On 18 Mar 08, at 15:41, Jim McKenney wrote: > I think I follow you, Roger. > > If so, then to indicate that scenario where all the claimants to the > name Guinea Gold are grouped, should we write Eranthis hyemalis > Tubergenii Group Guinea Gold Group? Eranthis hyemalis Guinea Gold > Group? Eranthis Guinea Gold Group? I think not. "Guinea Gold" is a clonal name, or at least seems to interpreted in that light, so is only applicable to vegetative descendants of the original seedling. "Tubergenii" is a group name that can be used as "Tubergenii Group" or as " × tubergenii", more or less to taste. The word "grex" may be lurking in the bushes somewhere, making faint rustling noises, but I know it not. IOW, you can write for the authentic, echt-Guinea Gold plant, presuming you can nail it down 1. Eranthis × tubergenii 'Guinea Gold' or 2. Eranthis hyemalis Tubergenii Group 'Guinea Gold' The point being that the Guinea Gold lookalikes *are* the Tubergenii Group. Don't sue me if I'm wrong. Read this all with a grain of salt, because I'm not a real expert on such nomenclatural matters; I only pretend to be one. > Is there a better way? Absolutely. You can join my new religion, pay me all your money, chant the mantras, wear the funny robes, do the yogic poses, contemplate suitably zenoid questions, attend lengthy midnight ceremonies where there are no chairs, and enlightenment will be yours. Maybe. The line forms to the left, ladies and gentlemen. I'm not a real guru or prophet, however; I only pretend to be one. [It's spring, the sap is rising, and some people's senses of humor are working overtime.] -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Maritime Zone 8, a cool Mediterranean climate on beautiful Vancouver Island