamen. Could it be > Moraea bellendenii ? There are two pictures of this in the wiki, but > the petals are not recurved. > > -- > Diane Whitehead Victoria, British Columbia, Canada > maritime zone 8 > cool mediterranean climate (dry summer, rainy winter - 68 cm annually) > sandy soil > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 22:50:17 -0700 (PDT) > From: Marilyn Pekasky > Subject: Re: [pbs] Moraea bellendenii? > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Message-ID: <20060524055017.84488.qmail@web82207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > I might finally be able to answer a question!! At the UC Berkeley Botanical Garden we had a similar flower which needed to be identified a few weeks ago. With many emails back and forth, Mary Sue and I determined that ours was Moraea pendula, for which both PBS and IBS has good pictures of the flower. Mary Sue also wondered whether or not it might be Moraea reflexa, which she found in one of her field guides. I wrote Peter Goldblatt and asked him since he's the expert, and he replied as follows: > " I suspect your plant will be Moraea pendula. What color are the anthers? Uusaly red in that species, always yellow in M. refelxa. Moraea pendula will [not] be in Cape Bulbs because that species does not occur in the Cape area, but a short distance outside it....How many leaves -- just one in M. reflexa, about three in M. pendula." > Anthers were in fact red, and it had three leaves, so it's M. pendula. Hope this helps! > > Marilyn Pekasky > > > Diane Whitehead wrote: > I saw a tall spotted yellow Moraea blooming in a Seattle garden two > weeks ago. The petals swept back like a cyclamen. Could it be > Moraea bellendenii ? There are two pictures of this in the wiki, but > the petals are not recurved. > > -- > Diane Whitehead Victoria, British Columbia, Canada > maritime zone 8 > cool mediterranean climate (dry summer, rainy winter - 68 cm annually) > sandy soil > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 40, Issue 21 > *********************************** From faeden4444@sbcglobal.net Wed May 24 17:26:36 2006 Message-Id: <20060524212635.34558.qmail@web82207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Marilyn Pekasky Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 40, Issue 21 Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 14:26:35 -0700 (PDT) Moraea pendula and M. reflexa aren't in Goldblatt's Moraea book because they used to be in the genus Homeria, which has for the most part now been subsumed into Moraea. I have LOTS of bulb books, including the Moraea book and several others of Goldblatt's, and I too had a very difficult time finding any information about this plant. Dr. Goldblatt told me that M. pendula wasn't in the Cape books because it grows just outside of the Cape, in the Kamiesberg area of Namaqualand. If anyone knows where there is a new list I'd like to know too. robertwerra@pacific.net wrote: Regarding the tall yellow moraea, I grow M. bellendini and it doesn't have reflexed petals. I have never heard of Moraea pendula or M.reflexa and they are not in Goldblatt's "Moraeas of South Africa." I realize alot of other former genera have been lumped into "Moraea" and new moraea species have been discovered, but I wonder where one can find a current list, etc. of all the moraeas. Anyone knows? I would appreciate the info. Thanks. Bob Werra in finally sunny northen Calif. where my Moraea angusta is closing my moraea season with its wonderful evening performance. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 9:00 AM Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 40, Issue 21 > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post: > List-Archive: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Calochortus spp. and Tulipa linifolia (Max Withers) > 2. Using the Wiki (Mary Sue Ittner) > 3. Triteleia (Mary Sue Ittner) (Jan v.d. Berg, Boltha BV) > 4. Re: Triteleia (Robert Hamilton) > 5. Erythronium revolutum and Thoughts on Moist, Wet, Damp, and > Well-drained (totototo@telus.net) > 6. Re: Paramongaia about to flower - request for pollen (Lee Poulsen) > 7. New Wiki Images: Tulipa sprengeri and Triteleia grandiflora > howellii (totototo@telus.net) > 8. Re: Paramongaia about to flower - request for pollen > (Mary Sue Ittner) > 9. Re: Paramongaia about to flower - request for pollen > (Doug Westfall) > 10. Fwd: Worsleya Cosh clones to USA (Lee Poulsen) > 11. Moraea bellendenii? (Diane Whitehead) > 12. Re: Moraea bellendenii? (Marilyn Pekasky) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:53:41 -0700 > From: Max Withers > Subject: [pbs] Calochortus spp. and Tulipa linifolia > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: <44734C25.7050300@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > With a good deal of help from Mary Sue, I've made my first contributions > to the wiki: > two forms of Calochortus superbus and one of C. venustus. > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Calochortus > > I also added a better shot of Tulipa linifolia: > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Tulipa > > I imagine I'll have to dig these tulips up and keep them in the 'fridge > (freezer?) for my wet Zone 9 winters. Is there a standard source of > information on this practice? > > PS: The resolution on these is a little higher than recommended, but the > file sizes are under 100k, and I wanted to err on the side of detail. > > Max Withers > Oakland > 31" and counting > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 11:33:07 -0700 > From: Mary Sue Ittner > Subject: [pbs] Using the Wiki > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20060523105905.03342fb0@mail.mcn.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Dear All, > > We are pleased to have all the recent activity on the wiki. Giorgio has > continued to add a lot of wonderful Aroid pictures. Our Arisaema wiki page > continues to grow and we now have so many different species illustrated and > he is adding other Aroids too. Rodger Whitlock has added some very > interesting text and a lot of additional reference books on bulbs to our > Reference wiki page. Reading some of his comments since he gives his frank > opinions makes me smile. Jay Yourch has been adding to the Crinum pages > including many new hybrids and some wild species photographed in South > Africa by Cameron McMaster. We haven't quite had time to complete the Iris > page divisions, but will do so as we have time and are grateful to Jim > McKenney's new additions and are happy to welcome Max Withers as a new wiki > contributor. The more who contribute the more there is to share with all > those people who are eager to learn more. > > Susan and I put in a lot of time almost every day on the wiki and this is a > heartfelt plea to please follow the instructions about using the wiki. When > we ask you to name the files a certain way it is so we can keep track of > them and when we ask you to resize them a certain way it is so people with > dial up connections and small screens can easily see them. If you follow > your own rules instead of ours it just means that we have to change what > you have done and that takes us time we could spend on something more > useful. I know that more and more people have high speed connections and > new computers and it is tempting to be able to send pictures that can be > seen to their best advantage so I understand the desire to do that. Please > just keep in mind that not everyone is equally fortunate in what they have. > > I'm repeating these instructions from the upload file page : > Every image file of a plant should include the full genus name with the > first letter capitalized followed by an underscore and then the species > name in lower case, followed by a period and the file extension. Be sure > there are no spaces in your file name, no strange punctuation marks or > extra periods and to include the file extension (.jpg or .png). Because > image files on the wiki must be uniquely named, we prefer that you append > the name of your image with a number or your initials or a > location. Example: Brodiaea_elegans_JD.jpg This would be a way to name > John Doe's image of Brodiaea elegans. We used to be more permissive about > how you named your files, but as our list of wiki images gets longer and > longer it is difficult to keep them sorted when there are multiple ways of > writing them. Sorting when some have a hyphen, some have an underscore, > some have partial names, some have names that are written together does not > put the same species together. > > Please try to keep your file size under 100 KB and the dpi (dots per inch) > resolution no more than 72 dpi. The picture should not be so large it > cannot be viewed on most screens without scrolling. This depends on the > picture, but a pixel guide is a maximum of 600 pixels wide. Height should > be no more than about 500 pixels. Some software programs have a 'save for > web' option which allows for quick downloading. > > We sometimes don't take the trouble to change files that are a little out > of these requirements, especially when we are extremely busy. But when the > pixel size is way too large we either resize them or ask the person to > resize a picture following the guidelines and add it again. Both make extra > work for us. > > Thanks so much to all of you for your cooperation in this. > > Mary Sue > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 22:18:44 +0200 > From: "Jan v.d. Berg, Boltha BV" > Subject: [pbs] Triteleia (Mary Sue Ittner) > To: > Message-ID: <000e01c67ea6$1b344880$6964a8c0@BOLTHA.local> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Mary Sue, > Beautiful pictures you have taken. > Especialy the forms of Triteleia grandiflora ssp. Howellii, Triteleia > Hendersonii, Triteleia_lilacina, and Triteleia_montana. I don't think T. > Tiger, named by The Robinetts, is an Ixioidis Form, because it has no > offsets( The T. Ixiodis have ) it is blooming earlier than all the > T.Ixioidis forms, and I didn't succeed to make crossings with it with the > T.Ixioidis forms. > Best regards. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 21:01:45 -0700 > From: Mary Sue Ittner > Subject: [pbs] Triteleia > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20060512180754.01d65738@mail.mcn.