I'm curious about the production of viable seeds among members of the lily family. Some weeks ago the topic of sorting viable seeds from nonviable seeds in Lilium came up, if memory serves. (Sorry, I did not go back to check PBS archives). Keeping this in mind, when I was cleaning tulip and Erythronium seeds today, I noticed that the tulip seeds in the first lot sorted out into 3 groups: Light-colored seeds often misshapen, and always light brown to clear (56%); brown seeds with a lighter interior (37 percent); brown seeds with a tiny straight dark line near the more acutely pointed end (7 percent). Is this a typical ratio for viable seeds? I know there must be climatic variations; I am not gardening in anything like the original climate for this particular species, Tulipa sylvestris, and expect less viable seed as a result. I also had Erythronium oreganum seeds, thanks to Dave Brastow, and found 41 plump dark seeds in one pod, and one pod of Tulipa vvedenskyi, out of which came 2 dark seeds, no sign of an embryo, and hundreds of pale, thin, empty seeds. I have 4 pods of later flowering Tulipa clusiana drying now. Deer got the rest this year. Kathleen In cloudy, rainy SW Washington.