Thank you, Bill Aley. This whole area has become unnecessarily complicated as a result of its being run by Homeland Security and a different kind of bureaucratization keyed to threat, real or not.. ----- Original Message ----- From: <pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org> To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:52 AM Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 72, Issue 25 > Send pbs mailing list submissions to > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." > > > List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist/> > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Norm Kalbfleisch added you as a connection on Plaxo > (Douglas Westfall) > 2. New Email (Dell Sherk) > 3. Pacific BX 195 (Dell Sherk) > 4. Membership renewal (Dell Sherk) > 5. evergreen chives? (Diane Whitehead) > 6. Re: evergreen chives? (Lauw de Jager) > 7. Re: evergreen chives? (Diane Whitehead) > 8. Re: evergreen chives? (PJOSPUX@aol.com) > 9. Re: evergreen chives? (DavBouch5@aol.com) > 10. Bowiea Nana (B.J.M. Zonneveld) > 11. Plant exchange options (WDA) > 12. Plant exchange options (WDA) > 13. Re: Membership renewal (Ruth Bierhoff) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:30:41 -0800 > From: Douglas Westfall <eagle85@flash.net> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Norm Kalbfleisch added you as a connection on Plaxo > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <4288E57C-645D-4F39-9591-92576BC8803B@flash.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > "Norm Kalbfleisch wants to add you as a connection on Plaxo." > > DO NOT, REPEAT, DO NOT ADD MY NAME OR EMAIL ADDRESS!!! > > DOUG WESTFALL > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 14:44:42 -0500 > From: "Dell Sherk" <ds429@comcast.net> > Subject: [pbs] New Email > To: "General PBS forum" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <000e01c979a5$3565f990$a031ecb0$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Dear All, > > > > I have a new email address. The old one dells@voicenet.com still works for > the time being, but please start using the new one ds429@comcast.net > > > > Best wishes, > > Dell > > > > Dell Sherk, PBS BX > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 14:41:34 -0500 > From: "Dell Sherk" <ds429@comcast.net> > Subject: [pbs] Pacific BX 195 > To: "'Adam Fikso'" <adam14113@ameritech.net>, "Annalee" > <pasogal@ameritech.net>, "Cathy Craig" <CathyCraigEA@hotmail.com>, > <DavBouch5@aol.com>, "Douglas Westfall" <eagle85@flash.net>, "General > PBS forum" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>, "John Lonsdale" > <john@johnlonsdale.net>, "'Macfarlane'" <macfarla@almaden.ibm.com>, > "'Mark'" <Antennaria@aol.com>, "'Mark Wilcox'" <marque219@yahoo.com>, > "'Pat Colville'" <Pat.Colville@JHResearchUSA.com>, "The Masterson > Family" <masterson4@cox.net> > Message-ID: <000d01c979a4$c53aeae0$4fb0c0a0$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dear All, > > The items listed below have been donated by our members to be > shared. > > If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me > PRIVATELY > at <ds429@comcast.net>. Include "BX 195" in the subject line. > > Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not > specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, > too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based on a first > come, > first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, > included with them, a statement of how much money (usually $2.00/item) > (cash, check, or Pay Pal to <Arnold@NJ.rr.com>; no money orders, please) > you > should send the PBS treasurer to defray our costs for packing and > first-class, priority-mail, or international postage. > > PLEASE NOTE: NEW POSTAL-RATE SCHEMES NECESSITATE OUR PLACING A SURCHARGE > ON > EACH ORDER FROM PBS BX OFFERINGS. > > Some of you are members of the online PBS discussion forum but are not > members of the Pacific Bulb Society. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO > MEMBERS OF THE PBS. Consider joining the PBS so that you can take > advantage > of future offers such as this. Go to our website: > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/ .... > > If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the > PBS,(Donors > will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their > donations.), > please send CLEAN, clearly labeled material to: > > Dell Sherk > 6832 Phillips Mill Rd. > New Hope, PA, 18938 > USA > > I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. > IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! > >From Pieter van der Walt: > > SEEDS: > > 1. Boophone disticha, "courtesy of BuPSSA, the Bulbous Plant Society of > Southern African -?a?lively group of gardeners, botanists?and > horticulturists who meet once a month at the Walter Sisulu Botanical > Garden > in Roodepoort, Gauteng, for a talk about bulbs by an expert speaker. > BuPSSA > has been going for about two years now, and hope to have a webpage up and > running in the near future to facilitate communication, post articles and > manage the seed exchange that?sprouted from?its meetings. BuPSSA aims to > serve a similar membership?than