Nhu Nguyen
Fri, 06 Jun 2008 10:24:19 PDT

I enjoyed that tidbit about the taxonomic nightmares of some plant groups. I
use IPNI very often, but it's major flaw is that it list all synonyms and
does not indicate which is the most currently accepted one. I hope your
search goes well.


On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Iain Brodie of Falsyde <> wrote:

> Picking up on Mary Sue's struggle and concerns about the changes, it seems
> ever ending, on the taxonomy front while I fully agree and appreciate the
> difficulties we really all would be in massive difficulties without the
> basics and adhering to the International   Rules of Nomenclature, which
> rules are regularly reviewed and revised.
> For those who need to do a regular check up or research on names doing as
> Mary Sue does by going to IPNI via Google,             or whoever, is by far
> the best way to discover the correct taxonomic status as currently accepted.
> HOWEVER be aware that    even there the records are not necessarily up to
> date as is apparent e.g. in relation to Lilium and by grounds of probability
>     other    genera too. The IPNI system is a joint venture between the
> Royal Botanic Gardens Kew in London and Grays in / at          [I think]
> Arnold in the USA. It is the generally accepted international resource on
> nomenclature and used without reservation        by China Japan etc however
> not entirely  as I am finding with the same equanimity by Russia.
> Mary Sue raised issues about confusion over naming and name usage which I
> am increasingly learning to appreciate e.g. in relation to my research for
> my monograph on Lilium etc. To illustrate, in round numbers approximately
> for the present there        are some 140 botanical species and subspecies
> of Lilium, plus so far an uncalculated number of botanical varieties, never
>        mind cultivars of which the Int. Lily Registrar lists around 10,000.
> Ignoring the Cultivars / Hybrids and the varieties for the 140      taxa
> number, I have therefore so far discovered in researches to date some 550
> Synonyms . That might seem bad enough but   most species lilies do not have
> any synonyms, or perhaps just one or two, but clearly several have legions
> of synonyms and it       is proving a nightmare working through it all
> because the correct name for any species of plant, or organism, is required
> to be     known by the first recorded validly published name, by date. As a
> consequence some fa
>  miliar names are set to bite the dust      and now is that ever going to
> make me popular!
> Apologies for the length of this contribution but it seems the generality
> of contributors on this forum are of the more serious plantaholic type with
> a higher level of scientific appreciation than can be found on several other
> sites I no longer visit.
> Happy summer gardening and keep the bugs off the flowers.   Iain
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