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Hi, > > I've added a lot of pictures to the Triteleia wiki page. Some of you may > remember that I've been trying to understand, grow, and/or see in the wild > many of our native Triteleias. It is a genus I love and at the moment it is > blooming away in my garden. Three cheers for it! > > Recently we took a few days to view some of the Northern California > wildflowers and saw some wonderful displays of flowers. Diana Chapman has > raved about Table Mountain near Oroville for a number of years and we > finally made it. The day we spent there will be etched in my memory > somewhat like the day we saw Romulea sabulosa near Nieuwoudtville in a wet > year. It was one of the more beautiful displays of wildflower I have seen. > This year late rains meant there were annuals and bulbs blooming together. > Table Mountain is flat as you might expect from the name and the soils are > thin so that there isn't a lot of competition from trees or shrubs. There > were masses of different colors of low blooming flowers. > > We also went to Bidwell Park in Chico at Diana's suggestion and saw a lot > of nice native bulbs there and also nice displays of flowers in the Vina > Plains, a Nature Conservancy preserve we just viewed from the road. I'll be > adding pictures to the wiki probably slowly of some of the bulbs we saw in > habitat. This is the first lot, the Triteleias. While I was at it I added > pictures I hadn't gotten around to adding before, took off some older > pictures that I thought I could improve on and added some new ones, > including of some things blooming at the moment. > > The changes are a lot to announce so maybe those interested should just > look at the whole page. > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Triteleia > > Triteleia bridgesii - new habitat picture from Bidwell, better picture of > garden plants, corms > > Triteleia dudleyi - this one I didn't realize I never added to the wiki. > It's found at high elevations, but I still am able to flower it so it > obviously adapts even without winter cold. > > Triteleia hendersonii - this is getting more and more flowers every year so > I replaced pictures to show this. I have some growing in a large pot in my > raised bed with a Brunsvigia that has never bloomed. I didn't purposely do > this, nor did I plant that Cyclamen coum that appeared as well. The later > blooms for months in that same pot and then the Triteleia when the leaves > of the others have disappeared. This Trit is fabulous. > > Triteleia hycinthina - improved pictures and pictures of corms > > Triteleia ixioides scabra - corms > > Triteleia ixioides Tiger from the Robinetts was supposedly grown from seed > collected at Table Mountain so I added a picture of one taken there. My > field guide called it T. ixioides ssp. unifolia, but that name wasn't > recognized in Jepson as a separate species. > > Triteleia laxa -- We saw a white one in Bidwell park which is very > unusual and a wonderful display being pollinated by black Pipevine > Swallowtails near Vina. Also a picture of the corms I think of Queen > Fabiola. I didn't make a note of which form. It's one of those laxas that > multiplies vegetatively in huge numbers every year. > > Triteleia lilacina - Another favorite of mine with the sparkly center. This > one we saw in Bidwell and on Table Mountain so have added pictures taken > each place (one with a pollinator) and a picture of the corms which are > more fibrous than most. > > Triteleia montana- Better picture and added a picture of the corms > > Triteleia peduncularis- Picture of the corms. The one I grow produces a lot > of small sized cormlets that take a few years to bloom. > > Mary Sue > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 40, Issue 10 > *********************************** > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 06:57:30 +1000 > From: Robert Hamilton > Subject: Re: [pbs] Triteleia > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Message-ID: <7c91d5dbadac47d4c939ef9af3bebb9a@mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > > Hi all, > > I took advantage of the seedex offering of Brodiaea and Triteleia > seed from the Robinetts earlier this year. Getting the seed in our > summer allowed me to sow fairly soon after it arrived. > > To this time 12 of 15 seed lots have germinated including two which > were stored from 1994. The quantities of seed were very generous > , but not expecting much germination I sowed into small pots (and > directly to garden in 3 cases). Triteleia lilacina in particular has > had mass germination and its pot looks like a small hedgehog! > > Cheers, > > Rob in Tasmania where its 7.00am and -1C outside ! > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:36:33 -0700 > From: totototo@telus.net > Subject: [pbs] Erythronium revolutum and Thoughts on Moist, Wet, Damp, > and Well-drained > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Message-ID: <20060523223326.99F4DWMQ4D@priv-edmwaa06.telusplanet.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > I was browsing through the wiki and looked at the Erythronium page to > see what it had to say about the species I'm familiar with. The > comment was made about Erythronium revolutum that it likes damp, well- > drained conditions. > > My own experience with this plant is that it likes to grow within > sound of running water. In other words, it grows near streams. I've > seen it thriving along Sutton Creek in sites that are clearly flooded > during winter high-water. > > "Damp" and "well-drained" in the same breath may seem like an > oxymoron, but the point it that while E.r. wants moisture, it doesn't > want *stagnant* moisture. It's a streamside plant, not a lakeside or > swamp/marsh/bog plant. > > At the same time, it takes fairly well to summer drought, as long as > it doesn't get a baking in the sun like a Central Asian tulip. The > same sites on Sutton Creek don't perhaps get as dry as does my > garden, but plants collected there (well upstream from the BC govt > ecological reserve!) have continued to thrive in the garden with > little or no summer water. I will admit that the garden plants are > not as robust in growth as they were in the wild. > > > -- > Rodger Whitlock > Victoria, British Columbia, Canada > Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate > > on beautiful Vancouver Island > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:39:48 -0700 > From: Lee Poulsen > Subject: Re: [pbs] Paramongaia about to flower - request for pollen > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > Hi Paul, > > I would have offered you some pollen, but I don't think mine are going > to bloom this year. We had the weirdest spring I've ever experienced > here in the last 15 years. I think the Paramongaias didn't like it one > bit and so are boycotting this year's blooming season. From now on, I'm > going to save some in the freezer just for cases like yours. (I suspect > Doug grows his in a protected/inside environment. Mine do just fine > outside (except when the weather falls too far outside the norm). If > you have any spare pollen after everyone else's requests, I'd like to > get some too. The one thing I've never been able to do is get seeds set > and I suspect that mine all originate from the same clone as well even > though I did get them from two different sources, both here in So. > Calif. > > Hope all is well with you and your family, and that your workload > allows you to relax every once in a while. > --Lee > > On May 19, 2006, at 1:32 PM, Dr Paul Chapman wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > > Although I have been a member of this list almost since the beginning, > > most > > of you have probably never heard of me. Unfortunately my workload is > > such > > that, though I try to read all of the postings, sometimes it is several > > months after they were sent (I currently have 646 to read!). > > > > However, something is about to happen that I must report, and ask for > > your > > assistance. My Paramongaia weberbauerii is about to flower. Living > > in the > > UK, I grow it on a winter dormant cycle - it spends the British winter > > dormant in the clothes cupboard, simulating the Peruvian summer, and > > the > > British summer growing in my greenhouse, simulating the Peruvian > > winter! > > > > I was given the bulb on New Year's Day 2001 by Harry Hay, and it has > > flowered once before, either 3 or 4 years ago, I cannot remember. It > > is an > > offset from the clone from which Paramongaia was originally described, > > I > > believe in Curtis's Botanical Magazine. > > > > When it flowered previously, I tried to self-pollinate it, but no > > seeds were > > set. I suspect it is self incompatible. Does anyone have any pollen > > of > > Paramongaia from a different clone, that might enable my plant to > > produce > > seeds? I would of course share any seeds produced with the pollen > > donor. > > > > If there is no-one with Paramongaia pollen, I would be happy to try > > pollen > > from Pamianthe, its nearest relative - who knows what might result? > > > > There is no problem in sending pollen to the UK, and I expect the > > flower to > > open in 5 - 7 days' time. If anyone is able to help, please reply > > off-list. > > > > Many thanks, > > > > Paul > > > > Dr Paul Chapman, Wallington, Surrey, UK > > South London commuter belt suburbia - zone 9a, where we have had more > > rain > > in the last 2 weeks than we had in the previous 6 months. > > mailto:cyrtanthus@blueyonder.co.uk > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:44:47 -0700 > From: totototo@telus.net > Subject: [pbs] New Wiki Images: Tulipa sprengeri and Triteleia > grandiflora howellii > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Message-ID: <20060523224140.9CNUPGBN15@priv-edmwaa05.telusplanet.