IBSA, but for the Northern regions of > South > Africa, international membership will also become possible in the future, > once their journal has been sorted out." > ? > 2. Crinum ligulatum, "originally from Itremo, Madagascar. The seeds?are > from?hand-pollinated plants in my collection. This is a very beautiful > species." > ? > 3. Nelumbo nucifera var. caspicum aka Russian Red Lotus, "from the Volga > River Delta in Russia, I received my original material from Walter Pagels > who is known the world over?for his contributions to watergardening. These > have single, dark pink flowers which are produced prolifically through > summer." > > Thank you, Pieter !! > > Best wishes, > Dell > > Dell Sherk, Director, PBS BX > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:00:33 -0500 > From: "Dell Sherk" <ds429@comcast.net> > Subject: [pbs] Membership renewal > To: "'Adam Fikso'" <adam14113@ameritech.net>, "Annalee" > <pasogal@ameritech.net>, "Cathy Craig" <CathyCraigEA@hotmail.com>, > <DavBouch5@aol.com>, "Douglas Westfall" <eagle85@flash.net>, "General > PBS forum" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>, "John Lonsdale" > <john@johnlonsdale.net>, "'Macfarlane'" <macfarla@almaden.ibm.com>, > "'Mark'" <Antennaria@aol.com>, "'Mark Wilcox'" <marque219@yahoo.com>, > "'Pat Colville'" <Pat.Colville@JHResearchUSA.com>, "The Masterson > Family" <masterson4@cox.net> > Message-ID: <001401c979a7$6c825570$45870050$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi All, > > It is a new year, and some of you still have not renewed your PBS > membership > by paying your dues for 2009. If you want to keep getting the treasures > that > the PBS BX has to offer, renew right away. Go to the website: > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/ > > Best wishes, > Dell > > Dell Sherk, PBS BX > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 23:18:54 -0800 > From: Diane Whitehead <voltaire@islandnet.com> > Subject: [pbs] evergreen chives? > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <8258D75B-8F5A-414F-943E-CB762586D1D5@islandnet.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > I am planning projects for the summer and decided I really want to > grow some evergreen chives. I can pick all my herbs year round except > for basil, chives and mint. Of those, chives are the ones most > frequently used. > > I checked the wiki chives page,which shows lots of pretty flowers, > but it doesn't mention whether any of them keep their leaves. > > Does anyone know of evergreen ones? > > Diane Whitehead > Victoria, British Columbia, Canada > maritime zone 8, cool Mediterranean climate > mild rainy winters, mild dry summers > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 08:39:50 +0100 > From: Lauw de Jager <dejager@bulbargence.com> > Subject: Re: [pbs] evergreen chives? > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <C599ECD6.457F%dejager@bulbargence.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > > Diana, > I assume that mean Allium schoenoprasum? > Its vegetative period is here (in our m?diterranean climate) from March > till November For more information see growing cycle in the link: > http://bulbargence.com/m_catalogue/article.php/… > e=44&val= > `Transplanting is generally done during the winter months. > Kind greetings > > -- Lauw de Jager > Bulb'Argence > South of France (zone 9 (olive trees) > emailto: dejager@bulbargence.com > Site http://www.bulbargence.com/ > > > > > Le 19/01/09 8:18, ??Diane Whitehead?? <voltaire@islandnet.com> a ?crit?: > >> I am planning projects for the summer and decided I really want to >> grow some evergreen chives. I can pick all my herbs year round except >> for basil, chives and mint. Of those, chives are the ones most >> frequently used. >> I checked the wiki chives page,which shows lots of pretty flowers, >> but it doesn't mention whether any of them keep their leaves. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 00:21:23 -0800 > From: Diane Whitehead <voltaire@islandnet.com> > Subject: Re: [pbs] evergreen chives? > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <7542338E-70C2-4E6F-92B7-C941236B91EC@islandnet.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Yes. A herb website in the U.K. says it is evergreen except in very > cold winters. However, none of my plants keep their leaves past > November, and it is not always cold then. ( I should check to see if > there is a correlation with Dahlia and A. schoenoprasum.) > > Diane > > > On 18-Jan-09, at 11:39 PM, Lauw de Jager wrote: > >> Diana, >> I assume that mean Allium schoenoprasum? >> Its vegetative period is here (in our m?diterranean climate) from >> March till November > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 05:05:29 EST > From: PJOSPUX@aol.com > Subject: Re: [pbs] evergreen chives? > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: <c19.4c8e1023.36a5aa69@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Yes it is evergreen here in Kent SE UK, but it stops growing for at least > three months so if cropped you've had it until the spring. I suppose > cloches > would help provide some better growing conditions. > > Paul..wet, windy and foul > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 05:33:45 EST > From: DavBouch5@aol.com > Subject: Re: [pbs] evergreen chives? > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: <bd1.4933821b.36a5b109@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Diane > > There is a variety of chives with pink flowers, and also one with white > flowers that grow all year here in Hawaii.. Don't know the names, but > evergreen > chives exist. > > David Boucher > > > ************** > Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the > nation's capital. > (http://news.aol.com/main/politics/…) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:15:50 +0100 > From: "B.J.M. Zonneveld" <B.J.M.Zonneveld@biology.leidenuniv.nl> > Subject: [pbs] Bowiea Nana > To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: > <8E19E8A2233ED74D8483ACF3FBB3603B0268A60E@iblmail.ibl.leidenuniv.nl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > I incline to agree with Alberto on Bowiea differences However I don't > know what nana is ( kilimandscharica? ) That is why I asked for seed. > Roy Herold offered to send me some. He also ponted me to a nice picture > of Nana but I could not see any difference with kilim. > b.j.m.zonneveld@biology.leidenuniv.nl > Institute of Molecular Plant Sciences > Clusius laboratory > PBox 9505 > 2300RA Leiden > The Netherlands > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 08:25:35 -0500 > From: WDA <aley_wd@mac.com> > Subject: [pbs] Plant exchange options > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <13893909725664732583672052267378794314-Webmail@me.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Peter, > As a "lurker" to the PBS web dialog,I always find the conversation threads > about plant exchanges interesting and when the annual plant, seed and bulb > exchange starts to go full swing I think that it's important to remind the > group about import requirements of transferring living plant material > internationally. For many countries there a few restrictions while other > countries have very precise rules. It's important to know what those > restrictions are for successful plant material exchanges. I am not > advocating what's right and fair nor justifying why it's necessary to work > around the plant cops, but awareness, If for no other reason than to avoid > loosing limited or rare plant material is always in one's best interest. > In the USA, APHIS is trying to change many of the existing requirements > to allow plant movement while minimizing plant and environment pest risk. > It goes without saying that the USA requirements can be complex and often > lacking equality when not transiting through the commercial systems. > There are a few programs established such as the small lots of seed and > the 12 plants or less that try to equalize between corporate growers and > individual collectors. Usually phytosanitary certificates are required for > almost all transactions. Sometimes these documents, when the right > government official can be found, cost more than the plant material one is > shipping. > When sending to the USA, any plant material without a phytosanitary > certificate, (unless the recipient has an appropriate permit), involves a > certain amount of risk to loosing the material. The laws and requirements > that are in place have been as the result of a previous problem.The > requirements are not put in place to punish or exclude individuals, but > some are outdated and the Department of Homeland Security continues to > increase their presence in both mail facilities and small package systems > and the tools the use to detect and find are getting more refined and > they increase the numbers of staff who are looking for anything not within > the official processes. Even having the right documents may not be enough > sometimes, but lacking them altogether, when the material is found it will > result in the loss and destruction. Like it or not, DHS keeps records of > infractions and they will investigate and follow up on individuals with a > history of plant "smuggling" which is a term > used when someone ships without the appropriate documents. Recently they > have been accessing fines and penalties to the importer for the actions of > the exporter. Under the current legal system the government has been > winning cases of the importer not preparing the exporter sufficiently or > ensuring that the appropriate documents are in the shipment and the > rewarding the importer with stiff financial penalties. > I always suggest individuals become aware and educated about how the > process works then find ways to make it adapt to your own individual > situations. > There is a saying in the anti-smuggling business. "We only catch the dumb > ones and we are constantly training the next generation of smugglers". > Personally I believe that it's much easier to learn how to work within the > systems because in the end, everyone gets what they want. > > I'll go back to lurking on the sidelines > Bill Aley > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 08:34:39 -0500 > From: WDA <aley_wd@mac.com> > Subject: [pbs] Plant exchange options > To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <64623766904325600605678877005948486400-Webmail@me.