pbs Digest, Vol 61, Issue 4

brown.mark brown.mark@wanadoo.fr
Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:17:01 PST
I have friends selling plants on e-bay too.The only sad thing ih that prices 
rise through the roof in this way.I don't like the idea of plant auctions at 
all.Especially as they concern plants which were gifts in the beginning.I 
put myself in the place of someone whose only income is the raising and 
selling of plants.Should we come to the stage where only a short period of 
sales sponsors a longer period of something else?Plant hunting or gardening 
at the best??Is this really fair on the clients who have to work all the 
time to keep up with the bills for these new rarities especially if you are 
trying to maintain a national plant collection?Ok I know that at this level 
many sources are good freinds and exchanges are the norm.But not always so.I 
resent having to pay for cultivars that I have raised but have lost through 
depleating the stock to give away to commercial sources generally,giving in 
to pressure. I think things have gone too far!! Like sport and cricket in 
particular money has spoilt the camaraderie and spirit of the whole 
thing.Thirty years ago one could get rare and odd plants at the same price 
as any others because they generally are only new and grow as easy as the 
other plants.That was either naïve or honest or a mix of both.And I know 
that there were many less nurseries run by hardened plantsmen simply for the 
pleasure of plants and meeting other plantspeople.Just think of  Simon Bond 
in Gloucestershire.I visited him many times and was able to create a 
wonderfull collection of alpine primulas etc.thanks to him.He had to live a 
simple but happy life.There is the crunch! And ok some plantspeople are and 
were from the upper echelons of financial bliss.But why should we all be put 
in that basket? Hellebores at vast sums of money whereas Helen Ballard and 
Elizabeth Strangman never made more than an honest but frugal living out of 
them.I could go on citing examples...
Kind regards to all as spring raises its head here in Northern France,
Mark
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> Somewhat off topic, but relevant to those of us who glean part of our 
> income
> from our toils and tears.
> A new opportunity to find and market plant material is in it's infant 
> stage
> and needs input from horticulturists
> across the country.
> This is a serious discussion of the gardening community coming together to
> pool resources, discuss individual needs
> and  offer suggestions regarding how all of it may be accomplished.
> Please take a moment to kick the tires and leave an opinion.
> Thank you.
>
> Elizabeth
>
> http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/…
>
>
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>>   1. Re: Peruvian Daffodils/Ismene/Hymenocallis (C.J. Teevan)
>>   2. Addendum to Pacific BX 164 (Dell Sherk)
>>   3. Re: Pacific BX 164 (Alberto Castillo)
>>   4. Re: Peruvian Daffodils/Ismene/Hymenocallis (J.E. Shields)
>>   5. Arum palaestinum infrared image (Arnold Trachtenberg)
>>   6. Re: Arum palaestinum infrared image (Douglas Westfall)
>>   7. Re: Arum palaestinum infrared image (Arnold Trachtenberg)
>>   8. Dahlia imperialis (lauw de Jager)
>>   9. Re: Dahlia imperialis (Kenneth Hixson)
>>  10. seed germination (piaba)
>>  11. Imports to USA from Scotland and other parts of the EU
>>      (Iain Brodie of Falsyde)
>>  12. Re: seed germination (Alberto Castillo)
>>  13. Re: Imports to USA from Scotland and other parts of the EU
>>      (Lee Poulsen)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 20:11:14 -0800 (PST)
>> From: "C.J. Teevan" <gardenstreet184@yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pbs] Peruvian Daffodils/Ismene/Hymenocallis
>> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Message-ID: <955413.57557.qm@web36404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>> Another gardener asked me last week if I had ever seen any Peruvian
>> Daffodils (Hymenocallis) sold or grown in any colors other than White or
>> Yellow.  Simply because he asked, I thought maybe he knew something I
>> didn't... .so I went to one of my favorite bulb suppliers and asked the
>> same question; they haven't seen anything in say Pink or Red.  Before I
>> sign off on this, possibly someone would please confirm that this is the
>> right answer?  Because if this group hasn't grown or studied it, it
>> probably does not exist.