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > I have added new images to the wiki of _Tulipa sprengeri_ and > _Triteleia grandiflora howellii_ with a few remarks. Unlike my first > attempt last week, these images have indeed been properly hooked up > to the relevant page. > > There is some temporary difficulty with the image at > > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/ > Triteleia_grandiflora_howelli_RW_1.jpg > > but as soon as Mary Sue or Susan can get a chance, this mixup should > be straightened out toot sweet. > > > > The new images of Sprenger's tulip capture the flower's glowing > color. The image previously uploaded did not do so, though it gave > some idea of how this tulip fits into the garden picture. > > The secret to capturing this tulip's color more or less realistically > was to reduce the saturation on my little Sony digital camera, plus > photographing it in full sun. Flower colors can be notoriously > difficult to capture with any faithfulness, so this may be a useful > formula for other PBS list subscribers having color troubles to use. > > > -- > Rodger Whitlock > Victoria, British Columbia, Canada > Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate > > on beautiful Vancouver Island > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 17:13:50 -0700 > From: Mary Sue Ittner > Subject: Re: [pbs] Paramongaia about to flower - request for pollen > To: Pacific Bulb Society === message truncated === From brutem@mcn.org Wed May 24 18:43:23 2006 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20060524153818.02c2d948@mail.mcn.org> From: Bob Rutemoeller Subject: Posting by digest members Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 15:43:11 -0700 Hi, I am a long time lurker and do enjoy reading the exchanges. If you receive the "digest" of the list discussion, please use the "List-Post: bar at the top instead of clicking on "reply". When you just "reply" it copies the whole digest into your message, which then can possibly trigger another digest. Thanks, Bob Bob Rutemoeller brutem@mcn.org From Antennaria@aol.com Wed May 24 23:09:00 2006 Message-Id: <45b.17df980.31a679c8@aol.com> From: Antennaria@aol.com Subject: Iris cristata 'Shenandoah Sky' Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 23:08:56 EDT Following up on a previous discussion, I have uploaded 2 photos of of Iris cristata 'Shenandoah Sky'. Note, my plants are labeled as 'Shenandoah Sky' (vs. ... Skies), as offered by Darrell Probst's Garden Vision Nursery where nomenclature is of utmost importance. The plant is growing under Stewartia pseudocamelia, a tree with dense surface roots that inhibits underplanting. However, Iris cristata does well growing under this tree, because the the rhizomes are happy skimming over the soil's surface in the bark mulch. This is one of the better flowering forms of crested Iris, making a fine patch of deep blue in the garden now. The bright white signal spots really light up the floral effect. Here are two views: http://www.plantbuzz.com/rockgard/woodland/Iris_cristata_shenandoah_sky_2006a. jpg http://www.plantbuzz.com/rockgard/woodland/Iris_cristata_shenandoah_sky_2006b. jpg Mark McDonough Pepperell, Massachusetts, United States antennaria@aol.com "New England" USDA Zone 5 ============================================== >> web site under construction - http://www.PlantBuzz.com << alliums, bulbs, penstemons, hardy hibiscus, western american alpines, iris, plants of all types! From ajbroome@xtra.co.nz Thu May 25 01:05:23 2006 Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20060525170206.04f73be0@pop3.xtra.co.nz> From: Andrew Broome Subject: Multipetal / Double-flowered Oxalis Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 17:05:21 +1200 Pieter said, > I found a clump of yellow double-flowered Oxalis > when I was hiking in the Oorlogskloof area last > October. I, for one, would be very keen to see a photo. Of course, me being me, that goes for any Oxalis. Andrew, http://www.freewebtown.com/oxalis/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.1/347 - Release Date: 24/05/2006 From maxwithers@gmail.com Thu May 25 14:37:43 2006 Message-Id: <4475F972.5090900@gmail.com> From: Max Withers Subject: Multipetal / Double-flowered Oxalis Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 11:37:38 -0700 Speaking of Oxalis, I have some volunteers that bear an uncomfortable resemblance to O. pes-caprae, but the flowers are smaller and a darker yellow, leaves smaller and a darker green. I suspect O. stricta or corniculata, and I wonder how weedy it is in Northern California. It's a pretty little plant, but I've been traumatized by O. pes-caprae in the past. Do I need to eradicate it? Thanks, Max PS, Andrew, I just found this picture of a double yellow Oxalis (species unknown) on flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cobalt/132357054/ > Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 17:05:21 +1200 > From: Andrew Broome > Subject: Re: [pbs] Multipetal / Double-flowered Oxalis > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20060525170206.04f73be0@pop3.xtra.co.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; > x-avg-checked=avg-ok-494577F9 > > Pieter said, > > > I found a clump of yellow double-flowered Oxalis > > when I was hiking in the Oorlogskloof area last > > October. > > I, for one, would be very keen to see a photo. > > Of course, me being me, that goes for any Oxalis. > > Andrew, http://www.freewebtown.com/oxalis/ From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Fri May 26 02:31:44 2006 Message-Id: <64BF0DBE-B7C9-4480-B32C-7F74DFF89D2F@pacbell.net> From: Lee Poulsen Subject: Cyan colored Iris? Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 23:31:41 -0700 I just want to thank all the people who responded to my query, both privately and on the list. It has been very educational and now there are a few more candidates of cyan colored flowers for me to track down and view in person some day. --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA, USDA Zone 10a From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Fri May 26 03:47:16 2006 Message-Id: From: Lee Poulsen Subject: Starting from seeds vs. from bulbs Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 00:47:13 -0700 I know that many people recommend starting new, unfamiliar, or unusual species from seeds rather than from mature bulbs for a variety of good reasons, including things like freedom from viruses, the plant gets to adapt to your own particular climate starting from birth so to speak, no need for changing hemispheres for seeds from the opposite hemisphere, etc. I've started many different species from seeds over the years and have had great success. However, there seem to be the odd few where I have been spectacularly unsuccessful trying to start them from seeds while simultaneously and sometimes surprisingly having had no problems growing them starting with an already mature bulb. For example, it is almost embarrassingly easy for me to grow and multiply the various varieties of Tecophilaea cyanocrocus starting from just one bulb each. I treat them virtually identically to how I treat my Cape Bulbs on an annual basis. I've germinated seeds of T. cyanocrocus a number of times, and I germinate and grow them with my other Cape Bulb seeds that I'm germinating and growing. However, unlike the mature bulbs pots where each fall it seems that each bulb has added 2 or more additional offsets, very few to none of my pots of T. cyanocrocus seedlings bother to emerge in the fall/winter even though their neighbor Cape Bulb seedlings return to growth just fine. The few Tecos that do return grow just fine, but then finally disappear the second summer never to be seen again. From a different land of origin, Central Asia (aka the "-stan" countries), come some desirable bulbs. I debated even trying any of them because even though their springs, summers, and falls appear climatically similar to southern California's springs, summers, and falls. Their winters are much colder, freezing in fact, because of the very high elevations in that area. I've tried several different species from seeds from different sources several different times, and either because they need to be stratified or need the freezing winters, or something else?, they never germinate. However, in the case of two, the opportunity arose to obtain a mature bulb of each. These were Colchicum luteum and C. kesselringii. They both grew and bloomed their first year, but of course I expected that. But they have come back for two more years and both bloomed again each time. And they appear to be slowly getting larger in size. They both appear about halfway through our (relatively mild) winters. I've never gotten seeds of either of these to germinate. So I wonder what other bulbs might not germinate under my conditions, but the bulbs, if germinated and grown to maturity elsewhere, will find my conditions acceptable or even likeable to grow in and multiply once they get past a certain indeterminate stage? Have others experienced similar or analogous results with other species? Any good explanations as to why? --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA, USDA Zone 10a From john@johnlonsdale.net Fri May 26 06:29:59 2006 Message-Id: <000c01c680af$47bf2860$6601a8c0@INSPIRON> From: "John T Lonsdale" Subject: Starting from seeds vs. from bulbs Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 06:29:33 -0400 Hi Lee, With Tecophileas, whenever I've had seed it has germinated just fine and the babies have pretty much all survived to maturity. They have taken longer to get to flowering size than I would like, but I don't feed them as much as maybe I could. They are prone to rot if they have too much water at the wrong time, maybe this is where your seedlings went? It is one of those plants that can disappear en masse when they seem to have been sailing along merrily for many years. Contrary to some advice, I keep mine completely dry (but shaded) from late May to mid-September and am very sparing with the water until foliage is evident in early-mid winter. Those I have rotted have gone away because I've been too heavy handed in the fall with the water. Colchicum luteum and kesselringii are very different beasts to each other, although there's no obvious reason why they should be. (Here) C. luteum is a lousy grower as mature bulbs, barely persisting in most forms (in pots and the garden), although I have a couple that have flowered for two consecutive years. That is a major success. I've sown lots of seed batches and had nary a seedling. Seedlings have been lucky to come above ground their second year. In contrast C. kesselringii is very easy, inside or out, the bulbs flower reliably and build up vegetatively. It is also very easy from seed, even very dry seed, germinating 100% the year after sowing. It is the easiest of all the Colchicums from seed. Virtually all the seedlings make mature bulbs in 3-4 years. I must have 100 mature bulbs from seed that are now in sand beds in the garden. John T Lonsdale PhD 407 Edgewood Drive, Exton, Pennsylvania 19341, USA Home: 610 594 9232 Cell: 484 678 9856 Fax: 801 327 1266 Visit "Edgewood" - The Lonsdale Garden at http://www.edgewoodgardens.net USDA Zone 6b From arnold@nj.rr.com Fri May 26 07:07:48 2006 Message-Id: <4476E0DD.3080500@nj.rr.com> From: arnold trachtenberg Subject: Starting from seeds Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 07:05:01 -0400 I have a large crop of Colchicum seeds maturing on about 15 different species and hybrids. I have never been successful in germinating any of them. I'll be sending a batch along to Dell in the coming weeks. There may be a new variety in among the seeds. Many of the flowers are open at the same time in fall and the ants crawl all over the flowers as some of my photos on the Wiki Wiki demonstrate. I can't say if they actually pollinate the flowers or just feed off the nectar. Arnold New Jersey From msittner@mcn.org Fri May 26 11:04:49 2006 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20060526072710.03550c98@mail.mcn.