Justin: See: Hypogeal Lilies Oriental lily species, such as L. auratum, L. speciosum, L. nobilissimum, L. rubellum, L. alexandrae, and L. japonicum and Martagon species L. martagon, L. hansonii, L. medeoloides, and L. tsingtauense, are all hypogeal. Hypogeal lilies require two or more stages with variations of temperature particular to each stage. For hypogeal lilies, the first stage of germination takes place entirely underground where the bulb is created. Hypogeals require a warm period of 3 months at 70°F, followed by a 3 month period at 40°F. A juvenile leaf appears in the second stage. The tiny bulbs are then planted in a warm area, usually outdoors Arnold Dec 4, 2010 03:39:59 PM, pbs@lists.ibiblio.org wrote: Hi All, The Lillium michauxii seed I donated are wild collected. My knowledge of Lilium is quite lacking but I was told that this species only sends out a root the first year and will sprout a leaf on the second year. So don't throw them out too soon! Justin Smith Woodville, TX 8b/9a