Reflectix and oncocylus notes

Adam Fikso adam14113@ameritech.net
Tue, 09 Nov 2010 08:03:46 PST
Hi.  Southeast is interesting because that's the exposure noted by 
Werckmeister and somebody else (Mouterde?) in an early paper for plants in 
Syria.   Probably morning sun and only light from later when the sun's 
really hot in  summer. .


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "P. C. Andrews" <pcamusa@hotmail.com>
To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: [pbs] Reflectix


>
> Hi Adam- There is not a huge lake effect here but the winters don't seem 
> any worse than mid-Indiana.  The bed has a very minimal slope to the 
> southeast but is against the foundation which offers some protection and 
> it has a thick layer of sand for drainage (with a gravel drainage channel 
> at the drip edge).  I have a gradient of plants from the foundation 
> outwards graded by cold and moisture sensitivity (mostly by trial and 
> error).
> Regards,
> Phil
>
>> From: adam14113@ameritech.net
>> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
>> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:16:56 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [pbs] Reflectix
>>
>> Phil?  Your climate is much like mine in Glenview,IL  Maybe a tad warmer 
>> due
>> to lake effect and prevaiing winds.  Does your soil slope to the SW?.
>> Better if it does for combined effects of drainage, wind direction, etc. 
>> .
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "P. C. Andrews" <pcamusa@hotmail.com>
>> To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 6:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: [pbs] Reflectix
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Hi All- Thanks for all your comments.  In my case I have the sand bed 
>> > and
>> > the stone mulch bone dry when I cover it so I am not particularly
>> > concerned about rot.  In fact, dryness seems to be as important as
>> > insulation.  My major concern is keeping snow melt out of the soil with
>> > the consequent freeze damage in the next temperature drop.
>> > So I went ahead and picked up a couple of rolls tonight and I'll report 
>> > on
>> > performance some time in April.
>> > Regards,
>> > Phil
>> > Southern (tropical) Michigan, zone 5ish.
>> >
>> >
>> >> From: adam14113@ameritech.net
>> >> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
>> >> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:55:04 -0600
>> >> Subject: Re: [pbs] Reflectix
>> >>
>> >> Hello Santoury in Mass.  In was talking about growing oncocyclus 
>> >> species
>> >> and
>> >> hybrids.  (very touchy) as examples of touchy geophytes.  the idea was
>> >> the
>> >> the method might be extended to others needing to be protected.
>> >>
>> >> Sounds as if you missed a posting.   Regards, Adam
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> From: <santoury@aol.com>
>> >> To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> >> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 4:07 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [pbs] Reflectix
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > I thought we were talking about bubble wrap? Isn't that plastic? 
>> >> > Pardon
>> >> > if
>> >> > I misunderstood.
>> >> > The moisture from the rotting leaves is what causes the root rot 
>> >> > that
>> >> > kills them.
>> >> > Sand actually probably may be part of the problem, since sand is 
>> >> > very
>> >> > compressed, and does not allow for any air circulation.
>> >> > Maybe it would be helpful to know what kind of plants you're talking
>> >> > about.
>> >> > Massachusetts is probably much milder, but it's also very wet in
>> >> > winter.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't cover the plants  wet.  Also, the fact that the styrofoam
>> >> > panels
>> >> > are flat allows air circulation under it.  Also each plant is 
>> >> > covered
>> >> > with
>> >> > 2-4" of dry sand..  Massachusetts winters can't be harsher than 
>> >> > Chicago
>> >> > in
>> >> > terms of degrees below zero
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: <santoury@aol.com>
>> >> > To: <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> >> > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 3:21 PM
>> >> > Subject: Re: [pbs] Reflectix
>> >> >
>> >> >>I did not see the original post - but plastic will rot anything 
>> >> >>under
>> >> >>it.
>> >> >> >People here in Mass. cover lawns with plastic, or even tarps, in
>> >> >> >order to
>> >> >> >kill grass, and everything else, to re-seed.
>> >> >> People here use HAY for protection in winter. It would also be a 
>> >> >> much
>> >> >>  >
>> >> >> better insulator than a sheet of plastic.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -----Original Message----- 
>> >> >> From: Jtlehmann@aol.com
>> >> >> To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org
>> >> >> Sent: Mon, Nov 8, 2010 2:25 pm
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [pbs] Reflectix
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I realize the interest is covering the entire bed, and not 
>> >> >> individual
>> >> >> plants, but as a word of caution:  I have known people who used
>> >> >> regular >
>> >> >> bubble
>> >> >> wrap to protect individual tender plants without success; I know of 
>> >> >> no
>> >> >>  >
>> >> >> one
>> >> >> who has used it with success.  The plants rot over the winter.
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