I f people have been following the Rhodolphiala discussion they may have noted some inconsistencies. As I hinted in my first post the literature tells us there is an oxblood lily that is most common across the South that multiplies by offsets but rarely produced seed. This red hurricane lily is said to be triploid and from a single introduction by Oberwetter. But note several posts have noyed that they get seed on their red Rhodolphialas when they have other clones such as the pink form in their gardens. I am not sure of when this particular clone was declared triploid but there is another explanation that may better fit the facts. Perhaps Rhodolphiala is self sterile and an obligate outcrosser. If all the Southern Reds were clones of a single original plant than perhaps there is no seed produced beause it requires a second clone to fertilize it. This would seem a better explanation of fact that the triploid theory that has been widely published. --- Robt R Pries <rpries@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Lauw; I am glad you made this observation because I > had noticed some of the same behavior. On some > Lycoris > I noticed "stalks" with a bulb at the base and > another > formed above the lower bulb. I was having some > trouble > deciding whether the newest bulb was the upper or > the > lower and whether the plant was trying to get > shallower or go deeper. i have been trying to > hybridize Lycoris and dug everything from 1 year > seedlings, 2year etc. to my six year seedlings this > spring becaase I am moving the garden. In looking at > the age progression in the seedlings it seemed to me > that they were going deeper and deeper the older > they > were. I have been reading about Lycoris this spring > and all me references were saying they bloom better > when they are planted shallowly. I was a bit > confused > becuase the plants seemd to be telling me that they > like depth. The books I was using were zone 7-10 > garden writers and my present garden is zone 5/6. > Could it be that in colder zones the plant pull > themselves lower than in warmer climates. Since I am > moving to a zone 7 I shall plant less deep in the > new > garden but I am still confused by the action of the > plants. I hope next year to see the first blooms on > my > oldest crosses. > > --- Bulbargence <dejager@bulbargence.com> wrote: > > > Bonjour, > > Rhodophiala bifida and Lycoris radiata (and > > chinense) are both in flower > > here in the ground When lifiçtng bulbs to sellI > have > > some interesting > > observations about the planting depth. When > planted > > Rhodophiala shallow > > 50-100mm (2-4") it always pulls itself down to > > 150-200mm (6-8") to reach > > cool and humid layers. Lycoris radiata, I just > find > > out, does exactly the > > contrary: they were planted at 75-100mm (3-4") > and > > now whenpulling them up > > all have formed a secondary bulb at the level of > > 30-50mm (1-2") > > One never stops learning! > > > > Lauw de Jager > > http://www.bulbargence.com/ > > South of France (zone 8 Olivier) > > Coord. Geogr.(GPS): 43°42' 43" N 4° 32' 12" E > > > > > > > > Jim Shields: > > > Rhodophiala bifida must need fairly extreme > > conditions to bloom. They > > > probably need hot summers and cold winters, > > neither of which Mary Sue has > > > at her current home. > > > > > > We have some Lycoris radiata radiata here too, > > that survive and sometimes > > > bloom, but definitely do not thrive outdoors in > > the ground. The diploid > > > form of L. radiata does not survive here. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ >