From maxwithers@gmail.com Fri Apr 1 00:00:10 2011 Message-Id: From: Max Withers Subject: Impatiens flanaganae Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 21:00:09 -0700 Warren, I live close to Annie's Annuals and could possibly get you an I. flanaganae if you alert me when they become available. (Or you could wait a week or two and look for them on ebay for triple the price!) I am friendly with several of the lovely plantswomen who run the nursery, and I can assure you they go out of their way to help customers whom I might consider extremely irritating. There is always a reason for the occasional seemingly draconian restriction. Anyway, sign up for an email alert and let me know when they have them, and I will try to get one for you. Best, Max Withers Oakland CA Currently growing II tinctoria and namchabarwensis from Annie's. Let's not talk of the rare spp. I have killed. From warren_keller@yahoo.com Fri Apr 1 00:02:02 2011 Message-Id: <983331911-1301630518-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1020878259-@bda2439.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> From: "Warren Keller" Subject: Impatiens flanaganae Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 04:01:57 +0000 Wow thank you. I will for sure. I've been looking for this impatiens for a while now. So I got bummed when I saw annies had it and that I was unable to get any. As I don't live near to annies. Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Max Withers Sender: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 21:00:09 To: Reply-To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] Impatiens flanaganae Warren, I live close to Annie's Annuals and could possibly get you an I. flanaganae if you alert me when they become available. (Or you could wait a week or two and look for them on ebay for triple the price!) I am friendly with several of the lovely plantswomen who run the nursery, and I can assure you they go out of their way to help customers whom I might consider extremely irritating. There is always a reason for the occasional seemingly draconian restriction. Anyway, sign up for an email alert and let me know when they have them, and I will try to get one for you. Best, Max Withers Oakland CA Currently growing II tinctoria and namchabarwensis from Annie's. Let's not talk of the rare spp. I have killed. From sipos.barna@gmail.com Fri Apr 1 06:14:19 2011 Message-Id: <5F5C3E3A-BF19-427F-B1F2-D01CB802496E@gmail.com> From: Barna Sipos Subject: Impatiens flanaganae Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 11:14:14 +0100 Try here: http://www.strangewonderfulthings.com/index.html Maybe he can help. http://www.strangewonderfulthings.com/188.htm On 1 Apr 2011, at 01:06, Warren Keller wrote: > anyone have this available? to buy or trade? please let me know > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From Santoury@aol.com Fri Apr 1 08:46:59 2011 Message-Id: <8CDBE81F31E7A39-1640-156A8@webmail-d018.sysops.aol.com> From: santoury@aol.com Subject: Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 08:46:26 -0400 Hello, I am sorry for emailing the list, but I don't think my email is going through, as I've emailed Warren twice now with no response. I have some Massonia bulbs, and am interested in your Haemanthus. Please email me direct. Best, Jude -----Original Message----- From: Warren Keller To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:34 pm Subject: [pbs] Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus Hi there, i have 4 haemanthus deformis left and about 10 of Haemanthus crispus very large bulbs, just got in the garden today, finally some sun from all the rain, and now am shipping my orders. Just looking to trade for massonia, any variety, please email me if you have any questions, looking for good sized bulbs of massonia, thank you Warren _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From johannes-ulrich-urban@t-online.de Fri Apr 1 18:15:10 2011 Message-Id: <1Q5gVe-0UnCYy0@fwd07.t-online.de> From: Subject: impatiens flanagranae Date: 01 Apr 2011 15:41 GMT Dear Warren, Having read the contributions about Impatiens flanagranae, I tipped out my pot and found it full of tubers. Most of them are sprouting but I am sure there will be a non sprouted one for you. Please e-mail me privately to arrange for a posting. I got it last year through the BX, it grew nicely, was slightly prone to aphids, and did not flower. The tubers were small though compared to how they look now (I am not complaining) I does not like direct sun and needs a lot of water while in growth and a dry rest in its pot in its dry compost. Bye for today, Uli From dkramb@gmail.com Fri Apr 1 17:13:14 2011 Message-Id: From: Dennis Kramb Subject: sunchokes, yacón, and oca Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 11:52:39 -0400 I'm preparing my vegetable garden this year and decided to try sunchokes, aka: jerusalem artichokes. Obviously a geophyte, I'm wondering what experiences people on the PBS list have with different varieties & flavors of this plant. I ended up buying some tubers from a small farm in North Carolina. They're not any particular named variety... just listed as heirloom. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunchoke During my internet searching I also nearly bought a similar South American plant called yacón. But decided to stick with the sunchokes for now, since sunchokes don't need to be protected here in wintertime. Does anyone on PBS grow yacón? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yac%C3%B3n Several of you were growing oca last year. I think that my climate is too cold for good crop production of oca, but maybe there are some cold tolerant varieties now? Anyone know? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oca I'm hungry. :-) Dennis in Cincinnati From Santoury@aol.com Fri Apr 1 17:03:19 2011 Message-Id: <8CDBEB9820A9777-1AEC-220AE@web-mmc-m07.sysops.aol.com> From: santoury@aol.com Subject: Veltheimia brac. aurea Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 15:24:08 -0400 Another PBSer and I were talking about the yellow Veltheimia, and how both of us have had poor luck with this cultivar. He lost some seedlings, and I could never get the seeds to grow (My pinks, and Rosalbas come up like weeds, under identical conditions.) I am wondering if this is a common issue people have with the yellow ones for some reason? Or are these just two isolated "bad luck" incidents? Curious to see what others have to say. Jude From awilson@avonia.com Fri Apr 1 17:33:52 2011 Message-Id: <2F08D5286B054979874481FFD6B0B1EB@Desktop> From: "AW" Subject: Veltheimia brac. aurea Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 14:23:47 -0700 Dear Jude, I find the 'yellow' form a weaker growing plant, but it does bloom reliably. The only difficulty is that the animals devour both it and the other colored forms just as soon as the blooms are almost fully open. There's frustration around here! Andrew San Diego -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of santoury@aol.com Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 12:24 PM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: [pbs] Veltheimia brac. aurea Another PBSer and I were talking about the yellow Veltheimia, and how both of us have had poor luck with this cultivar. He lost some seedlings, and I could never get the seeds to grow (My pinks, and Rosalbas come up like weeds, under identical conditions.) I am wondering if this is a common issue people have with the yellow ones for some reason? Or are these just two isolated "bad luck" incidents? Curious to see what others have to say. Jude From jamesamckenney@verizon.net Fri, 14 Oct 2011 13:40:44 -0700 Message-Id: <377228.95028.qm@web84304.mail.re1.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: sunchokes, yacón, and oca Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 15:05:29 -0700 (PDT) Dennis, I hope you have plenty of room because sunchokes are extremely vigorous and weedy. Some of them grow up to 8 or 10 feet tall, and they roam underground as annoyingly as some bamboos.   