>>
>>  Catherine T., New York
>>
>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 07:11:44 -0500
>> From: "Dell Sherk" <dells@voicenet.com>
>> Subject: [pbs] Addendum to Pacific BX 164
>> To: "'Adam Fikso'" <adam14113@ameritech.net>, "'c'"
>> <CathyCraigEA@hotmail.com>, <DavBouch5@aol.com>, "'Macfarlane'"
>> <macfarla@almaden.ibm.com>, "'Mark'" <Antennaria@aol.com>, "'Mark
>> Wilcox'" <marque219@yahoo.com>, "Pat Colville"
>> <Pat.Colville@JHResearchUSA.com>, "PBS list" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>,
>> "The Masterson Family" <masterson4@cox.net>
>> Message-ID: <20080205121159.3283D4C01D@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Please add the following to the list of offerings to BX 164:
>>
>>
>>
>>From Alberto Castillo:
>>
>>
>>
>> 21. Fresh seed of Zephyranthes primulina.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Dell
>>
>>
>>
>> Dell Sherk, Director, PBS BX
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:20:49 +0000
>> From: Alberto Castillo <ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pbs] Pacific BX 164
>> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Message-ID: <BLU104-W481F37D8B77AFCAC5B6E20AE2C0@phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>>
>> Dear all:
>>
>>           Perhaps it woud be of interest to add a few comments to this
>> material sent for the BX.
>>           Seed is all fresh, some just harvested
>>> 3. Gladiolus sp. probably segetum, very hardy Eurasian (W), from wild
>>> collected plants> > 4. Gladiolus illyricus from wild parent plants, very
>>> hardy (W), from wild collectd plants> > 5. Gladiolus communis ssp.
>>> Byzantinus, very hardy (W), from wild collected plants
>>> > 6. Iris xiphium ssp. Lusitanicum, dainly golden yellow wild form,  (W)
>>> > from wild plants> > 7. Gelasine elongata (azurea), warm grower (W), 
>>> > the
>>> > region is citrus country> > 8. Herbertia caerulea (W), the form from
>>> > Texas, quite hardy, received as "Alophia drummondii"> > 9. Cypella
>>> > coelestis (W), from wild collected plants, sugarcane country> > 10.
>>> > Cooperia smallii (W), from wild collected plants> > 11. Habranthus
>>> > martinezi (W), several different forms, some pink. Very floriforus in
>>> > flushes. An easy species, very lng lived and adaptable.
>>> > 12. Aristolochia fimbriata (S), this is a tuberous nativa 
>>> > Aristolochia,
>>> > very attractive round reniform leaves, some plants have plain green
>>> > leaves, others with broad silver veining, rivalling the best Asarums.
>>> > Sow individually and pot on as they grow as tubers are pretty fragile.
>>> > This is not a climber but a short trailing plant. In the wild zones
>>> > 9-10 but could be hardier. Semishade, shade or full sun for part of 
>>> > the
>>> > day.
>>> > 13. Tropaeolum pentaphyllum, (W) there is a comprehensive introduction
>>> > at the PBS wiki, details there. Sow upon receipt, seeds must be dry
>>> > off.> > 14. Ranunculus macranthus (W), a spectacular species form
>>> > Texas. Like a half sized yellow garden Ranunculus, if faded flowers 
>>> > are
>>> > removed, blooming season is two whole months or more. Sow seeds 
>>> > without
>>> > delay. Fresh seeds. Seeds stored for some time did not germinate. > >
>>> > 15. Leucojum autumnale var. oporanthum, true from the wild (W), from
>>> > wild collected plants. > > 16. Canna, dwarf sp., (S) a dwarf (60 cm.
>>> > tall) species received from a Botanic Garden as "C. tuerckheimii",
>>> > which is obviously inst't. Fresh seed. > > 17. Arum euxinum, (W), this
>>> > was received from Kew years ago. I had my doubts as it looks like
>>> > hygrophilum a lot but an aroid specialis saw it las Deember and said 
>>> > it
>>> > is the true euxinum, off it goes, enjoy. Just harvested. > > 18.
>>> > Bulblets of Allium canadense, very good form (W) selected from wild
>>> > plants in Texas. The
>> se are the bulblets that are produced in the umbels along with normal
>> flowers. > > 19. Small tubers of Dioscorea sp., winter dormant (S), a
>> lovely dwarf climber that could be quite hardy, with cordate lance shaped
>> leaves that turn orange in autumn.
>> Zephyranthes primulina, (S), one of the best of all. Here it flowers non
>> stop for three months or more in full sun and big containers. Just
>> harvested. This is one of the few species bullet proof and to start with.
>>
>>
>>
>> With best wishes
>> _________________________________________________________________
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 08:54:56 -0500
>> From: "J.E. Shields" <jshields@indy.net>
>> Subject: Re: [pbs] Peruvian Daffodils/Ismene/Hymenocallis
>> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20080205085243.0282d480@pop.indy.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Hymenocallis and Ismene flowers come only in white and yellow, although a
>> few have a lot of green in the tepals (petals + sepals).
