Good one Kenneth, I never get involved in these discussions even though some of them irk me to my very core, but loved what Kenneth said - "If the Nature Conservancy is to achieve its' goal, man and his crops will have to be eradicated." Thank you, I needed the laugh! I was thinking a cleansing of the herd was long overdue - worldwide! Oops, I did say that out loud! And I have to agree on this last comment as well, all of the MG's that I know, well, yes, disappointing. "One last thought--at least in my area, Master Gardeners--some are good, but my experience has been that I know far more than they do, and that is not meant as a brag on my part--I'm disappointed." Linda Foulis Red Deer, AB Canada Steady rain today, we need it.