Jim McKenney From tiede@pacbell.net Fri Apr 1 18:39:21 2011 Message-Id: <003401cbf0bd$99f86870$cde93950$@net> From: "Bracey Tiede" Subject: Bulb Conference in South Africa Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 15:39:02 -0700 The IBSA is having a bulb and corm conference in August/September 2011 in South Africa. Here's part of the PDF flyer they have: "The Indigenous Bulb Society of South Africa (IBSA) will be holding its next Symposium showcasing South African bulbs and corms during August and September 2011. Established in 1961, IBSA will be celebrating its 50th birthday with this Symposium at the new and improved Goudini Spa from 28 August to 2 September 2011. The natural warm water spa at Goudini is near Worcester and close to the internationally renowned Cape vineyards. Delegates will book into the Spa on Sunday 28 August. During the first two days of the Symposium there will be lectures and discussions on a wide variety of topics relating to South African geophytes. The next three days will be dedicated to field trips to the surrounding areas to see some of the plants discussed in their natural splendour. Transport for the Symposium excursions will be provided." I'll be happy to send the full PDF with registration materials to anyone who wants it. Please send me (tiede@pacbell.net) your request for a copy. Please do not reply to the group. Cheers, Bracey San Jose CA From ksayce@willapabay.org Fri Apr 1 19:48:25 2011 Message-Id: <4841FB23-7D95-4959-A391-7323653B1B1E@willapabay.org> From: Kathleen Sayce Subject: fritillaries Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 16:34:37 -0700 Here's a general fritillary question: I planted a bulb of what I think is Fritillaria persica years ago, have lost the label, and have never had it bloom. It's on a sunny slope in my garden, above the winter-soggy soil about a foot. This bulb had a hard life in my yard: the first year it came up the deer ate it down. They left it alone the next year, when it put up two shoots, and both flopped over when they were about 1 ft tall. The slugs found one of the shoots and nibbled the side, and the top with the leaves broke off. This year it sprouted again, two shoots, and these have now flopped over. Among the frit-experts in the list, can you tell me what is going on with the floppy over? Does this bulb needs to be drier (which translates to me moving it higher up) or what? I would like to have a healthy, strong, upright fritillaria, and now that I've lost the tag, it will have to bloom for me to confirm that it is F. persica. Among the joyful things: the wet spring is again blighting Ornithogalum umbellatum bulbs, which sets the foliage back so hard that while they bloom, the bulbs cannot set seed. Downside is that it is also blighting my other Ornithogalums. Oh well. Also, wild Erythronium revolutum seed I collected in 2009 put up first leaves en mass a few weeks ago. I gently transplanted them into a much larger pot, as some were already growing out the bottom, placing them deeper in the soil as well, and they are doing well. Kathleen PNW, zone 7-8, damp, cool and dim, 30 plus days of rain and still raining From janemcgary@earthlink.net Fri Apr 1 20:48:47 2011 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: fritillaries Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 17:33:50 -0700 Kathleen asked, >Here's a general fritillary question: I planted a bulb of what I >think is Fritillaria persica years ago, have lost the label, and >have never had it bloom. It's on a sunny slope in my garden, above >the winter-soggy soil about a foot. >This bulb had a hard life in my yard: the first year it came up the >deer ate it down. They left it alone the next year, when it put up >two shoots, and both flopped over when they were about 1 ft tall. >The slugs found one of the shoots and nibbled the side, and the top >with the leaves broke off. >This year it sprouted again, two shoots, and these have now flopped over. > >Among the frit-experts in the list, can you tell me what is going on >with the floppy over? >Does this bulb needs to be drier (which translates to me moving it >higher up) or what? I've been growing F. persica (commercial form) in the open garden in the Cascade foothills (inland from where Kathleen lives on the somewhat wetter coast) for many years and have not seen this happen. I have other forms, from seed, in the bulb house, where they do well. In nature this species does grow on often steep slopes and rocky ledges, and in my country garden the soil is rocky and well drained despite 45-50 inches of rain a year. If the stems are flopping and you can't see any actual damage, above or below ground, they may be infected with a disease that attacks the stems at ground level. Keeping them dry at flowering time is going to be impossible on the Washington coast, so perhaps this just isn't a species that will perform for you. You might try planting your bulbs, however, inside the drip line of a big conifer but on the sunny side of the tree. Jane McGary Portland, Oregon, USA From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Fri Apr 1 23:31:51 2011 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: Semi OT -Shame and confession Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 19:40:59 -0500 Dear PBsers, Although I have been a member of the elist and the membership organization for a number of years, a contributor to both and donor to the BX, I have passively avoid posting a background information page to the PBS Contributors page. After assuming a position as an officer of PBS, I have been mercilessly hounded (not really) to put together a bit of background about myself, my garden and plants. The results have been posted at http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/JimWaddick So now that I have been shamed into participating, I see a number of prominent PBS members who are represented by back ground 'portraits' of them and their gardening interests. Check out some of the interesting people you'll meet on this elist at http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Contributors , You'll also see who has not included their own back ground. Time to 'fess up ! Read up about the contributors to PBS and get to know them better. Best Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + From gmaculata@gmail.com Fri Apr 1 21:19:04 2011 Message-Id: From: Glen Lord Subject: Veltheimia brac. aurea Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 21:18:59 -0400 That pot that I got from you sent up 4 flower stalks from 3 bulbs this year too! On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 9:50 PM, Matt Mattus wrote: > I must be lucky, the strain I have of a a yellow Veltheimia bracteata is > very strong, in fact, stronger than my pink forms. The foliage is more > fleshy, green and a bit more fragile than the other strains, but he plant > and the floral display is taller than the pink forms in my collection. > > I purchased one bulb eight years ago, and each bulb divides into two or > three bulbs with each years growth. Last year, I have six pots, and I ended > up sharing them with friends. I then thought that I gave all of them away, > but I then found a smaller bulb that was as offset, and now it has matured, > bloomed, and has divided into two bulbs. > > This year, those bulbs have matured to their full size ( about 3.5 inches > in > diameter, which is considerably larger than my other Veltheimia bracteata > and V. bracteata rose-alba). The flower stems are also about twice as tall > as my pink forms. > > I don't remember where I purchased this bulb, perhaps Telos, but you can > see > photos of it on my blog or on my Flickr page. My Rose-Alba form is much > weaker, but still floriferous. I divided all of my Veltheimia this past > autumn, so they are all a little small this year, but now I have far too > many. I will be sharing them in the late summer with PBS BX ( but, sorry, > no > yellow since I gave them all away but those two!). > > Matt Mattus > Worcester, MA > 01607 > In Zone 5, where we had 6.5 inches of snow today. > > > On 4/1/11 4:23 PM, "AW" wrote: > > > Dear Jude, > > > > I find the 'yellow' form a weaker growing plant, but it does bloom > reliably. > > The only d > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > -- Glen From mmattus@charter.net Fri Apr 1 21:14:45 2011 Message-Id: From: Matt Mattus Subject: Veltheimia