"We probably need to come up with some criteria for knowing when a page gets to be too big that we need to divide it. I'm not sure what that should be, # of thumbnails when there are thumbnails, lines?" Mary Sue, Thanks to you and your collaborators who do a wonderful job with the wiki; it is an amazing resource. I'd suggest that the best way to avoid getting pages that need dividing is to come up with a way to subdivide them (by botanical hierarch or whatever) before a new page is started, and apply that consistently. Then make each subdivision a new page off the bat, even if there's only a single entry at first. Of course that doesn't help with existing pages, which probably cover many likely division points already. I'd suggest a page is too big when it takes an unreasonable length of time to conveniently display the entire contents. What is convenient? I can hear the howls of objection, but I think it would be a mistake to automatically take dial-up connection speed as the lowest common denominator. Speeds are rising, costs are coming down and new technologies are evolving - defaulting to the restrictions imposed by dial-up would quickly result in way too many over-fragmented pages that would all too soon need consolidating. You don't really want to have to scroll way down a long page, so maybe a couple or three screen-equivalents would be a good compromise. This would work for all but those species where there are a zillion cultivars. Of course a 'screen-full' depends on how much text you put up front and how much is accessed by mouse-over, click-through or other method. I would prefer a quoted URL to go directly to the subject, not the page top, but that needs some configuring if you are concerned about URLs becoming defunct. The latter is an issue I faced when I completely changed the basis of my plants album on my web site. Almost a year later I look at the web stats and still see 404 errors (page not found) which are caused by folks trying to use old bookmarks and saved URLs for particular taxa. They soon enough seem to find what they are looking for so I wouldn't worry overmuch about keeping individual URLs good for all time. Search routines get better and better. Still only 26F at noon as we are outside cleaning up the hellebores. Best, John John T Lonsdale PhD 407 Edgewood Drive, Exton, Pennsylvania 19341, USA Home: 610 594 9232 Cell: 484 678 9856 Fax: 801 327 1266 Visit "Edgewood" - The Lonsdale Garden at http://www.edgewoodgardens.net/ USDA Zone 6b