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Offsets--Tecophilaea,Triteleia, Sparaxis Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 08:02:53 -0700 Lee's question about growing from seed is a very interesting one. He has told us in the past about how his Tecophilaea plants divide each year so that he has more and more of them. I have been able to germinate the seed I got from Bill Dijk and to grow it on, but my seedlings do not offset much at all and they have been very slow to bloom. Like John L. I have not been heavy on the fertilizer however. I've lost a few from the first year (normal for me for a lot of seedlings), but not many after that. I've now got all three varieties to bloom from seed, but never have massive blooming like Bill Dijk gets and even my mature bulbs do not offset much. I grow a lot of Triteleia and some of it offsets wildly. Recently when I added pictures of corms to the wiki Triteleia page I illustrated that. On the other hand others offset very little or not at all. Some times within a species I have forms that offset and some that do not. I was interested in Jan's comment that the Trieleia ixioides from Table Mountain that the Robinetts called 'Tiger' and my field guide from Table Mountain called ssp. unifolia (a subspecies not recognized by Jepson) did not offset for him. I looked at my records and found that to be true for me as well. I also get very few offsets from T. ixioides ssp. anilina, but most of the subspecies I grow offset to various degrees. T. ixioides ssp. anilina is a bulb I grow that surprises me like Lee's examples since I don't chill it and it comes back every year for me and blooms even though in nature it would be under snow and here it is being overwhelmed with rainfall. It doesn't often appear until January or February when all the other Triteleias have been growing for months however. I've had more trouble growing it from seed than the others but finally have a few seedlings and maybe an offset or two so at last many many years later I have more than the original three I purchased from the Robinetts. But it's been a slow process. A number of years ago I grew Sparaxis hybrids from seed. The variety of colors and markings that resulted was really fun. A few of them have never had offsets, whereas with some of the others each corm would produced three or four new ones each year. Diana Chapman has noted that some of her forms of Oxalis obtusa offset more than others. Whether a Calochortus forms bulbils or not is sometimes used as one of the ways to tell the species apart. I'm wondering if the ability to offset which would be an advantage if you are selling bulbs, but I often feel is not a desirable trait once you have as many plants as you want is considered a reliable way of distinguishing species. Would Lee's Tecophilaea that offset look different with DNA testing than some that did not? Mary Sue At 12:47 AM 5/26/2006 -0700, you wrote: >I know that many people recommend starting new, unfamiliar, or >unusual species from seeds rather than from mature bulbs for a >variety of good reasons, including things like freedom from viruses, >the plant gets to adapt to your own particular climate starting from >birth so to speak, no need for changing hemispheres for seeds from >the opposite hemisphere, etc. > >I've started many different species from seeds over the years and >have had great success. > >However, there seem to be the odd few where I have been spectacularly >unsuccessful trying to start them from seeds while simultaneously >and sometimes surprisingly having had no problems growing them >starting with an already mature bulb. > >For example, it is almost embarrassingly easy for me to grow and >multiply the various varieties of Tecophilaea cyanocrocus starting >from just one bulb each. I treat them virtually identically to how I >treat my Cape Bulbs on an annual basis. I've germinated seeds of T. >cyanocrocus a number of times, and I germinate and grow them with my >other Cape Bulb seeds that I'm germinating and growing. However, >unlike the mature bulbs pots where each fall it seems that each bulb >has added 2 or more additional offsets, very few to none of my pots >of T. cyanocrocus seedlings bother to emerge in the fall/winter even >though their neighbor Cape Bulb seedlings return to growth just fine. >The few Tecos that do return grow just fine, but then finally >disappear the second summer never to be seen again. > > From a different land of origin, Central Asia (aka the "-stan" >countries), come some desirable bulbs. I debated even trying any of >them because even though their springs, summers, and falls appear >climatically similar to southern California's springs, summers, and >falls. Their winters are much colder, freezing in fact, because of >the very high elevations in that area. I've tried several different >species from seeds from different sources several different times, >and either because they need to be stratified or need the freezing >winters, or something else?, they never germinate. However, in the >case of two, the opportunity arose to obtain a mature bulb of each. >These were Colchicum luteum and C. kesselringii. They both grew and >bloomed their first year, but of course I expected that. But they >have come back for two more years and both bloomed again each time. >And they appear to be slowly getting larger in size. They both appear >about halfway through our (relatively mild) winters. I've never >gotten seeds of either of these to germinate. > >So I wonder what other bulbs might not germinate under my conditions, >but the bulbs, if germinated and grown to maturity elsewhere, will >find my conditions acceptable or even likeable to grow in and >multiply once they get past a certain indeterminate stage? > >Have others experienced similar or analogous results with other >species? Any good explanations as to why? > >--Lee Poulsen >Pasadena, California, USA, USDA Zone 10a > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php From jimmckenney@starpower.net Fri May 26 11:34:25 2006 Message-Id: <000001c680d9$ddd85a40$97012c42@Library> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Offsets--Tecophilaea,Triteleia, Sparaxis Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 11:34:22 -0400 I'm following this discussion closely, because it related to some next steps I'll be taking. My Tecophilaea have by now died down for the year; the corms look fine size-wise, but there are no offsets. The attempts at hand-pollination were not successful, so my grand plans for Tecophilaeas-R-Us are on hold for a year and I'm keeping my resume updated. John L. answered one question I was about to ask: under eastern conditions, should they be dry during the summer - and for how long? They're drying out now. One of the problems or challenges those of us who grow from seed face continually is getting seed to germinate. One factor which contributes to the uncertainty here (i.e. the uncertainty about how to handle the seed to induce germination) is that we often don't know how the seed was handled before we got it. On Alpine-L this week Kristl Walek make the good point that she tries to save/hold seed in the phase it experiences immediately before the phase which induces germination. Do any of you have special seed-saving and germination routines which you practice? I'm not very sophisticated here about this: everything either goes into the refrigerator or the freezer until I'm ready to try it. That has given such generally good results that I have not been moved to try anything else. Jim McKenney Montgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, where Allium caeruleum is blooming and doing a good imitation of Jasione laevis and the Calochortus are doing a good imitation of California poppies. From janemcgary@earthlink.net Fri May 26 13:12:55 2006 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060526095833.00c4aa08@mail.earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: Starting from seeds Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 10:13:23 -0700 I also have grown a lot of Tecophilaea cyanocrocus from seed over the years, having started with 3 bulbs of the "typical" form (which may actually be a garden selection) and one of the "leichtlinii" form (which may actually have occurred in all populations). My plants usually set seed well without hand pollination. I have about 20 flowering bulbs in the frame now and usually have some extras to sell every other year. I also send seeds to the NARGS exchange. I keep the seed pots outdoors on my roofed deck as long as the weather is not actually freezing them hard and bring them inside once they start germinating. The problem is keeping them from etiolating (getting long and floppy), and you have to watch for aphids. Most of the seedlings make bulbs, but not all. Before planting the seeds, I store them (and all other home-saved seeds of the current year) in a paper packet at the back of a kitchen counter, but our summers here are NOT HUMID, as they are in eastern North America, so the seeds stay nice and dry as they would in nature. As for growing this plant, after reading about the recent discovery of surviving wild populations, I realized that it grows pretty much like a deciduous Lewisia in the mountains of California; so if you're growing Lewisia brachycalyx, say, you could treat the Tecophilaea the same way, and by chance I have these two plants nearly adjacent in my bulb frame. In regard to offsets, I think my bulbs about double in number every 2 years, or sometimes triple. In nature, it probably depends more on seed than on offsetting, since it grows in vernally moist areas that would be conducive to germination, and these soils, at least as far as I've observed in the region (I haven't seen the