>>
>> Jim Shields
>> in central Indiana (USA)
>>
>>
>> At 08:11 PM 2/4/2008 -0800, you wrote:
>>>Another gardener asked me last week if I had ever seen any Peruvian
>>>Daffodils (Hymenocallis) sold or grown in any colors other than White or
>>>Yellow.  Simply because he asked, I thought maybe he knew something I
>>>didn't... .so I went to one of my favorite bulb suppliers and asked the
>>>same question; they haven't seen anything in say Pink or Red.  Before I
>>>sign off on this, possibly someone would please confirm that this is the
>>>right answer?  Because if this group hasn't grown or studied it, it
>>>probably does not exist.
>>>
>>>   Catherine T., New York
>>
>> *************************************************
>> Jim Shields             USDA Zone 5             Shields Gardens, Ltd.
>> P.O. Box 92              WWW:    http://www.shieldsgardens.com/
>> Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA
>> Tel. ++1-317-867-3344     or      toll-free 1-866-449-3344 in USA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 20:12:10 -0500
>> From: Arnold Trachtenberg <arnold@nj.rr.com>
>> Subject: [pbs] Arum palaestinum infrared image
>> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
>> Message-ID: <47A9096A.10605@nj.rr.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> I have added and infrared image of Arum palaestinum taken  during  my
>> home energy audit.  The auditor was kind enough to amuse me and take an
>> image.  As you can see the spathe is hotter than the surrounding area
>> presumably to attract pollinators such as flies.
>>
>> Arnold
>>
>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/…
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:53:00 -0800
>> From: Douglas Westfall <eagle85@flash.net>
>> Subject: Re: [pbs] Arum palaestinum infrared image
>> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Message-ID: <2E85D120-8FD3-4237-A8C6-486970477D38@flash.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>>
>> Arnold,
>>
>> That is extremely interesting. Mine are growing very well right now,
>> but it is so cold here in So. CA that I don't expect a bloom for some
>> time.
>>
>> Doug Westfall
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:35:06 -0500
>> From: Arnold Trachtenberg <arnold@nj.rr.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pbs] Arum palaestinum infrared image
>> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Message-ID: <47A91CDA.6050801@nj.rr.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Doug:
>>
>> I remember seeing a video hook up from one of the Botanical gardens in
>> the states and in addition to the video feed there was a infrared feed
>> showing the temperature of the emerging spathe of an Amorphophallus
>> titanum.  They were able to predict the flowering time  based on the
>> temperature rise of the spathe.
>>
>> Arnold
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:35:53 +0100
>> From: lauw de Jager <dejager@bulbargence.com>
>> Subject: [pbs] Dahlia imperialis
>> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Message-ID: <C3CF3E09.961%dejager@bulbargence.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>>
>> Dear all,
>> I recently read a french article on  the tree dahlia, which states that D
>> imperialis and D arborescens are two sep?rate species (I allways assumed
>> that they are synonymous).  The article states :
>> D arborea (syn D excelsia): 4-6 m high (15-20ft)  colour  "pale purple"
>> D. imperialis: 2-3 high  colour  very pale,  with pink towards the 
>> center.
>>
>> Can anyone confirm whether this statement is correct. I cannot find any
>> useful reference with Google on this species
>> (The species I have here is 4-6 m high with pale pink flowers.)
>>
>> Look forward to any opinion on the matter
>> Greetings
>>
>> -- Lauw de Jager
>> Bulb'Argence
>> South of France (zone 9 (olive trees)
>> emailto: dejager@bulbargence.com
>> Site http://www.bulbargence.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:52:18 -0800
>> From: Kenneth Hixson <khixson@nu-world.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pbs] Dahlia imperialis
>> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Message-ID: <47AA01E2.90509@nu-world.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> lauw
>>> I recently read a french article on  the tree dahlia, which states that 
>>> D
>>> imperialis and D arborescens are two sep?rate species
>>
>> John Bryan's "Bulbs" gives D. arborescens as a synonym
>> of D. imperialis
>>
>> Gareth Rowlands "Gardner's Guide to Growing Dahlias"
>> doesn't list D. arborescens at all.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:09:27 -0800 (PST)
>> From: piaba <piabinha@yahoo.com>
>> Subject: [pbs] seed germination
>> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Message-ID: <580223.24300.qm@web51911.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>> hi alberto, do you have any suggestions on how to
>> germinate irid seeds?  i have not had any luck with
>> Habranthus, Gelasine and Cypella from the BX in the
>> past.  thanks for any suggestions.
>>
>> --- Alberto Castillo <ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>            Perhaps it woud be of interest to add a
>>> few comments to this material sent for the BX.
