Warren Glover
Fri, 11 May 2007 20:36:33 PDT
HiMary Sue,
                   I have a plant raised from seed tagged as P.chloracra. 
The flower colour is mostly as described. It flowered for me for the first 
time around spring here.
                   I'm raising quite a few seedlings from the seed it 
produced. I'm interested in this genus. Do you or anyone you know have seed 
of other species? Perhaps we could exchange.
Warren Glover
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mary Sue Ittner" <>
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Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 5:10 AM
Subject: [pbs] Phaedranassa

> Hi,
> Every few years I ask the same question. I keep asking hoping some day
> someone will have an answer. Right now blooming in my greenhouse are four
> or five pots of Phaedranassa. They bloom well every year as I give them a
> dormant period. Often they bloom at different times but this year they 
> have
> been blooming at the same time although some pots started earlier and
> individual plants in those pots have bloomed already while others are
> coming on. They all look so much alike to me even though I obtained
> seed  labeled P. cinerea, P. chloraea, and  P. carmioli. Some of the pots
> grown from the seed of P. camioli have a faint yellow band between the
> "red" and green, but not all. I think if I had to describe them I'd think
> carmine red. They don't strike me as what I think of as crimson or coral.
> I'd love to know what they are. There must be a better way to tell them
> apart than by color. Please help.
> Here's the June 2004 post:
> P. chloraea doesn't seem to be a valid name so I guess I can discard that.
> Kew has a P. carmiolii , but most others seem to spell it with one i. This
> reminds me of our long discussion about color a number of years ago and 
> how
> when I was compiling people's favorite bulbs by color the same plant was
> considered a favorite in different colors since not everyone's idea of 
> what
> is blue, purple, pink, orange is the same.
> From John Bryan's Bulbs:
> P. carnioli (notice another spelling) tubular, pendent, green at base and
> mouth, bright crimson between
> P. cinerea coral pink with white base and green tips
> P. dubia -- pendent, purple rose tipped with green
> P. tunguraguae - flowers coral red with green tips
> When Diana Chapman did the topic of the week on Phaedranassa for me when I
> was doing it for IBS she wrote:
> "The genus Phaedranassa (Amaryllidaceae) includes nine species, six of 
> which
> are found only in Ecuador, the remaining three being from Colombia, Costa
> Rica and Peru.  They are largely montane species, where they grow in
> disturbed areas, often colonizing road cuts, and usually coming into bloom
> after the dry summer season in their native lands.
> These beautiful bulbs are characterized by having petiolated leaves which
> can be a glossy green, greyish-green, or covered in a dusty bloom.  The
> flowers are produced in an umbel, most species having large tubular pink 
> or
> red flowers that are variously banded in green, with anywhere from five or
> six flowers to fourteen or fifteen to an umbel.   The exception in color 
> is
> P. viridiflora, which has yellow flowers, also banded in green at the base
> of the floral tube, as well as the tepal tips. There are some outstanding
> photographs on the IBS Gallery of Bulbs.
> P. brevifolia - Ecuador.  Described as having tepals that are rose-pink
> with a yellow adaxial stripe.
> P. glauciflora - Ecuador.  Flowers light salmon-pink.
> P. dubia - Ecuador.  (This is also known as P. chloracra).  Deep pink
> flowers, banded green at the tips with a narrow yellow band near the 
> ovary.
> P. schizantha - Ecuador.  Leaves are glaucous with a dusty bloom to the
> scape and flower also.  Flowers are orange or rose, banded green distally.
>  There are two varieties, var. schizantha and var. ignea.
> P. viridiflora - ?  This was described as coming from Peru originally, but
> has never been re-collected in Peru, and probably is also Ecuadorean. 
> This
> one has lovely flowers, banded in green and yellow, with a wider more
> bell-shaped flower.
> P. cinerea - Ecuador.  Flowers are deep rose pink banded green at the 
> tepal
> tips, the colors being separated by a narrow band of yellow.  The 
> underside
> of the leaves in this species is silvery.
> P. tunguraguae - Ecuador.  Flowers are deep coral pink.  This is very
> similar in appearance to P. dubia
> There is a Phaedranassa in circulation called P. carmioli, supposedly
> collected in Costa Rica, but this, as far as I can gather, is not
> considered a valid name, and is probably P. dubia."
> I am assuming that if P. carmioli is suspect I can narrow the ones I have
> down to being P. dubia, P. cinerea, or P. tunguraguae. If I did a Google
> image search for Phaedranassa. My leaves are all green and very similar,
> but I suppose the one from seed labeled P. cinerea is a bit more silver
> underneath as is the one labeled P. chlorea than the P. carmioli.
> If you look at pictures on our wiki page:
> or Telos's page:
> or even in a Google image search the color shown for a lot of these is 
> very
> similar and there are pictures out there of P. dubia that I can't see any
> yellow in at all.
> Mary Sue
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