Teco. populations!), are quite poor in nutrients, so it would be advantageous for the plant to move around over the years by seeding. Regarding growing colchicums from seed, I have grown a lot that way, but the germination is almost always very erratic. You should keep the seed pots for many years. I keep them outdoors except during very cold weather, when I carry all the seed flats indoors. Some people think it's advantageous to dry the seed pots out in summer, but I don't leave them completely unwatered. When they do germinate, one tends to see several species emerge within days of one another, even if they were planted over 3 or 4 years. Like John Lonsdale, I find C. kesselringii easy and C. luteum very difficult, though the C. luteum I got from Janis Ruksans has now flowered 3 years running (it was damaged by low temperature this winter, though). Mary Sue remarked that some Triteleia (and I suppose related genera) species offset well and others don't, and I also noticed this. Most of them produce a lot of offsets, though, and are well worth trying. I think this pattern must be an adaptation to being dug up by gophers, bears, etc., though I don't find rodent predation a problem on this group of bulbs here, where gophers and bears are, fortunately, uncommon. And yes, clones that offset profusely are of course selected for propagation in the Dutch bulb industry, and this is one reason why some of them are invasive or seem to offset at the expense of flowering. Jane McGary Northwestern Oregon, USA From rarebulbs@cox.net Fri May 26 13:15:59 2006 Message-Id: <000801c680e8$0b86a7e0$060db146@DJ9SK221> From: "diana chapman" Subject: Starting from seeds vs. from bulbs Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 10:15:53 -0700 > I know that many people recommend starting new, unfamiliar, or > unusual species from seeds rather than from mature bulbs ... >> > However, there seem to be the odd few where I have been spectacularly > unsuccessful trying to start them from seeds while simultaneously > and sometimes surprisingly having had no problems growing them > starting with an already mature bulb. I must say that in the spectacularly unsuccessful category of seed germination I would put the tuberous rooted Tropaeolum species. I have had seed from Watson & Flores that germinated fairly well, but even though I get good seed production from my plants, I get almost no germination. Last year I tried nicking the seeds, as well as stratifying in the refrigerator, but got the same results. Does anyone have better luck? Diana Telos Rare Bulbs P.S. As Lee says, the plants grow well - for pictures see the Bomarea page on the web site: www.telosrarebulbs.com From janemcgary@earthlink.net Fri May 26 20:32:34 2006 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060526101852.00c39850@mail.earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: Eastern Erythronium species Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 10:21:28 -0700 An inquiry was forwarded to me from a botanic garden curator, and I can't answer it, so I am posting it here in the hope that some of our eastern North American members might be able to help him out. The two species mentioned are not federally listed, but their seeds probably do not remain viable in storage. ---------- Steve Vella of Mt. Tomah Botanic Gardens in Australia is looking for material of Erythronium rostratum and E. umbilicatum. His address is: Stephen.Vella@rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au -------------------- From ajbroome@xtra.co.nz Sat May 27 04:18:48 2006 Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20060527201536.0de3e010@pop3.xtra.co.nz> From: Andrew Broome Subject: Multipetal / Double-flowered Oxalis Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 20:18:46 +1200 Max said... > I suspect O. stricta or corniculata... Ox. corniculata (in its many varieties) is a weed worldwide and is a good guess. Photos would sort it out. As a hint, hardly any of the others set seed... Andrew. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.2/349 - Release Date: 26/05/2006 From arnold@nj.rr.com Sat May 27 11:17:58 2006 Message-Id: <44786DA5.4070205@nj.rr.com> From: Arnold Trachtenberg Subject: Japanese lily Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 11:17:57 -0400 Flowering today here in New Jersey http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Lilium Lilium rubellum Arnold New Jersey From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sat May 27 13:58:26 2006 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060527105804.00bd6500@mail.earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: Cover artist needed Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 10:58:27 -0700 I'm looking for an artist to illustrate the covers of the 2007 volume of the Rock Garden Quarterly. I would appreciate recommendations (or applications) from forum members. Artists receive payment (though not a large sum) for one-time use of their work. Please reply directly to me, not to the forum. Thanks! Jane McGary Editor, North American Rock Garden Society From totototo@telus.net Sat May 27 14:01:31 2006 Message-Id: <20060527180129.DBNMWLEKCC@priv-edmwaa05.telusplanet.net> From: totototo@telus.net Subject: Starting from seeds vs. from bulbs Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 11:04:33 -0700 On 26 May 06, at 10:15, diana chapman wrote: > I must say that in the spectacularly unsuccessful category of seed > germination I would put the tuberous rooted Tropaeolum species. I > have had seed from Watson & Flores that germinated fairly well, but > even though I get good seed production from my plants, I get almost no > germination. Last year I tried nicking the seeds, as well as > stratifying in the refrigerator, but got the same results. Does > anyone have better luck? I've managed to get several tuberous tropaeolum species to germinate, including T. polyphyllum from seed off my own plant. My standard method: soak the seed in water for a week or so before sowing, sow in a soil-based compost with 1/4" fine gravel over the seed, keep in a coldframe until it germinates or I give up and toss the pot out. Temperatures hover about 5C (41F) during the winter here, barring occasional spells of exceptionally balmy or exceptionally cold weather. The way my frames work (or don't work?) keeps the seed pots in them pretty moist, if not downright wet, all winter long. Pots of ungerminated seeds that are on the rare side and have largish seeds get dumped into a tray; I then examine the soil to see if the seeds are still there and looking viable, or have simply rotted away. If the seeds look good, they're re-sown. It's a long way from germination to a mature flowering-size tuber, however! T. polyphyllum is the only one I've successfully carried over long enough to get close to that state. -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate on beautiful Vancouver Island From john@floralarchitecture.com Sat May 27 19:37:02 2006 Message-Id: <20060527233701.59104.qmail@web36211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Floral Architecture Subject: Ammocharis problems Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 16:37:01 -0700 (PDT) I have a HUGE Ammocharis bulb that I recently got but it will not grow. It puts out a few leaves and then goes dormant again. It should be nice and green right now but it is not. The bulb was planted above ground (grown by a succulent nursery for caudiform people). I have thought about putting it into a large deep pot to see if that would help but I haven't done that yet. I am afraid it would get too much water here over the winter. But, I just thought there are several at the Huntington in the ground that are doing just fine and they get the same amount of rains I get at the beach, maybe more. Even with all the rains this winter, I was relatively dry at the beach and actually I had to do a lot of watering in more protected areas (clivia areas under the palms). Does anyone have experience with large old Ammocharis that might be able to shed some light on what I am doing wrong?? John Ingram in L.A., CA. www.floralarchitecture.com "Your Clivia Connection" john@floralarchitecture.com 310.709.1613 (cell, west coast time, please call accordingly. Thank you) From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Sun May 28 00:27:13 2006 Message-Id: <0A75E2F7-9D7B-41BF-BC55-971402713278@pacbell.net> From: Lee Poulsen Subject: Piero Ravenna Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 21:27:10 -0700 Recently I was looking up information on a new species of bulb from South America and discovered that it was described by Ravenna. I know that there is a lot of controversy about things he declares to be new species. On the other hand, since so few people are doing any plant exploring in Latin America, I wonder if at least a few of the new species he describes might actually be new species. Well, it turns out that one of the 'pages gave an email address to inquire about getting copies of Onira and Botanica Australis where this and many other of Ravenna's new species are described. I had heard that these are self-published journals that come out on an irregular basis, and are yet another reason there is some controversy and some people don't trust him. But I thought it would be interesting to look at some of these articles just to see what some of these new species are. The address is a yahoo.co.uk address, so I wasn't sure who in the UK would be handling these publications. Well, it appears that this is an address for Piero Ravenna who I assume is The Ravenna. He told me that all the issues are available except Volume 1 which is depleted and Vol. 2 in which the originals were damaged. He's up to Vol. 10 of Onira and Vol. 6 of Botanica Australis. (I'm not sure what the difference in the two publications is.) However, he wants US $100 per issue! This seems unusually expensive, even for journals. But I am no botanist, so I don't know. He seems very eager to sell me them, even offering a 20% discount after I said I didn't want to purchase any. Are there libraries at places (other than say Kew or MoBot) that have these publications? Are they accepted by other botanists and places like Kew or MoBot? And does anyone have first hand experience with any of the many new species and even genera that Ravenna has described to say whether they are truly new species or genera? Is there any other source other than Onira or Botanica Australis that has descriptions or, better