brac. aurea Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 20:50:51 -0500 I must be lucky, the strain I have of a a yellow Veltheimia bracteata is very strong, in fact, stronger than my pink forms. The foliage is more fleshy, green and a bit more fragile than the other strains, but he plant and the floral display is taller than the pink forms in my collection. I purchased one bulb eight years ago, and each bulb divides into two or three bulbs with each years growth. Last year, I have six pots, and I ended up sharing them with friends. I then thought that I gave all of them away, but I then found a smaller bulb that was as offset, and now it has matured, bloomed, and has divided into two bulbs. This year, those bulbs have matured to their full size ( about 3.5 inches in diameter, which is considerably larger than my other Veltheimia bracteata and V. bracteata rose-alba). The flower stems are also about twice as tall as my pink forms. I don't remember where I purchased this bulb, perhaps Telos, but you can see photos of it on my blog or on my Flickr page. My Rose-Alba form is much weaker, but still floriferous. I divided all of my Veltheimia this past autumn, so they are all a little small this year, but now I have far too many. I will be sharing them in the late summer with PBS BX ( but, sorry, no yellow since I gave them all away but those two!). Matt Mattus Worcester, MA 01607 In Zone 5, where we had 6.5 inches of snow today. On 4/1/11 4:23 PM, "AW" wrote: > Dear Jude, > > I find the 'yellow' form a weaker growing plant, but it does bloom reliably. > The only d From warren_keller@yahoo.com Fri Apr 1 21:53:25 2011 Message-Id: <968743.27626.qm@web84403.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> From: Warren Keller Subject: impatiens flanagranae Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 18:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Wow, nice, so you dont want it anymore? Where do you live, i live in california! ________________________________ From: "johannes-ulrich-urban@t-online.de" To: Pacifib Bulb Society messages Sent: Friday, April 1, 2011 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [pbs] impatiens flanagranae Dear Warren, Having read the contributions about Impatiens flanagranae, I tipped out my pot and found it full of tubers. Most of them are sprouting but I am sure there will be a non sprouted one for you. Please e-mail me privately to arrange for a posting. I got it last year through the BX, it grew nicely, was slightly prone to aphids, and did not flower. The tubers were small though compared to how they look now (I am not complaining) I does not like direct sun and needs a lot of water while in growth and a dry rest in its pot in its dry compost. Bye for today,  Uli From voltaire@islandnet.com Fri Apr 1 23:43:50 2011 Message-Id: <660934E6-1B3F-446E-A20F-6F236A427BA9@islandnet.com> From: Diane Whitehead Subject: sunchokes, yacón, and oca Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 20:35:14 -0700 I grew some oca a couple of years ago and then, after doing a bit of reading about its oxalic acid content, decided not to eat it. Diane Whitehead Victoria, British Columbia, Canada maritime zone 8, cool Mediterranean climate mild rainy winters, mild dry summers On 1-Apr-11, at 8:52 AM, Dennis Kramb wrote: > > Several of you were growing oca last year. I think that my climate > is too > cold for good crop production of oca, but maybe there are some cold > tolerant > varieties now? Anyone know? > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oca > From vikingdoc@earthlink.net Sat Apr 2 01:46:10 2011 Message-Id: From: "Stokman" Subject: Sunchokes, yacon and okra Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 22:35:05 -0700 Sunchokes are a pass-along plant here in California. Found at most farmer's markets, purchased tubers can be planted and will grow like the weeds they are. Unfamiliar with this plant, I put them at the base of the power pole in front of my house. Unfortunately, being a member of the sunflower family, when the plants are mature they form thick stalks with bristly, unpleasant spines, making it impossible for the workers to climb the pole. I now tear them out every year when they are small, which keeps the stalks small and much less painful. I didn't know they come in different varieties. I like the flavor but my tubers are small and hard to prepare since I won't replant them around the yard in fresh soil. I have too many invasive plants as it is. Northern California, Sierra Nevada foothills, zone 8/9, Mediterranean climate From kellyo@wetrock.com Sat Apr 2 07:06:36 2011 Message-Id: <4D969DD2.6843.688EB335@kellyo.wetrock.com> From: "Kelly O'Neill" Subject: Fungus Gnats Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 03:53:54 -0700 On 31 Mar 2011 at 16:20, Lee Poulsen wrote: ..... > ARS scientists are moving closer to developing an environmentally > friendly bacteria-based biocontrol agent that > offers long-lasting protection against caterpillars and other > pests in a garden or cultivated field. .... Sounds like they are trying to find a strain that survives in soil or other media for an extended duration. Maybe, since I think I am keeping them alive in soil, I'm just a better grower of BT :-) than the experts. Or, maybe the soilless mix I use or the heated nighttimes or something I am doing is different from the conditions they are trying to deal with. Or, maybe I am believing what I want to believe? All quite possible in my mind. I'll use my strategy until it does not seem to be working any longer. I am nervous about their potential success with creating 'super BT' strains as they are rather broad spectrum and I'm not sure we want them spreading across the surface of the earth. Mr. Kelly O'Neill http://www.bigbubblers.com and Big Bubble Magic(tm) at www.wetrock.com and Wet Rock Gardens Flower Farm 2877 N 19th Street - Springfield, Oregon 97477 U-Pick and more at the farm (open 9 to 6, Sun, Wed and Fri - from March thru Halloween) kellyo@wetrock.com - http://www.wetrock.com From brian.whyer@btinternet.com Sat Apr 2 08:03:23 2011 Message-Id: <970462.75213.qm@web86303.mail.ird.yahoo.com> From: Brian Whyer Subject: fritillaries Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 13:03:17 +0100 (BST) > Among the frit-experts in the list, can you tell me what is going on with the floppy over? > Does this bulb needs to be drier (which translates to me moving it higher up) or what? > I would like to have a healthy, strong, upright fritillaria, and now that I've lost the tag, it will > have to bloom for me to confirm that it is F. persica.   I grow F. raddeana, persica, and imperialis in large pots and it is often difficult to keep them upright. I have always associated the problem with irregular watering. Miss a day when it is sunny and they lean over, water and the growing section straitens itself up. Look in any garden centre here and F. imperialis plants are all shapes imaginable. They need feeding well in pots to flower in subsequent years. They flower in the order as above, raddeana is now over. The best F. imperialis I have ever grown were in a west facing bed in neutral heavy clay loam, very sticky in winter, the lawn in front rock hard and cracked in summer.   Brian Whyer, Buckinghamshire, England, zone~9 Mid daffodil season here now, stone fruit trees in blossom, hedges going green.   From ang.por@alice.it Sat Apr 2 09:05:32 2011 Message-Id: <12f164c71c6.ang.por@alice.it> From: "ang.por@alice.it" Subject: Veltheimia bracteata aurea Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 14:59:59 +0200 (CEST) Than I have been very unlucky !! I got two bulbs from to differet source and both were weak and looked virused. I grew them for a season, hoping to get seeds, but none made them and I have thrown them away.... very far away !! Angelo Porcelli Apulia - Southern Italy Alice body {margin:0;padding:0;} #footer { height:13px; font-size:11px; font-family:Arial, FreeSans, sans-serif; color:#ADADAD; margin:0; padding:7px 12px; text-align:right; border-top:1px solid #dcdcdc; } #footer a { text-decoration:none; color:#ADADAD; } #footer a:hover { color:#848484; } Inviato dalla nuova Alice mail From hkoopowi@uci.edu Sat Apr 2 10:23:37 2011 Message-Id: <201104021418.p32EINO0032036@xsmtp1.es.uci.edu> From: Harold Koopowitz Subject: Leucojum aestivum cvs.? Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 07:18:24 -0700 Mark: Do you know of a source of Gertrude Weisser? Harold At 11:24 PM 3/30/2011, you wrote: >Hello, >I know that Gravetye Giant may take a couple of years for its extra >large size and flowers to materialise. >But saying that, they are not that much bigger than any other form, >just enough to warrant cultivation. >Re: yellow tips.This is surely a L.vernum form? This is called >L.vernum var. 'Wagneri' variously. I have from Germany a form which >is very good and stable called 'Eva Habermeyer'.I have never heard >of a L.aestivum doing this trick. >There are quite a few cultivars being selected of L. vernum and some >being sold by Joe Sharman at Monksilver Plants in Cambridgeshire in >the U.K. But in all honesty they are only botanical oddities and >vary so little as yet from the species. >The semi-double L. vernum 'Gretrude Weisser' is around.It is a north >american selection. >I am still waiting for a true and beautiful double form of either of >these species. >Kind regards, >Mark > > > Message du 31/03/11 00:04 > > De : "James Waddick" > > A : "Pacific Bulb Society" > >" I've grown L. aestivum for ages. I just noticed a first > > flower on bulbs purchased as 'Gravetye Giant'. I bought bulbs with > > this name specifically to compare it to the old unnamed variety grown > > and seeding around. I can see no difference. > > > > I understand that there is a cv with yellow spots replacing > > the green at the distal tips of each petal. Does such a cv exist ? > > and what is it called? > > > > Are there any other cultivars or un-name variants available > > in cultivation or from collectors?" > > > >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From dkramb@gmail.com Sat Apr 2 10:19:25 2011 Message-Id: From: Dennis Kramb Subject: Sunchokes, yacon and okra Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 10:19:20 -0400 Hehhehe... I keep hearing that about sunchokes, I'll find a safe place for them. As for okra, I said oca. But I love okra too! And I'll be growing 4 kinds this season. Including one that purportedly grows 10 ft tall. I'm off to the international market in Cincy (called Jungle Jim's) to see what I can rustle up.... I'll be on the lookout for mashua, oca, olluco, yacon, and whatever other good noms I can find. Wish me luck! Dennis in Cincy (sooooo ready for spring) On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 1:35 AM, Stokman wrote: > Sunchokes are a pass-along plant here in California. Found at most > farmer's markets, purchased tubers can be planted and will grow like the > weeds they are. Unfamiliar with this plant, I put them at the base of the > power pole in front of my house. Unfortunately, being a member of the > sunflower family, when the plants are mature they form thick stalks with > bristly, unpleasant spines, making it impossible for the workers to climb > the pole. I now tear them out every year when they are small, which keeps > the stalks small and much less painful. I didn't know they come in > different varieties. I like the flavor but my tubers are small and hard to > prepare since I won't replant them around the yard in fresh soil. I have > too many invasive plants as it is. > > Northern California, Sierra Nevada foothills, zone 8/9, Mediterranean > climate > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org Wed Sep 14 22:30:21 2011 Message-Id: From: Russell Stafford Subject: Sunchokes, yacon and okra Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 11:14:09 -0400 Helianthus tuberosus is one of those plants that's been passed along for SO long that its origins are difficult to trace. Apparently it was widely cultivated by American Indians, who distributed its tubers hither and yon over the centuries. Along the way the species seems to have lost some of its ability to reproduce from seed. In addition to being toothsome, the tubers are a source of inulin, a compound found in numerous other composites including the eponymous Inula helenium. Russell At 01:35 AM 4/2/2011, you wrote: >Sunchokes are a pass-along plant here in California. Russell Stafford Odyssey Bulbs PO Box 382 South Lancaster, MA 01561 508-335-8106 www.odysseybulbs.com From ds429@comcast.net Sat Apr 2 14:18:29 2011 Message-Id: <000901cbf161$40b64580$c222d080$@net> From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: Pacific BX 270 Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 14:10:30 -0400 Dear All, The items listed below have been donated by our members to be shared. If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at . Include "BX 270" in the subject line. Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. 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Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX From jmsjon664@aol.com Sat Apr 2 16:24:03 2011 Message-Id: <8CDBF8A4D3A4B48-20C8-8B24@Webmail-d103.sysops.aol.com> From: jmsjon664@aol.com Subject: sunchokes, yacón, and oca Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 16:18:45 -0400 (EDT) With respect to Jerusalem artichokes: I grew them a number of years ago (more or less following Euell Gibbons) and they did just fine, but they never really found a niche in my diet. In particular, a pie (again, ala Gibbons) was the one pie I never did finish. Jim Jones Lexington, MA -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Kramb To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Fri, Apr 1, 2011 4:42 pm Subject: [pbs] sunchokes, yacón, and oca I'm preparing my vegetable garden this year and decided to try sunchokes, aka: jerusalem artichokes. Obviously a geophyte, I'm wondering what experiences people on the PBS list have with different varieties & flavors of this plant. I ended up buying some tubers from a small farm in North Carolina. They're not any particular named variety... just listed as heirloom. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunchoke During my internet searching I also nearly bought a similar South American plant called yacón. But decided to stick with the sunchokes for now, since sunchokes don't need to be protected here in wintertime. Does anyone on PBS grow yacón? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yac%C3%B3n Several of you were growing oca last year. I think that my climate is too cold for good crop production of oca, but maybe there are some cold tolerant varieties now? Anyone know? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oca I'm hungry. :-) Dennis in Cincinnati From voltaire@islandnet.com Sat Apr 2 17:45:52 2011 Message-Id: <05D32395-FAF3-4F94-AA02-11F02D7173C6@islandnet.com> From: Diane Whitehead Subject: Veltheimia brac. aurea Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 14:45:46 -0700 My "keeper pots" are all blue. It makes it easy not to give them away accidentally. Diane On 2-Apr-11, at 3:21 PM, Matt Mattus wrote: > LOL. That's because I gave you my 'keeper pot' by accident. :) From arnold140@verizon.net Sat Apr 2 19:04:27 2011 Message-Id: <278039393.1587540.1301781863433.JavaMail.root@vznit170076> From: arnold140@verizon.net Subject: Veltheimia brac. aurea Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 17:04:23 -0500 (CDT) Diane: Blue plastic or blue terra cotta? Arnold Apr 2, 2011 05:46:02 PM, pbs@lists.ibiblio.org wrote: =========================================== My "keeper pots" are all blue. It makes it easy not to give them away accidentally. Diane On 2-Apr-11, at 3:21 PM, Matt Mattus wrote: > LOL. That's because I gave you my 'keeper pot' by accident. :) From mmattus@charter.net Sat Apr 2 17:21:06 2011 Message-Id: From: Matt Mattus Subject: Veltheimia brac. aurea Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 17:21:00 -0500 LOL. That's because I gave you my 'keeper pot' by accident. :) Anyway, it's in good hands! On 4/1/11 8:18 PM, "Glen Lord" wrote: > That pot that I got from you sent up 4 flower stalks from 3 bulbs this year > too! > > On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 9:50 PM, Matt Mattus wrote: > From Santoury@aol.com Sat Apr 2 19:07:29 2011 Message-Id: <8CDBFA11F01E457-17F8-9589@Webmail-m119.sysops.aol.com> From: