Sometimes I think the members of this list are more interested in talking about food than bulbs. I suspect it drives some people who subscribed to talk about bulbs, corms, rhizomes, tubers, geophytes crazy or encourages them to unsubscribe from the list. I know in the introduction to this list we say that we expect that from time to time we know people will want to talk about other things they grow, but please when you start something that is off topic label it as such first in the subject line and please, if you respond to these off topics subjects could you do it privately for the sake of all of those people who signed up for the subject. I know we allow some leeway on this list, but lately there are more off topic posts than on topic posts. Mary Sue who is not very successful at herding cats