yet, photos of any of these new species or genera? Is anyone growing any of the bulbs he describes? I sure wish someone or someones would publish a nice Timber Press coffee table book on the bulbs of Latin America! --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA, USDA Zone 10a From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sun May 28 13:20:20 2006 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060528101537.00c323f0@mail.earthlink.net> From: Jane McGary Subject: Starting from seeds vs. from bulbs Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 10:20:44 -0700 Following up the discussion of Tropaeolum seed germination, I suggest that anyone wanting to dip into this genus begin with Tropaeolum brachyceras. I grew it from Watson seed but it's now available from some commercial bulb suppliers, and there was plenty of it donated by me and others to the NARGS exchange last year. It also self-sows between the pots in the bulb frames here (I'll bet the tubers are a foot deep). It does not increase well vegetatively. The seeds germinate quite readily the first season after sowing. This is a small-scale Tropaeolum, extending about 2 feet (60 cm) here and probably a little more in nature. In general habit it's much like T. tricolor. It climbs on anything nearby but will also flower flat on the ground. The flowers are bright yellow and appear in late winter and early spring over a long period. The best thing about it is its cold-hardiness: at least down to 20 F without any damage, even on the emerging stem tips. A good way to grow it in a container would be to let it climb a wire topiary form (I just stick a twiggy branch in the pot). Jane McGary Northwestern Oregon, USA From jglatt@hughes.net Sun May 28 13:31:24 2006 Message-Id: <4479DE6D.8080609@hughes.net> From: Judy Glattstein Subject: Timber Press Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 13:31:25 -0400 Lee, seeing as how Timber Press has been bought by Workman (who also inhaled Storey) I'm just hoping Timber Press stays Timber Press, if you know what I mean. Judy in sunny New Jersey From perdy@mts.net Sun May 28 16:38:29 2006 Message-Id: <00db01c68296$a71a6cf0$6600a8c0@your4f1261a8e5> From: "D Anderson" Subject: Japanese lily Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 15:38:18 -0500 Hi, Arnold. Beautiful color! :) Donna in Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada From: "Arnold Trachtenberg" > Flowering today here in New Jersey > > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Lilium > > Lilium rubellum > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > From Blee811@aol.com Sun May 28 16:59:57 2006 Message-Id: <4aa.352e06.31ab6946@aol.com> From: Blee811@aol.com Subject: Timber Press Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 16:59:50 EDT In a message dated 5/28/2006 1:31:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jglatt@hughes.net writes: Lee, seeing as how Timber Press has been bought by Workman (who also inhaled Storey) I'm just hoping Timber Press stays Timber Press, if you know what I mean. ===>I hope so too, Judy, but it's a worry. The new owners will most likely be looking at how to make Timber more profitable, which probably means the end of the specialty genera titles, which have never sold in great volume. Bill Lee From mmattus@charter.net Sun May 28 19:24:56 2006 Message-Id: From: Matt Mattus Subject: Timber Press Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 19:24:54 -0400 I'm optimistic with the deal. I would imagine that the acquisition required an an examination of profitability and growth potential, and since Workmans' portfolio consists of numerous other small publishing houses that specialize in enthusiast niche publications, that the opposite may actually happen - more opportunities like better distribution, asset sharing and a better margin. There may be more opportunities for more specific gardening books. Look at it this way: why would a publishing house be interested in a company like Timber? They would benefit nothing by reducing titles or becoming more generic. They had to have looked at the deal as an opportunity. To acquire specialty publisher to balance out their portfolio of other specialty and novelty books. In my business (the toy industry) we acquire many companies, some are integrated, but if they have a consumer base, and are profitable, you leave it alone or manage it. I am no expert, but would imagine the publishing world to be no different, it certainly isn't over, Workamn's will most likely be acquired by someone else someday. To me, this just sounds as simple as it appears. The previous owner and founder has decided to sell, and Workman's bought it as part of an investment and growth strategy. Little happened with the Storey acquisition, and I would think, as long as Timber continues it's growth, not much will happen there. Matt Mattus Worcester, MA On 5/28/06 4:59 PM, "Blee811@aol.com" wrote: > > In a message dated 5/28/2006 1:31:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > jglatt@hughes.net writes: > > Lee, seeing as how Timber Press has been bought by Workman (who also > inhaled Storey) I'm just hoping Timber Press stays Timber Press, if you > know what I mean. > > > ===>I hope so too, Judy, but it's a worry. The new owners will most likely > be looking at how to make Timber more profitable, which probably means the > end > of the specialty genera titles, which have never sold in great volume. > Bill Lee > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php From jshields104@insightbb.com Sun May 28 19:30:18 2006 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20060528190117.02691b20@mail.insightbb.com> From: "J.E. Shields" Subject: Summer Hits Indiana Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 19:30:25 -0400 Hi all, Summer has hit Indiana like a sledge hammer! The temperature this afternoon, 89°F, is unusually high for this time of year. Last winter was relatively mild for us here, and lots of the borderline hardy plants that were there before have returned this spring. Irises of all sorts are in bloom, especially the fancy tall bearded hybrids. I. tectorum is in bloom in several places. I. versicolor is in bloom; versicolor comes close to being a native here, but our native Indiana iris is considered to be a subspecies of I. virginica. A nice big clump of I. sanguinea 'Kamiyama', dark blue, is in bloom out by the lane; we can see it from the kitchen window. It is reassuring to see the Crinum bulbispermum blooming, both those in the ground around one of the home greenhouses, as well as those growing in 5-gal. (19 L.) containers. A couple of the C. [bulbispermum roseum X lugardiae] in the ground have scapes up and starting to open, as well. One of the early-flowering Crinum macowanii forms, my #1022, has flowers open. Gladiolus imbricatus, G. illyricus, and G. italicus, all hardy here and growing in the ground, are in bloom. G. caucasicus, also hardy and growing in the ground, are near to blooming. The Gladiolus oppositiflorus salmoneus growing in the ground are starting to send up their first leaves. Those in pots are still bone dry and therefor not trying to grow yet. The lone clump of Hymenocallis liriosme that I have outdoors in the ground is sending up two scapes. This is its first attempt to flower since having been planted outdoors, at the south end of one of the home greenhouses. I got a bunch of bulbs, plants in leaf, actually, of H. liriosme in from a lady in Mississippi last week. In fact, I think I probably cleaned out her supply for this season. I'm still looking for more H. occidentalis, since I lost quite a few bulbs a couple years ago when I moved the H. occidentalis from pots to outdoor beds. Near to the liriosme is a clump of Zantedeschia aethiopica 'Green Goddess' that has been blooming for almost a month now. Another Zantedeschia, the hybrid 'Black Pearl', was planted in the ground outside the home greenhouse, where the Crinums are growing; and these have come back for the third year now. They get a lot of heat leaked through the knee-wall of the greenhouse in winter. Last year, they bloomed in that spot. I ought to try some other Zantedeschia in that same bed. I do love spring and early summer around here! Best regards, Jim Shields in central Indiana (USA), where a Mr. Hornish apparently won some car race this afternoon. ************************************************* Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 Shields Gardens, Ltd. P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Tel. ++1-317-867-3344 or toll-free 1-866-449-3344 in USA From msittner@mcn.org Sun May 28 21:32:02 2006 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20060528183117.035c62f8@mail.mcn.org> From: "African Bulbs" (by way of Mary Sue Ittner ) Subject: Mary Sue's CD screened ar IBSA Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 18:31:53 -0700 Hi all We screened a showing of Mary Sue Ittner's CD at the monthly meeting of the Indigenous Bulb Society of SA in Cape Town yesterday. The CD is a brilliantly put together collection of pictures of California Wild Flowers taken on an extensive trip that she, Bob, Mary Hunter and Elaine Mahaffey undertook in Spring 2005. We had an excellent attendance of more than 50 members and the presentation was received with great applause. We were very grateful for the opportunity to expand our horizons like this. Mary Sue is a member of IBSA and it was most appropriate for us to enjoy this participation at our meeting by one of our overseas members. The global village is getting smaller and the opportunities for communication between persons with similar interests are increasing. IBSA will be holding a second International Bulb Symposium at Goudini Spa, Rawsonville from 26 August to 1 September. This will consist of presentations by numerous speakers and bulb experts as well as field trips to view wild bulbs. We are also planning a self-drive trip to the Roggeveld and the Northern Cape (depending on the rains coming at the right times) after the symposium that will be an exciting option. We already have numerous international delegates who will be attending. If interested, contact IBSA Secretary Chris Schultz for details sa.da@mweb.co.za Rhoda and Cameron McMaster African Bulbs PO Box 26, Napier 7270 Tel/Fax: 028 423 3651 E-mail: africanbulbs@haznet.co.za Website: www.africanbulbs.com From africanbulbs@haznet.co.za Mon May 29 03:44:52 2006 Message-Id: <009201c682f3$c353a320$5e3dd0c4@MECER> From: "African