santoury@aol.com Subject: Veltheimia brac. aurea Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 19:02:06 -0400 In light of this interesting discussion, I need one of these. Does anybody have a pup to share? I have plenty to trade, if that's helpful Thanks, Jude -----Original Message----- From: Diane Whitehead To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Sat, Apr 2, 2011 5:45 pm Subject: Re: [pbs] Veltheimia brac. aurea My "keeper pots" are all blue. It makes it easy not to give them away accidentally. Diane On 2-Apr-11, at 3:21 PM, Matt Mattus wrote: > LOL. That's because I gave you my 'keeper pot' by accident. :) = From voltaire@islandnet.com Sat Apr 2 20:09:53 2011 Message-Id: From: Diane Whitehead Subject: keeper pots and terra cotta (was Veltheimia brac. aurea) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:09:47 -0700 Blue plastic. I don't use terra cotta much, though I have lots of them, because they dry out too fast. If I ever get around to making a sand plunge bed, which I've been promising myself for a very long time, I will then start using the clay pots. Diane Whitehead Victoria, British Columbia, Canada maritime zone 8, cool Mediterranean climate mild rainy winters, mild dry summers On 2-Apr-11, at 3:04 PM, arnold140@verizon.net wrote: > > Blue plastic or blue terra cotta? > > =========================================== > > My "keeper pots" are all blue. It makes it easy not to give them away > accidentally. > > Diane From Santoury@aol.com Sat Apr 2 20:25:09 2011 Message-Id: <8CDBFABFB61E0C0-17F8-9EB1@Webmail-m119.sysops.aol.com> From: santoury@aol.com Subject: Terra cotta Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 20:19:50 -0400 I find that Terra cotta (read: Clay) pots are a MUCH safer way to grow Hippeastrum/Amaryllis. In plastic, they are so much more prone to rotting from the bottom up. I've NEVER had this happen with a clay-potted Amaryllis. I suppose this is true for most succulents as well. -----Original Message----- From: Diane Whitehead To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Sat, Apr 2, 2011 8:09 pm Subject: Re: [pbs] keeper pots and terra cotta (was Veltheimia brac. aurea) Blue plastic. I don't use terra cotta much, though I have lots of them, because they dry out too fast. If I ever get around to making a sand plunge bed, which I've been promising myself for a very long time, I will then start using the clay pots. Diane Whitehead Victoria, British Columbia, Canada maritime zone 8, cool Mediterranean climate mild rainy winters, mild dry summers On 2-Apr-11, at 3:04 PM, arnold140@verizon.net wrote: > > Blue plastic or blue terra cotta? > > =========================================== > > My "keeper pots" are all blue. It makes it easy not to give them away > accidentally. > > Diane = From plicht@berkeley.edu Sat Apr 2 20:44:49 2011 Message-Id: <4D97BF74.8010309@berkeley.edu> From: Paul Licht Subject: Terra cotta Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 17:29:40 -0700 With regard to succulents, you may be interested that the Garden has just started a massive repotting of our cactus and succulent collection in the Arid House (over 2000 accession) The decision was made to switch from traditional clay to black plastic. While there are several reasons, one is that the plastic does not dry out as fast. The longer retention of water is considered an advantage since the plants are not put through as rapid a wet-dry cycle. Of course it also reduces the frequency of water which is a considerable time savings for this kind of colleciton. Amaryllids are not included in this collection. Paul Licht, Director Univ. California Botanical Garden 200 Centennial Drive Berkeley, CA 94720 (510)-643-8999 http://botanicalgarden.berkeley.edu On 4/2/2011 5:19 PM, santoury@aol.com wrote: > I find that Terra cotta (read: Clay) pots are a MUCH safer way to grow Hippeastrum/Amaryllis. In plastic, they are so much more prone to rotting from the bottom up. I've NEVER had this happen with a clay-potted Amaryllis. > I suppose this is true for most succulents as well. > > > > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > = > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From janemcgary@earthlink.net Sat Apr 2 21:07:55 2011 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Terra cotta Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 18:07:32 -0700 I grew almost all my bulbs in terracotta pots when I had them in the bulb frames, except for some that made extensive annual feeder roots (such as irises), which I grew in plastic mesh baskets such as are used for aquatic plants. Now all the pots are looking for homes, because the bulbs have been set free in raised beds under a polycarb roof. However, I think terracotta worked very well when plunged to the rim in coarse sand. The bottoms of the pots were cool even when I lifted them in midsummer. One warning about growing large geophytes in clay pots (or plastic ones, I suppose): they can plug the drain holes with their heavy roots or tubers, and they will then rot. I lost a lovely Paeonia cambessedesii and also Ostrowskya magnifica this way. Even if they don't rot, you have to break the pot to get them out safely. Jane McGary Portland, Oregon, USA From lizwat@earthlink.net Sat Apr 2 21:33:06 2011 Message-Id: <4D97CAC7.3040802@earthlink.net> From: Liz Waterman Subject: sunchokes, yacón, and oca Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2011 18:17:59 -0700 Hi, I grow yacón in Oakland, CA and like it very much. It makes large tubers? that remind me of Dalias with many tubers surrounding a central stem. They are very juicy and sweet and crunchy, a bit like Jicama only sweeter and juicier. The tubers(if they are tubers) crack easily. Sunchokes can be very invasive here. Liz > During my internet searching I also nearly bought a similar South American > plant called yacón. But decided to stick with the sunchokes for now, since > sunchokes don't need to be protected here in wintertime. Does anyone on PBS > grow yacón? > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yac%C3%B3n > > > I'm hungry. :-) > Dennis in Cincinnati > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From samarak@gizmoworks.com Sun Apr 3 01:54:38 2011 Message-Id: From: Steve Marak Subject: sunchokes, yacón, and oca Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 00:22:09 -0500 (CDT) Dennis, The list of plants I truly regret having planted in my yard is fairly small, but if sunchokes aren't at the top, they're very close. On an old "Victory Garden", I once heard Roger Swain advise that at the end of the growing season, you should dig every single last sunchoke tuber, large and small, that you can find, which will mean that you miss just enough to ensure an equal sized crop the next year. I think he was too optimistic. And be sure to deadhead - without seeds, they're merely impossible to eradicate. Of course that's NW Arkansas - may be different in your area. By comparison, some of our other native thugs, such as Campsis radicans, are very charming garden plants. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Kramb To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Fri, Apr 1, 2011 4:42 pm Subject: [pbs] sunchokes, yacón, and oca I'm preparing my vegetable garden this year and decided to try sunchokes, aka: jerusalem artichokes. Obviously a geophyte, I'm wondering what experiences people on the PBS list have with different varieties & flavors of this plant. I ended up buying some tubers from a small farm in North Carolina. They're not any particular named variety... just listed as heirloom. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunchoke -- Steve Marak -- samarak@gizmoworks.com From jgglatt@gmail.com Sun Apr 3 09:17:40 2011 Message-Id: <4D987371.1000905@gmail.com> From: Judy Glattstein Subject: Sunchokes Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2011 09:17:37 -0400 Decades ago in Connecticut I planted sunchokes in the gravelly corner where the driveway curved around. Visualize a rectangle with an oval inside. One corner "triangle" was where they were grown. Any that tried to wander out got run over and that seemed to keep them in check. Judy in New jersey where the sky is blue, sun is shining, and I'm waiting for it to warm up just a little more before I head out into the garden From idavide@sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 3 20:14:31 2011 Message-Id: <444630.8711.qm@web81004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: David Ehrlich Subject: Sunchokes Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 17:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Both yacón (Polymnia sonchifolia) and topinambur (Jerusalem artichoke, Sunchoke, Helianthus tuberosus) have tubers composed mainly of inulin rather than starch.  