Was Hybrids Species now Cleistogamy.

James Waddick jwaddick@kc.rr.com
Wed, 16 Jun 2010 08:10:14 PDT
>I find Jim Waddick's comments somewhat at odds with the spirit of 
>this list, and believe there is as much chance of learning something 
>here as there is in college classes, where twitter apparently rules.

Dear Friends,
	I fully apologize as I do not want to disparage any informed 
communication. This list excels at a high level of commentary.

	I am however, offended by comments based on neither 
experience or facts. There are authorities easily available on the 
topic under discussion. Members of this forum would benefit from 
reading international rules on the topics of hybrids and  species.  A 
discussion of rules as it applies to bulbs (!) would be on topic.

	I am irritated when topics go astray and headings do not 
change. Perhaps someone needs to define terms before asking our newer 
members to reply to this question, especially in regard to a somewhat 
esoteric vocabulary, such as -

	"And does anyone know of a truly cleistogamous geophyte*? "

	There are a number of on-line dictionaries, but Oxford 
University Press (Dictionary of Botany)  is normally a good on. 
Unfortunately 'Cleistogamy' is not included. Another dictionary in 
hand  (Facts on File : Dictionary of Botany" ) defines:

	Cleistogamy: The production of flowers that do not open to 
expose the reproductive organs, so preventing cross pollination.

	as opposed to

	Apomixis Asexual reproduction in plants without fertilization 
or meiosis.

	Both topics are quite different and as they relate to bulbs 
are worthy of discussion.

	Finally, I can't recall such a situation in bulbous plants 
off hand, but I haven't really thought about much. Hardly worth a 

		With apologies and thanks		Jim W.

*	 As an aside, we all use the term"geophyte'  to mean 
'bulbous' (in the largest sense)  plant, but the name actually means 
"earth - plant' as opposed to "epiphyte" for plants that grow on 
other plants, or "lithophyte" for plants that grow on rocks, etc.

	So "geophyte' actually refers to any plant that grows on/in 
the earth from Apples to Zinnia, but not especially centering on 
plants with enlarged underground growth. C'est La Vie.
Dr. James W. Waddick
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