Bulbs" Subject: Mature Ammocharis bulb Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 09:34:08 +0200 We can comment on John Ingram's reluctant mature Ammocharis bulb. We have experience of replanting mature Ammocharis coranica bulbs that were washed out by soil erosion after severe storms. Firstly, they take a long time to settle down in a new environment - especially in containers. Secondly I don't believe they like to have their bulbs exposed. In nature Ammocharis bulbs are below the ground surface - with just the neck and leaves on the surface. Since they prefer seasonally wet habitats, watering is not a particular issue. They are very adaptable in this respect and can tolerate long periods of drought alternating with equally long periods of moist conditions. We find that they survive very well in a normal nursery watering regime - all year round - even in winter although they are naturally summer growing. In these conditions they are almost evergreen, and stop growing only occasionally for a rest, when their leaves dry off. They soon commence growing again. In their natural habitats, which vary from seasonally very wet to arid conditions, they always grow in colonies in water courses, seepage areas and seasonally damp areas. They are absolutely opportunistic so far as leaf growth and flowering are concerned. In regions of regular summer rainfall their main growing and flowering time is from early to mid-summer and they go dormant in winter in the dry season and can tolerate quite severe degrees of frost at this time. We have yet to discover the trigger mechanism for flowering. There is no clear pattern. Flowering is at the best of times very sporadic and individual plants do not flower every year . Certainly flowering can be stimulated by burning, but sometimes this even fails to result in flowering. In the vast populations that do occur in the wild the usual pattern is for odd individuals to flower occasionally, but when conditions are just right (maybe good rains followed by warm weather), mass flowering can result with spectacular displays of thousands of blooms. So it is clear that there are always buds within the bulb waiting for the right trigger - what it is we have not been able to discover. We have a number of mature bulbs in containers and they are more shy to flower than those in open ground. While leaf growth is normal, sometimes years go by before one will reward us with a flower Not much help I'm afraid Rhoda and Cameron McMaster African Bulbs PO Box 26, Napier 7270 Tel/Fax: 028 423 3651 E-mail: africanbulbs@haznet.co.za Website: www.africanbulbs.com Ammocharis From dkramb@badbear.com Mon May 29 10:24:38 2006 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060529100936.01aba430@badbear.com> From: Dennis Kramb Subject: strange bulb Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 10:24:40 -0400 At a nearby construction/development site I wanted to rescue a plant of a native, wild Ruellia before they all got bulldozed. Only I'm not 100% sure what they look like this time of year. Well, it was a spur of the moment thing and the only tool I had with me to dig was my car keys. LOL. So I dug up a tiny little plant & rootball and brought it home. Lo & behold I got a strange hitchhiker too. A bonus bulb of some sort. It's white, teardrop shopped, and about 1cm diameter at the fattest part. It was also completely dormant... no green foliage and few roots. Now I know there's no way to guess what it is from that feeble description, but I couldn't believe my luck at getting an intact bulb like that with such a small rootball. I think I'm more interested in this new bulb -- whatever it may be -- than the Ruellia I saved (which is doing extremely well, by the way). The Ruellia will make an awesome addition to my prairie beds. Maybe this bulb will too? I hope it's a native. Dennis in Cincinnati From john@floralarchitecture.com Mon May 29 14:29:16 2006 Message-Id: <20060529182916.39122.qmail@web36205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Floral Architecture Subject: Ruellia and more Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 11:29:16 -0700 (PDT) Dennis, The native Ruellia is worth the effort. Congrats on the extra bonus bulb I ordered the Ruellia from one fo the native pant nurserie a few years ago and have been very happy with it. The other native worth finding is Tradescantia ohioensis I think I got it from Prarie Nursery or else it was High Country Gardens The stems are tall and very narrow (compared to the other commercially available Trads.) The flowers are never ending and quite showy. It isn't floppy and stands straight up through OH rains. A little off topic but worth a mention from the same native growers is Agastache rupestris and Tutti Fruiti. A. rupestris looks great when planted with Panicum 'Shenandoah' The reds, silver, orange, and rust colors are a perfect blend. The Panicum is slow growing and smaller than other types but the coloring intensity is well worth searching out. I madde the mistake of planting it and P. 'Rotstahlbush' togther. The Shenandoah was dwarfed rather quickly and the colors couldn't be seen among the the other, less colorful one. And for those that are interested, Agastache is a great plant for hummingbirds and butterrflies. Plants are never without "visitors". John Ingram in L.A., CA. www.floralarchitecture.com "Your Clivia Connection" john@floralarchitecture.com 310.709.1613 (cell, west coast time, please call accordingly. Thank you) From dkramb@badbear.com Mon May 29 17:32:45 2006 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060529173035.01efa5a0@badbear.com> From: Dennis Kramb Subject: Ruellia and more Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 17:32:48 -0400 At 02:29 PM 5/29/2006, you wrote: >Dennis, > The native Ruellia is worth the effort. Congrats on the extra bonus bulb I hope what I dug is really a Ruellia. I'll know soon enough when it blooms. I bet the bonus bulb is an onion. LOL. >worth finding is Tradescantia ohioensis I think I got it from Prarie >Nursery or else it was High Country Gardens > The stems are tall and very narrow (compared to the other > commercially available Trads.) The flowers are never ending and > quite showy. It isn't floppy and stands straight up through OH rains. I grow it! I grow two types. One is the "normal" blue, and one is a kind of raspberry color. They're local genotype too. I also found a park filled with Tradescantia subacaulis (I think I got that right) and I'm waiting for the seeds to ripen. Dennis in Ohio, where it got far too hot far too quickly. From Blee811@aol.com Mon May 29 23:11:26 2006 Message-Id: <238.b1cb9a1.31ad11db@aol.com> From: Blee811@aol.com Subject: Ruellia and more Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 23:11:23 EDT In a message dated 5/29/2006 5:33:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dkramb@badbear.com writes: I bet the bonus bulb is an onion. LOL Or in this area, Ornithogalum umbellatum, common Star of Bethlehem. Bill Lee From toadlily@olywa.net Tue May 30 02:02:54 2006 Message-Id: <447BE01A.1050407@olywa.net> From: Laura & Dave Subject: strange bulb Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 23:03:06 -0700 Dennis Kramb wrote: > It's white, teardrop shopped, and about 1cm diameter at the > fattest part. It was also completely dormant... no green foliage and > few roots. Now I know there's no way to guess what it is from that > feeble description, ... But of course we can guess!! Mine is that it is a variety of bulb grass, based solely on the fact that while rescuing Erythronium oregonum bulbs, I encountered several "hitchhikers" exactly as you described. They reminded me of pearls, popping out of the soil to display their luster. Dave Brastow Tumwater, Washington (USA) 7A From studio.pozzitaubert@tiscali.it Tue May 30 09:45:45 2006 Message-Id: <038555181f69aa333245cd109c940705@tiscali.it> From: studio.pozzitaubert@tiscali.it Subject: Rare nepenthoides with double spathe Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 15:45:19 +0200 Hi all, I posted two pictures of a plant of Arisaema nepenthoides with double spathe, Giorgio http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/ Arisaema_nepenthoides_double_gp.jpg http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/ Arisaema_nepenthoides_double_2_gp.jpg From ton1.wijnen@planet.nl Tue May 30 11:19:01 2006 Message-Id: <005d01c683fc$5ec90f30$0300000a@schakel> From: Ton Wijnen Subject: interesting bulbs Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 17:18:57 +0200 Hallo bulbfriends I know a man in India who has a nice collection of rare bulbs. Also he has orchids and seeds. If you are interested , send me a message so I can contact him. Warmest regards Ton Wijnen Holland From marie-paule.opdenakker@pandora.be Tue May 30 13:02:10 2006 Message-Id: <001501c6840a$a62bb720$1437a551@kieken> From: "Marie-Paule" Subject: interesting bulbs Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 19:01:09 +0200 Hallo Ton, Welke bulbs heeft de persoon die je kent in India, tot nu toe zijn de worsleya's nog niet aangekomen,ik denk dat het te maken heeft met die feestdag vorige week, als ze deze week nog niet hier zijn stuur een mailtje naar Glenn. Groeten Marie-Paule ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ton Wijnen" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: [pbs] interesting bulbs > Hallo bulbfriends > > > > I know a man in India who has a nice collection of rare bulbs. Also he has > orchids and seeds. > > If you are interested , send me a message so I can contact him. > > > > Warmest regards > > > > Ton Wijnen > > Holland > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > From marie-paule.opdenakker@pandora.be Tue May 30 13:05:44 2006 Message-Id: <001901c6840b$25f50880$1437a551@kieken> From: "Marie-Paule" Subject: interesting bulbs Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 19:04:44 +0200 Oeps Sorry, I thought it was Ton his private e-mail address. Regards, Marie-Paule Belgium 12 C° (54F) rain ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ton Wijnen" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: [pbs] interesting bulbs > Hallo bulbfriends > > > > I know a man in India who has a nice collection of rare bulbs. Also he has > orchids and seeds. > > If you are interested , send me a message so I can contact him. > > > > Warmest regards > > > > Ton Wijnen > > Holland > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > From johnbryan@worldnet.att.net Tue May 30 