This is the part that is usually eaten, though young stems can also be eaten.  Raw, these tubers are somewhat sweet and crunchy, but the skin has a stronger more resinous taste, so you might want to peel it.  Because humans lack an enzyme to hydrolyze inulin, these vegetables pass through the body mostly unmetabolized, so they make ideal diet foods.  I like them raw with lime juice and a sprinkle of salt as a snack, or sliced and sautéed as a dinner vegetable.  They can also be baked or boiled, but they lose their crispness.  I would not bake them in a pie. Oca (Oxalis tuberosa) can be bitter or sweet.  The bitter varieties can contain up to 500 ppm oxalic acid (that's like spinach leaves).  However, the sweet varieties contain only 79 ppm acid, which is 1/20 the amount found in a standard white potato.  So, get a sweet variety; it'll be perfectly safe to eat. David E. From agoston.janos123@gmail.com Mon Apr 4 05:09:25 2011 Message-Id: From: "J. Agoston" Subject: Sunchokes, yacon and okra Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 11:09:19 +0200 Sunchokes = Helianthus tuberosus? Janos Hungary From oothal@hotmail.com Mon Apr 4 15:02:26 2011 Message-Id: From: Justin Smith Subject: crinum sp ? pic Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 13:57:22 -0500 Hi All, This bulb has bloomed for me for the first time. It was dug up from my yard where there use to be a flower bed my mother had made many years ago. If anyone knows what species this is I would certainly like to know. http://www.flickr.com/photos/oothal/5588873757/ Thanks Justin Woodville, TX 8b/9a From robin@no1bird.com Mon Apr 4 15:30:11 2011 Message-Id: <2F1BE00AC1CD4B818BCA5ACBEBD81E46@OwnerPC> From: "Robin Carrier" Subject: crinum sp ? pic Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 15:05:42 -0400 yes. it is an atamasco lilly growing wild here in beaufort, sc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Smith" To: Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 2:57 PM Subject: [pbs] crinum sp ? pic > > Hi All, > > This bulb has bloomed for me for the first time. It was dug up from my > yard where there use to be a flower bed my mother had made many years ago. > > If anyone knows what species this is I would certainly like to know. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/oothal/5588873757/ > > Thanks > > Justin > Woodville, TX 8b/9a > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From jay.yourch@gmail.com Mon Apr 4 15:07:54 2011 Message-Id: From: Jay Yourch Subject: crinum sp ? pic Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 15:07:49 -0400 Justin, Based on your photo and the flowering time, I'd bet on Crinum bulbispermum.  If the foliage is gray that would add to my confidence. http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/CrinumSpeciesOne#bulbispermum Jay On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Justin Smith wrote: > > Hi All, > > This bulb has bloomed for me for the first time. It was dug up from my yard where there use to be a flower bed my mother had made many years ago. > > If anyone knows what species this is I would certainly like to know. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/oothal/5588873757/ > > Thanks > > Justin From alanidae@gmail.com Mon Apr 4 15:11:57 2011 Message-Id: From: Alani Davis Subject: crinum sp ? pic Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 15:11:50 -0400 Justin - Could be a hybrid but I would guess that if it is flowering right now that is a Crinum bulbispermum, Does it have glaucous grey green foliage? -- Alani From oothal@hotmail.com Mon Apr 4 15:47:42 2011 Message-Id: From: Justin Smith Subject: crinum sp ? pic Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 14:47:37 -0500 Hi All, I think it is too large to be anything other than a crinum. The foliage is grey/green color and the flower stalk has emerged from the side and not from the center of the crown. The flower stalk is a bit over 2 ft tall and over an inch in diameter. Justin Woodville, TX 8b/9a From alanidae@gmail.com Mon Apr 4 16:03:26 2011 Message-Id: From: Alani Davis Subject: crinum sp ? pic Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 16:03:19 -0400 Justin - That is Crinum bulbispermum. -- Alani From robin@no1bird.com Mon Apr 4 16:16:01 2011 Message-Id: From: "Robin Carrier" Subject: crinum sp ? pic Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 16:16:31 -0400 oops - sorry . mine are almost through blooming but are only 10" tall and the foliage become reddish at the base. the stem is only about 3'8 of an inch. the flower is white, turning slightly pinkish as it ages and the petals emerge from a double pinkish receptical or sepal on one side. also if the crown is where the plant emerges from the ground, yes the stem come up on one side. sorry if i jumped the gun. i'll try to get someone to help me with a photo tomorrow. robin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Smith" To: Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [pbs] crinum sp ? pic > > Hi All, > > I think it is too large to be anything other than a crinum. The foliage is > grey/green color and the flower stalk has emerged from the side and not > from the center of the crown. > The flower stalk is a bit over 2 ft tall and over an inch in diameter. > > Justin > Woodville, TX 8b/9a > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From bulborum@gmail.com Mon Apr 4 17:48:27 2011 Message-Id: From: bulborum botanicum Subject: Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 23:48:21 +0200 I have the same problems Jude I mailed him also to ask him where he was looking after no response Roland 2011/4/1 : > Hello, > I am sorry for emailing the list, but I don't think my email is going through, as I've emailed Warren twice now with no response. > I have some Massonia bulbs, and am interested in your Haemanthus. > Please email me direct. > Best, Jude > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Warren Keller > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Sent: Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:34 pm > Subject: [pbs] Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus > > > > > > > Hi there, i have 4 haemanthus deformis left and about 10 of Haemanthus crispus > > > > very large bulbs, just got in the garden today, finally some sun from all the > > rain, and now am shipping my orders. Just looking to trade for massonia, any > > variety, please email me if you have any questions, looking for good sized bulbs > > of massonia, thank you > > > > Warren > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > -- R de Boer La Maugardiere 1 F 27260 EPAIGNES FRANCE Phone./Fax 0033-232-576-204 Email:   bulborum@gmail.com From joshy46013@yahoo.com Mon Apr 4 17:51:18 2011 Message-Id: <706736.20445.qm@web121709.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Josh Young Subject: Crosses Betweeen Sprekelia howardii And Hippeastrum Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 14:51:12 -0700 (PDT) Hi Guys, Has anyone made a cross of Sprekelia howardii and Hippeastrum? We all know of the multiple crosses with S. formosissima and hopefully when my S. howardii bloom I can attempt such a cross but I was wondering if an attempt has been successful? Josh Anderson, IN (It's Raining and It Will Be For Days!) From idavide@sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 4 17:53:01 2011 Message-Id: <486642.6328.