Regarding the "Warmenhoven link" and Jim McKenney's comments on Allium "cowanii", the Warnebhoven account is: "The entire plant is stronger and much larger than both others that it is commonly mistaken for..." Do we know what "both others" refer to? I see no evidence here to indicate that the so-called "cowanii" is anything other than a typical form of A. neapolitanum, which itself is quite a variable species. I also noted on the Wamenhoven site, that my image of Allium 'Gladiator' is used, apparently lifted from my website: Their link: http://wswarmenhoven.com/products/… My original: http://plantbuzz.com/Allium/Gallery/… (scroll down, 2nd from bottom) Mark McDonough email@example.com http://www.plantbuzz.com/ Massachusetts, USA (near the New Hampshire border) ------------------------------ Message: 4 ate: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:27:29 -0400 rom: "Jim McKenney" <firstname.lastname@example.org> ubject: [pbs] Allium cowanii; was RE: Chelsea flower show o: "'Pacific Bulb Society'" <email@example.com> essage-ID: <000001c7a3ca$80fec510$2f01a8c0@Library> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks, Graham, for posting that Warmenhoven link. I took a look at the Allium pages at that site, and I found something which ight be of interest to some members of this group. The account of Allium owanii at the site begins: "The entire plant is stronger and much larger than both others that it is ommonly mistaken for..." That's good news to those of us who are holding out hope that there is a ecognizable entity which properly corresponds to the name Allium cowanii. On the other hand, I don't know what to make of the distinction the site akes between Allium azureum and A. caeruleum. Allium lovers, take a look and let us know what you think. im McKenney firstname.lastname@example.org ontgomery County, Maryland, USA, USDA zone 7, where a very handsome Allium s beginning to bloom: I'll tell more about this soon. ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.