>>>            Seed is all fresh, some just harvested
>>> Gelasine elongata (azurea), warm grower (W), the
>>> region is citrus country
>>> > 9. Cypella coelestis (W),
>>> from wild collected plants, sugarcane country
>>
>> =========
>> tsuh yang
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 11
>> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 19:34:19 -0000
>> From: "Iain Brodie of Falsyde" <auchgourishbotgard@falsyde.sol.co.uk>
>> Subject: [pbs] Imports to USA from Scotland and other parts of the EU
>> To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Message-ID: <01a601c868f7$45000860$0701a8c0@homepc>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Folks I don't know if this is of any interest or use to members on this
>> forum but
>> perhaps it might be worth scoping amongst yourselves.
>>
>> As the person responsible for the management of Auchgourish Botanic 
>> Garden
>> [ABG] I am
>> on behalf of the garden and in my own capacity one of the very few
>> registered with the Scottish
>> government authorities to import and export living botanical material
>> following registration that
>> is almost finalised here. This registration is to be limited to plants
>> known as Monocots,
>> i.e. bulbs, corms and such. There is a small quarantine facility here,
>> which although currently
>> filled with species Liliums, Cardiocrinum, Nomocharis and Notholirion
>> should be free again from
>> 1st April this year. What prompted me to make this suggestion was a 
>> recent
>> posting along the
>> lines of " they won't let me have ??????? from the UK ". I think this is
>> rather more to do with the
>> sheer hassle and grief, not without some justification, by the US
>> authorities over incoming to the
>> USA and all the effort required that goes along with it, washing roots,
>> etc, etc.
>>
>> Now I am not inviting a veritable stampede but if there are really 
>> special
>> material needed by folks
>> who are unable to secure them in north America then we can coordinate in 
>> a
>> way that allows me to
>> do things in batches and by that means keep costs down by way of shipping
>> PHYTO certificates,
>> etc there are some possibilities here to be of help.
>>
>> Thinking out loud with the caveat that the system would need to be 
>> checked
>> as feasible, which I am
>> sure it is, then e.g. if for instance three people had sourced plants in
>> either this country and or England,
>> did the required deals to pay direct to the suppliers, these could be 
>> sent
>> here in the first instance at a
>> roughly similar date. I would prepare them for inspect and hopefully the
>> issuing of a Phyto certificate
>> and thereafter pack them as USDA requires, send them down to either
>> Edinburgh or Glasgow by
>> courier and then flown over to those buying them. I have three caveats of
>> my own, [a] I don't want paid
>> for my efforts, and [b] don't want to incur any lost costs......... I am
>> Scots after all, and [c] this would
>> be subject to the quarantine facilities, not very big. not being locked 
>> up
>> into things coming in to us here.
>>
>> In simple terms this would need one consignor and one nominated recipient
>> at the Canadian or US end,
>> from where the recipient named would then take over sending them on to
>> their final destination[s]. This
>> is not intended as a bulk consignment thing, just special "hard to get"
>> species or cultivars. I would also
>> ensure that the plants on arrival here from which ever nursery you buy
>> them from are satisfactory in terms
>> of health but could not take on responsibility to verify them as true to
>> name or species, they will obviously
>> mostly be in a dormant stage anyway.
>>
>> Just thoughts from the desk of Iain as I know e.g how hard I have had to
>> hassle to secure two of this and
>> two of that, etc in the Lily, Iris and Paeone world.
>>
>> Have a chat amongst yourselves, if of no interest no harm done and no
>> offence taken.
>>
>> Iain
>>
>> Iain Brodie of Falsyde
>> Auchgourish Botanic Garden & Arboretum
>> auchgourishbotgard@falsyde.sol.co.uk
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 12
>> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 19:44:42 +0000
>> From: Alberto Castillo <ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pbs] seed germination
>> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Message-ID: <BLU104-W40C3DACE163BBF8AFD6B67AE2D0@phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>>
>> Hi Tsuh:
>>           Seeds from this part of the world must be sown without delay 
>> and
>> watered even if time before normal germination season. This is because
>> they never experience a period of real drought in the wild (year round
>> rainfall), like Mediterranean or other climate bulbs. We do so, sow after
>> harvesting and germination is like grass (in due course), the goal being
>> not to let the seed dry off.
>>
>>           These seeds were harvested in these last weeks and germination
>> should be 100%. Of course, no germination outdoors in Wisconsin if they
>> originally come from sugarcane country!
>>
>>
>> With best wishes.