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: David Ehrlich Subject: Sunchokes, yacon and okra Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 14:52:56 -0700 (PDT) Sunchokes = Jerusalem Artichokes = Topinambour = Helianthus tuberosus. According to wikipedia, they are also called sunroot and earth apple ----- Original Message ---- From: J. Agoston To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 2:09:19 AM Subject: Re: [pbs] Sunchokes, yacon and okra Sunchokes = Helianthus tuberosus? Janos Hungary From rarebulbs@suddenlink.net Mon Apr 4 18:43:43 2011 Message-Id: <4D9A46AE.90003@suddenlink.net> From: Diana Chapman Subject: Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 15:31:10 -0700 I contacted this individual and told him I wanted to buy five mature H. deformis bulbs at $35 each. I am trying to build up a collection of mature bulbs to produce seed. He asked for a partial trade, and I sent him the bulbs he selected worth about $60, plus a money order (he didn't want a check) for $107.00. He tells me he has no H. deformis bulbs left. I have asked for a refund with no response, other than a request that I send him more of my bulbs in 'trade'. So ... I am out $107 plus the bulbs I sent him that he requested worth about $60. This speaks for itself. I don't think I have to warn anyone to beware. Diana On 4/4/2011 2:48 PM, bulborum botanicum wrote: > I have the same problems Jude > > I mailed him also to ask him where he was looking after > > no response > > Roland > > 2011/4/1: >> Hello, >> I am sorry for emailing the list, but I don't think my email is going through, as I've emailed Warren twice now with no response. >> I have some Massonia bulbs, and am interested in your Haemanthus. >> Please email me direct. >> Best, Jude >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Warren Keller >> To: Pacific Bulb Society >> Sent: Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:34 pm >> Subject: [pbs] Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi there, i have 4 haemanthus deformis left and about 10 of Haemanthus crispus >> >> >> >> very large bulbs, just got in the garden today, finally some sun from all the >> >> rain, and now am shipping my orders. Just looking to trade for massonia, any >> >> variety, please email me if you have any questions, looking for good sized bulbs >> >> of massonia, thank you >> >> >> >> Warren >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> pbs mailing list >> >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> > > From kimcmich@hotmail.com Mon Apr 4 19:24:51 2011 Message-Id: From: Kipp McMichael Subject: Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 16:16:48 -0700 Ms. Chapman, As I just sent Massonia to Mr. Keller on Friday, I can only hope my experience with him is not the same as yours! I write to say that Greg Petit (http://www.africanbulbs.co.za/) has mature-sized H. deformis available for a very reasonable price. The last time I ordered I got 3 for $50 - all of which bloomed the following season. I'll wish us both good luck with Mr. Keller... -| Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 15:31:10 -0700 > From: rarebulbs@suddenlink.net > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: Re: [pbs] Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus > > I contacted this individual and told him I wanted to buy five mature H. > deformis bulbs at $35 each. I am trying to build up a collection of > mature bulbs to produce seed. He asked for a partial trade, and I sent > him the bulbs he selected worth about $60, plus a money order (he didn't > want a check) for $107.00. He tells me he has no H. deformis bulbs > left. I have asked for a refund with no response, other than a request > that I send him more of my bulbs in 'trade'. So ... I am out $107 plus > the bulbs I sent him that he requested worth about $60. > > This speaks for itself. I don't think I have to warn anyone to beware. > > Diana > > > > On 4/4/2011 2:48 PM, bulborum botanicum wrote: > > I have the same problems Jude > > > > I mailed him also to ask him where he was looking after > > > > no response > > > > Roland > > > > 2011/4/1: > >> Hello, > >> I am sorry for emailing the list, but I don't think my email is going through, as I've emailed Warren twice now with no response. > >> I have some Massonia bulbs, and am interested in your Haemanthus. > >> Please email me direct. > >> Best, Jude > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Warren Keller > >> To: Pacific Bulb Society > >> Sent: Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:34 pm > >> Subject: [pbs] Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi there, i have 4 haemanthus deformis left and about 10 of Haemanthus crispus > >> > >> > >> > >> very large bulbs, just got in the garden today, finally some sun from all the > >> > >> rain, and now am shipping my orders. Just looking to trade for massonia, any > >> > >> variety, please email me if you have any questions, looking for good sized bulbs > >> > >> of massonia, thank you > >> > >> > >> > >> Warren > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> pbs mailing list > >> > >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > >> > >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > >> > >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> pbs mailing list > >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From kjweisner@comcast.net Mon Apr 4 21:30:17 2011 Message-Id: <1084943925.2138334.1301966516643.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> From: kjweisner@comcast.net Subject: Trip to San Diego Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 01:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Evening.. My name is Lisa Weisner and I  have been a pretty inactive member on this list for the last 2 years. i garden in central Indiana about an hour south of Indy. My son is  Marine currently stationed at Camp Pendleton and we will be flying out to visit in a couple of weeks I am looking for botanical gardens in the area. Quail is my favorite but I would like to expand my horizon. I also visit Grgsby's cactus nursery and would love to find another nursery in the San Diego area. I love south Africans and just about any caudiciform so any suggestions would be welcome. Thanks, Lisa From kjblack@pacbell.net Mon Apr 4 22:48:43 2011 Message-Id: <338028.57593.qm@web80407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: Ken Subject: Trip to San Diego Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 19:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Hi Lisa,   you probably would find interesting the Baja and old-world Gardens at the San Diego Wild Animal Park In the Northern part of San Diego City near Escondido.  (now called something else ... not quite sure)  Rancho Soledad Nursery in Rancho Santa Fe is also a nice way to spend a morning or afternoon ... they pump classical music throughout the extensive growing grounds and usually have some interesting stuff being propagated, including a few geophytes.  If you can make the 2 hour drive North to Pasadena, definitely visit the Huntington Botanical Gardens.  UC Ivine's Arboretum has a nice collection of Sout Africans ... about 75 minues North of San Diego in the Newport Beach area.  If you go there ... make sure to stop at the Sherman Library and Gardens in Corona Del Mar.  There should be some nice native bulbs blooming in the local hillsides as well.   