17:24:17 2006 Message-Id: <259F6072.E394481A@worldnet.att.net> From: John Bryan Subject: interesting bulbs Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 21:24:17 -0000 Dear Marie-Paul: Weleke feestdag? Cheers, John E. Bryan Marie-Paule wrote: > > Hallo Ton, > Welke bulbs heeft de persoon die je kent in India, > tot nu toe zijn de worsleya's nog niet aangekomen,ik denk > dat het te maken heeft met die feestdag vorige week, als ze deze week nog > niet hier zijn stuur een mailtje naar Glenn. > Groeten Marie-Paule > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ton Wijnen" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 5:18 PM > Subject: [pbs] interesting bulbs > > > Hallo bulbfriends > > > > > > > > I know a man in India who has a nice collection of rare bulbs. Also he has > > orchids and seeds. > > > > If you are interested , send me a message so I can contact him. > > > > > > > > Warmest regards > > > > > > > > Ton Wijnen > > > > Holland > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php From Antennaria@aol.com Wed May 31 00:07:21 2006 Message-Id: <4a4.7ddee6.31ae706f@aol.com> From: Antennaria@aol.com Subject: more on trilliums Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 00:07:11 EDT The many southeastern USA Trillium continue to bloom well and provide lots of interest here. For information on the species I mention here, there is no better reference than the on-line eFlora; the Flora of North America, authored by none other than Trillium expert Fred Case. The keys, descriptions, and level of detail in the text is all very good. http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=1&taxon_id=133668 The two forms of Trillium reliquum I grow came from Georgia. It has gorgeous, intensely mottled foliage. Similar to T. decumbens, the foliage sits close to the ground, but unlike that nearly stemless species, T. reliquum has a stem of about 1" to 1-1/2" tall, among other differences. The upright flowers are a deep maroon red, the 3 flat-lying sepals similarly colored, if not a little paler. The flowers are said to smell putrid, but in my specimens they smell like clay, or like "stale yeasty bread"... mildly unpleasant but certainly not putrid. This is a stunning Trillium. http://www.plantbuzz.com/rockgard/woodland/Trillium_reliquum_2006b.jpg (just to the upper left, can be seen the drying foliage of T. nivale, with a seed capsule) Trillium stamineum, the twisted trillium, is named for the twisted dark maroon petals, an unmistakable characteristic. Subtle leaf mottling, and flowering stems of just 3"-8" tall. Said to be unscented, but I detect a faint, peculiar scent to the flowers. My plants came from Alabama. http://www.plantbuzz.com/rockgard/woodland/Trillium_stamineum_2006a.jpg Trillium lancifolium is a most distinctive small species, one that I like very much. My plants came from Tennessee, and grow to 6"-12" in flower. The foliage faces downwards giving the plant a narrow dog's-ear appearance, showing off the erect blooms with very narrow red petals that tend to incurve, overlap, and twist slightly. The incurved stamens are dark maroon. There is no detectable floral scent. In the first photo link below, the flowers are striking when backlit with late afternoon sun, with the equally bright flowers on stemless T. decumbens in the background. http://www.plantbuzz.com/rockgard/woodland/Trillium_lancifolium_2006a.jpg http://www.plantbuzz.com/rockgard/woodland/Trillium_lancifolium_2006c.jpg Trillium rugelii is fantastic. Known as the Southern Nodding Trillium, it is distinct and far superior to the familar nodding Trillium (T. cernuum) of eastern USA and Canada. My plant is robust, growing 15-18" tall, with very large reflexed nodding flowers like a giant dodecatheon. The most striking aspect of this species is the oversized, prominent ovary of a bright red-purple color, flanked by bluish-purple anthers. The strongly recurved flowers are nearly 4" across if stretched out, emitting a mild fruity aroma. The flowers last a very long time. The foliage is straight green and prominently veined. http://www.plantbuzz.com/rockgard/woodland/Trillium_rugelii_2006a.jpg http://www.plantbuzz.com/rockgard/woodland/Trillium_rugelii_2006b.jpg http://www.plantbuzz.com/rockgard/woodland/Trillium_rugelii_2006c.jpg Trillium catesbaei, the "bashful trillium". I have several dozen of these planted out, and it wins a place in my heart for several reasons. This is a delicate species, up to a foot tall, with refined smallish undulate foliage and delightful nodding blooms that display great diversity in flower color and form. Because the foliage is not very large as in some species, the flowers can clearly be seen, even though they are nodding below the foliage. Flower color ranges from pure white, many shades of pink, to vibrant cherry colors, with bold yellow anthers. A few specimens have white flowers strongly mottled and streaked with pink. The petals are elegantly undulate along the margins, and are moderately to strongly recurved. The sepals are typically a gray-green color that beautifully frames the flowers, or sometimes reddish to purplish color. http://www.plantbuzz.com/rockgard/woodland/Trillium_catesbaei_2006a.jpg http://www.plantbuzz.com/rockgard/woodland/Trillium_catesbaei_2006b.jpg http://www.plantbuzz.com/rockgard/woodland/Trillium_catesbaei_2006c.jpg http://www.plantbuzz.com/rockgard/woodland/Trillium_catesbaei_2006d.jpg http://www.plantbuzz.com/rockgard/woodland/Trillium_catesbaei_2006g.jpg http://www.plantbuzz.com/rockgard/woodland/Trillium_catesbaei_2006h.jpg A nursery friend of mine purchased a number of plants of the common Trillium erectum, and what she got instead (in her favor) was was Trillium vaseyi, a superior southeastern species sometimes called the Sweet Trillium for the sweet scent of the blooms. Averaging about 18" tall, the striking blooms are an intense maroon red color, the petals heavily veined and netted. What's most striking about this species, is how the petals tightly recurve, folding backwards over the green sepals, forming a perfectly triangular shaped bloom. The large anthers eventually turn white, contrasting beautifully with the intense dark flower color, although in my two photos, I took the photos before the the anthers matured to white. The flowers are VERY large and bold, compared to the rather squinty, inferior flowers of most Trillium erectum forms one encounters. http://www.plantbuzz.com/rockgard/woodland/Trillium_vaseyi_2006a.jpg http://www.plantbuzz.com/rockgard/woodland/Trillium_vaseyi_2006b.jpg Lastly, is Trillium grandiflorum 'Multiplex'. I'm not often a fan of double flowers, but this is without doubt one of the most exquisitely formed flowers among double-flowered plants. The elegant ruffled flowers are pristine white, lasting for nearly a month, eventually fading to pink. I know of one nursery (Asiatica) that sells a single plant for $78 each (ouch!). In a couple years, my plant increased to 4 blooming stalks, and two youngsters. http://www.plantbuzz.com/rockgard/woodland/Trillium_grandi_Multiplex_2006a.jpg http://www.plantbuzz.com/rockgard/woodland/Trillium_grandi_Multiplex_2006b.jpg http://www.plantbuzz.com/rockgard/woodland/Trillium_grandi_Multiplex_agepink.j pg Mark McDonough Pepperell, Massachusetts, United States antennaria@aol.com "New England" USDA Zone 5 ============================================== >> web site under construction - http://www.PlantBuzz.com < From marie-paule.opdenakker@pandora.be Wed May 31 11:17:25 2006 Message-Id: <000701c684c5$2e603ac0$dd33a551@kieken> From: "Marie-Paule" Subject: interesting bulbs Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 17:16:24 +0200 Hello Mr. Bryan, Thank You for the e-mail, sorry but it was a misunderstanding, that holiday was O.L. Hemelvaart !! this is a paid free day, Regards, Marie-Paule Belgium ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bryan" To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Sent: Monday, January 01, 1990 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [pbs] interesting bulbs > Dear Marie-Paul: > Weleke feestdag? Cheers, John E. Bryan > > Marie-Paule wrote: > > > > Hallo Ton, > > Welke bulbs heeft de persoon die je kent in India, > > tot nu toe zijn de worsleya's nog niet aangekomen,ik denk > > dat het te maken heeft met die feestdag vorige week, als ze deze week nog > > niet hier zijn stuur een mailtje naar Glenn. > > Groeten Marie-Paule > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ton Wijnen" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 5:18 PM > > Subject: [pbs] interesting bulbs > > > > > Hallo bulbfriends > > > > > > > > > > > > I know a man in India who has a nice collection of rare bulbs. Also he has > > > orchids and seeds. > > > > > > If you are interested , send me a message so I can contact him. > > > > > > > > > > > > Warmest regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Ton Wijnen > > > > > > Holland > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > pbs mailing list > > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > From totototo@telus.net Wed May 31 12:22:02 2006 Message-Id: <20060531162154.9EXGTQ5Q19@priv-edmwaa05.telusplanet.net> From: totototo@telus.net Subject: New Wiki Images Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 09:24:41 -0700 Having finally figured out how to wiki images, I've posted images and brief comments on a few more bulbs: Homeria collina (Moraea c. these days but we still have a Homeria page.) Oxalis 'Ione Hecker' Crocus kotschyanus These are accessible from the relevant wiki pages in the ordinary way. The pictures aren't technically the greatest, but I've made an effort to provide images that fairly faithfully represent the true colors of these plants' flowers. Some comments on digital photography (using a cheap little Sony camera): 1. Always use a tripod. Except in bright sun, exposure times are long enough to make shake a problem. 2. Lowering the exposure value (EV) by 1.7 or 2.0 units (half a stop to a full stop), immensely improves pictures taken in full sun and gets rid of the overexposed glare one gets on petals. I find that adjusting the gamma value during post-processing helps lighten up areas that may be too dark. 3. Lowering the camera's contrast and/or saturation also helps in some cases. It appears that digital cameras, like film cameras, converts all bright reds into a single undifferentiated fire-engine red otherwise. -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate on beautiful Vancouver Island