Dear Mark and Luc, Thanks for the encouragement. But indeed there is discrete but interesting tendency on the move. With my nursery colleague Olivier Filipi (who wrote recently an excellent book on dry gardening) some landscapers (Jean Jacques Darboux of Montpellier) and some more enterprising municipal gardeners there are several projects creating permanent gardens without irrigation using endemic mediterranean plants. Wintergrowing/summerdormant bulbs fit naturally into these projects, but also some evergreen bulbous or rhizomatic species (once established) do very well mediterranean gardens without irrigation. These projects are too young to judge how they will develop over the years. To prove our case we need urgently good examples of naturalised gardens which stood the test of time. Kind regards -- Lauw de Jager Bulb'Argence South of France (zone 9, olive trees) emailto: firstname.lastname@example.org Site http://www.bulbargence.com/ Le 13/02/08 12:20, « Mark BROWN » <email@example.com> a écrit : >This is just sheer intellectual laziness on their part!We had nothing > but happy people,delighted that more plants and imagination was being > employed.Things are slowly moving on,in some places.