>> Alberto
>>
>> > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:09:27 -0800> From: piabinha@yahoo.com> To:
>> > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Subject: [pbs] seed germination> > hi alberto, 
>> > do
>> > you have any suggestions on how to> germinate irid seeds? i have not 
>> > had
>> > any luck with> Habranthus, Gelasine and Cypella from the BX in the>
>> > past. thanks for any suggestions.> > --- Alberto Castillo
>> > <ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com>> wrote:> > Perhaps it woud be of interest 
>> > to
>> > add a> > few comments to this material sent for the BX.> > Seed is all
>> > fresh, some just harvested> > Gelasine elongata (azurea), warm grower
>> > (W), the> > region is citrus country> > > 9. Cypella coelestis (W),> >
>> > from wild collected plants, sugarcane country> > =========> tsuh yang> 
>> >  >
>> >  >
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>> Message: 13
>> Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 11:56:25 -0800
>> From: Lee Poulsen <wpoulsen@pacbell.net>
>> Subject: Re: [pbs] Imports to USA from Scotland and other parts of the
>> EU
>> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Message-ID: <47AA10E9.5000609@pacbell.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Wow, Iain, what an offer! I have both a small lots seed import permit
>> and a regular plant import permit. The single most difficult thing to
>> obtain when wanting to get a plant (and now bulbs) from overseas, is a
>> phytosanitary certificate. Because that is really all that is required
>> to accompany a plant or bulb that is being imported to the U.S. from
>> overseas. The plant import permit is issued to anyone residing in the
>> U.S. for free and lasts 5 years before needing renewal (also free). I
>> live relatively near one of the main import inspection stations (which
>> is near the Los Angeles Airport) so I don't have to deal much with the
>> problem of getting the plants from the inspection station to my home.
>>
>> But the phytosanitary certificate problem has always been the primary
>> and serious obstacle to importing plants and now bulbs from overseas, in
>> my experience. It seems, and my experience has been, that our APHIS
>> inspectors here, don't much care what gets imported, as long as it isn't
>> on the forbidden list and is observationally disease- and pest-free. And
>> it is accompanied by a phyto. They then will very nearly immediately
>> release it as soon as they inspect it. I've never had anything
>> quarantined. They seem to put great stock in that phyto piece of paper.
>>
>> What are your feelings about having things from outside the UK sent to
>> you (that the UK allows to be imported, such as from other EU countries)
>> and then sent from you to here with the phyto issued in the UK? The
>> agent I've dealt with only seem to care that a phyto be included in the
>> package no matter who did the inspection before arriving in the U.S.
>>
>> I hope you don't get swamped.
>> --Lee Poulsen
>> Pasadena, California, USDA Zone 10a
>>
>>
>> Iain Brodie of Falsyde wrote:
>>> Folks I don't know if this is of any interest or use to members on this
>>> forum but
>>> perhaps it might be worth scoping amongst yourselves.
>>>
>>>
>>> Now I am not inviting a veritable stampede but if there are really
>>> special material needed by folks
>>> who are unable to secure them in north America then we can coordinate in
>>> a way that allows me to
>>> do things in batches and by that means keep costs down by way of 
>>> shipping
>>> PHYTO certificates,
>>> etc there are some possibilities here to be of help.
>>>
>>> Thinking out loud with the caveat that the system would need to be
>>> checked as feasible, which I am
>>> sure it is, then e.g. if for instance three people had sourced plants in
>>> either this country and or England,
>>> did the required deals to pay direct to the suppliers, these could be
>>> sent here in the first instance at a
>>> roughly similar date. I would prepare them for inspect and hopefully the
>>> issuing of a Phyto certificate
>>> and thereafter pack them as USDA requires, send them down to either
>>> Edinburgh or Glasgow by
>>> courier and then flown over to those buying them. I have three caveats 
>>> of
>>> my own, [a] I don't want paid
>>> for my efforts, and [b] don't want to incur any lost costs......... I am
>>> Scots after all, and [c] this would
>>> be subject to the quarantine facilities, not very big. not being locked
>>> up into things coming in to us here.
>>>
>>>
>>> Just thoughts from the desk of Iain as I know e.g how hard I have had to
>>> hassle to secure two of this and
>>> two of that, etc in the Lily, Iris and Paeone world.
>>>
>>> Have a chat amongst yourselves, if of no interest no harm done and no
>>> offence taken.
>>>
>>> Iain
>>>
>>> Iain Brodie of Falsyde
>>> Auchgourish Botanic Garden & Arboretum
>>> auchgourishbotgard@falsyde.sol.co.uk
>>>
>>>
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