Donnie, This plant has bedeviled native plant enthusiasts and propagators here in the Southwest, people with more experience than I. Scarifying seeds with hard coats is standard practice for many southwestern US natives. I've never found seed, but I do have two plants in my college garden beds that I carefully transplanted as tiny seedlings. I don't recommend transplantation, and once P. althaeafolia is established, its deep and huge tuber makes it untransplantable (for those of us who don't own backhoes). Shawn Pollard Yuma, AZ > I have grown many of the Annual Proboscidea and was fortunate to collect > some seed of Perennial Proboscidea althaeifolia. I have already tried about > 10 seeds and after a month ive given up. I can germ Proboscidea parviflora & > Proboscidea louisianica easily but not Proboscidea althaeifolia. Can anyone > give me some advice?