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Peter, > As a "lurker" to the PBS web dialog,I always find the conversation threads > about plant exchanges interesting and when the annual plant, seed and bulb > exchange starts to go full swing I think that it's important to remind the > group about import requirements of transferring living plant material > internationally. For many countries there a few restrictions while other > countries have very precise rules. It's important to know what those > restrictions are for successful plant material exchanges. I am not > advocating what's right and fair nor justifying why it's necessary to work > around the plant cops, but awareness, If for no other reason than to avoid > loosing limited or rare plant material is always in one's best interest. > In the USA, APHIS is trying to change many of the existing requirements > to allow plant movement while minimizing plant and environment pest risk. > It goes without saying that the USA requirements can be complex and often > lacking equality when not transiting through the commercial systems. > There are a few programs established such as the small lots of seed and > the 12 plants or less that try to equalize between corporate growers and > individual collectors. Usually phytosanitary certificates are required for > almost all transactions. Sometimes these documents, when the right > government official can be found, cost more than the plant material one is > shipping. > When sending to the USA, any plant material without a phytosanitary > certificate, (unless the recipient has an appropriate permit), involves a > certain amount of risk to loosing the material. The laws and requirements > that are in place have been as the result of a previous problem.The > requirements are not put in place to punish or exclude individuals, but > some are outdated and the Department of Homeland Security continues to > increase their presence in both mail facilities and small package systems > and the tools the use to detect and find are getting more refined and > they increase the numbers of staff who are looking for anything not within > the official processes. Even having the right documents may not be enough > sometimes, but lacking them altogether, when the material is found it will > result in the loss and destruction. Like it or not, DHS keeps records of > infractions and they will investigate and follow up on individuals with a > history of plant "smuggling" which is a term > used when someone ships without the appropriate documents. Recently they > have been accessing fines and penalties to the importer for the actions of > the exporter. Under the current legal system the government has been > winning cases of the importer not preparing the exporter sufficiently or > ensuring that the appropriate documents are in the shipment and the > rewarding the importer with stiff financial penalties. > I always suggest individuals become aware and educated about how the > process works then find ways to make it adapt to your own individual > situations. > There is a saying in the anti-smuggling business. "We only catch the dumb > ones and we are constantly training the next generation of smugglers". > Personally I believe that it's much easier to learn how to work within the > systems because in the end, everyone gets what they want. > > I'll go back to lurking on the sidelines > Bill Aley > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:52:04 -0500 > From: "Ruth Bierhoff" <email@ruthbierhoff.com> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Membership renewal > To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> > Message-ID: <C24FD2C8EEFB4DAE98E3567F67708200@bierhoffcjj14d> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Dell, > To the best of my knowledge my membership is good to Jan 1/2010. I became > a > new member in October 2008. If I need to renew anyway, please let me know. > Thanks, > Ruth Bierhoff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dell Sherk" <ds429@comcast.net> > To: "'Adam Fikso'" <adam14113@ameritech.net>; "Annalee" > <pasogal@ameritech.net>; "Cathy Craig" <CathyCraigEA@hotmail.com>; > <DavBouch5@aol.com>; "Douglas Westfall" <eagle85@flash.net>; "General PBS > forum" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>; "John Lonsdale" <john@johnlonsdale.net>; > "'Macfarlane'" <macfarla@almaden.ibm.com>; "'Mark'" <Antennaria@aol.com>; > "'Mark Wilcox'" <marque219@yahoo.com>; "'Pat Colville'" > <Pat.Colville@JHResearchUSA.com>; "The Masterson Family" > <masterson4@cox.net> > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 3:00 PM > Subject: [pbs] Membership renewal > > >> Hi All, >> >> It is a new year, and some of you still have not renewed your PBS >> membership >> by paying your dues for 2009. If you want to keep getting the treasures >> that >> the PBS BX has to offer, renew right away. Go to the website: >> http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/ >> >> Best wishes, >> Dell >> >> Dell Sherk, PBS BX >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 72, Issue 25 > ***********************************