Ken Blackford San Diego   --- On Mon, 4/4/11, kjweisner@comcast.net wrote: From: kjweisner@comcast.net Subject: [pbs] Trip to San Diego To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Date: Monday, April 4, 2011, 6:21 PM Evening.. My name is Lisa Weisner and I  have been a pretty inactive member on this list for the last 2 years. i garden in central Indiana about an hour south of Indy. My son is  Marine currently stationed at Camp Pendleton and we will be flying out to visit in a couple of weeks I am looking for botanical gardens in the area. Quail is my favorite but I would like to expand my horizon. I also visit Grgsby's cactus nursery and would love to find another nursery in the San Diego area. I love south Africans and just about any caudiciform so any suggestions would be welcome. Thanks, Lisa From latsyrc18940@yahoo.com Tue Apr 5 02:11:51 2011 Message-Id: <260880.15878.qm@web56605.mail.re3.yahoo.com> From: kuang huang Subject: Trip to San Diego Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 23:11:47 -0700 (PDT) Hi Lisa, if you ever have chance, try Huntington Library Garden, you won't be disappointed. best regards, Andy ________________________________ From: "kjweisner@comcast.net" To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 6:21:56 PM Subject: [pbs] Trip to San Diego Evening.. My name is Lisa Weisner and I have been a pretty inactive member on this list for the last 2 years. i garden in central Indiana about an hour south of Indy. My son is Marine currently stationed at Camp Pendleton and we will be flying out to visit in a couple of weeks I am looking for botanical gardens in the area. Quail is my favorite but I would like to expand my horizon. I also visit Grgsby's cactus nursery and would love to find another nursery in the San Diego area. I love south Africans and just about any caudiciform so any suggestions would be welcome. Thanks, Lisa From jonathanhutchinson@rhs.org.uk Tue Apr 5 03:34:59 2011 Message-Id: From: Subject: Veltheimia brac. aurea Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 08:16:48 +0100 I may possibly have a bulb of the yellow form of V. bracteata, will need to check. In return I would like a good bracteate form of bracteata ie. the flower bracts are not withered when the flowers are open. I Saw some lovely forms of this when in the East Cape a few years ago. Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of santoury@aol.com Sent: 03 April 2011 00:02 To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: Re: [pbs] Veltheimia brac. aurea In light of this interesting discussion, I need one of these. Does anybody have a pup to share? I have plenty to trade, if that's helpful Thanks, Jude -----Original Message----- From: Diane Whitehead To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Sat, Apr 2, 2011 5:45 pm Subject: Re: [pbs] Veltheimia brac. aurea My "keeper pots" are all blue. It makes it easy not to give them away accidentally. Diane On 2-Apr-11, at 3:21 PM, Matt Mattus wrote: > LOL. That's because I gave you my 'keeper pot' by accident. :) = From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Tue Apr 5 08:29:32 2011 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: An Iris Q for mild climate gardeners Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 07:29:22 -0500 Dear PBS Friends, Iris unguiculares and I. lazica are 2 of the 3 members of this unique series of beardless iris (I. cretensis is the 3rd). The former is known as the Algerian Iris and is often grown in mild climates where it blooms in winter. It is probably reliable in Zone 7 and up. I lazica is from more NE and blooms about the same time, but is a bit hardier. After years of trials and losses I have both (finally) doing OK. I unguiculares had its last flower wither yesterday after a peculiar spring day of 91F (a record 9 degrees above the old). I think the first lazica will bloom today. I removed the stamens from I ung. yesterday to dry overnight and I'll apply the pollen to lazica today. SO... has anyone tried hybridizing these two species ? I couldn't find any info on hybrids, but someone who grows both might see something intermediate. I figured it was worth trying as both are in bloom. Why not? Appreciate any personal experiences trying this. Best Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + From jukp@aha.ru Tue Apr 5 09:01:39 2011 Message-Id: <5AADB71F8C5F4C14A4260E0440514791@yurid37d3464e6> From: "Yuri Pirogov" Subject: An Iris Q for mild climate gardeners Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 16:52:19 +0400 Rick Tasco works with Iris unguicularis and introduced several ones. http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/528446165tnuakc Yuri in Moscow From xerics@cox.net Tue Apr 5 09:58:34 2011 Message-Id: <000f01cbf395$98c735a0$ca55a0e0$@net> From: "Richard" Subject: Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 06:30:14 -0700 Mail fraud is an offense under United States federal law, which includes any scheme that attempts to unlawfully obtain money or valuables in which the postal system is used at any point in the commission of a criminal offense. Mail fraud is covered by Title 18 of the United States Code, Chapter 63. As in the case of wire fraud, this statute is often used as a basis for a separate federal prosecution of what would otherwise have been only a violation of a state law. "Mail fraud" is a term of art referring to a specific statutory crime in the United States of America. In countries with nonfederal legal systems the concept of mail fraud is irrelevant: the activities are likely to be crimes there, but the fact that they are carried out by mail makes no difference as to which authority may prosecute or as to the penalties which may be imposed. In the 1960s and '70s, inspectors under regional chief postal inspectors such as Martin McGee, known as "Mr. Mail Fraud," exposed and prosecuted numerous swindles involving land sales, phony advertising practices, insurance ripoffs and fraudulent charitable organizations using mail fraud charges. -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Kipp McMichael Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 4:17 PM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: Re: [pbs] Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus Ms. Chapman, As I just sent Massonia to Mr. Keller on Friday, I can only hope my experience with him is not the same as yours! I write to say that Greg Petit (http://www.africanbulbs.co.za/) has mature-sized H. deformis available for a very reasonable price. The last time I ordered I got 3 for $50 - all of which bloomed the following season. I'll wish us both good luck with Mr. Keller... -| Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 15:31:10 -0700 > From: rarebulbs@suddenlink.net > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: Re: [pbs] Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus > > I contacted this individual and told him I wanted to buy five mature H. > deformis bulbs at $35 each. I am trying to build up a collection of > mature bulbs to produce seed. He asked for a partial trade, and I sent > him the bulbs he selected worth about $60, plus a money order (he didn't > want a check) for $107.00. He tells me he has no H. deformis bulbs > left. I have asked for a refund with no response, other than a request > that I send him more of my bulbs in 'trade'. So ... I am out $107 plus > the bulbs I sent him that he requested worth about $60. > > This speaks for itself. I don't think I have to warn anyone to beware. > > Diana > > > > On 4/4/2011 2:48 PM, bulborum botanicum wrote: > > I have the same problems Jude > > > > I mailed him also to ask him where he was looking after > > > > no response > > > > Roland > > > > 2011/4/1: > >> Hello, > >> I am sorry for emailing the list, but I don't think my email is going through, as I've emailed Warren twice now with no response. > >> I have some Massonia bulbs, and am interested in your Haemanthus. > >> Please email me direct. > >> Best, Jude > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Warren Keller > >> To: Pacific Bulb Society > >> Sent: Thu, Mar 31, 2011 7:34 pm > >> Subject: [pbs] Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi there, i have 4 haemanthus deformis left and about 10 of Haemanthus crispus > >> > >> > >> > >> very large bulbs, just got in the garden today, finally some sun from all the > >> > >> rain, and now am shipping my orders. Just looking to trade for massonia, any > >> > >> variety, please email me if you have any questions, looking for good sized bulbs > >> > >> of massonia, thank you > >> > >> > >> > >> Warren > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> pbs mailing list > >> > >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > >> > >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > >> > >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> pbs mailing list > >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From msittner@mcn.org Tue Apr 5 12:35:26 2011 Message-Id: <20110405163522.33CF7E8EE1@lists.ibiblio.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 08:49:40 -0700 We have an unmoderated list which means people can post without approval. Instructions ask people to post privately when they are trading bulbs and not to offer things for sale on the list. The last is because our list is sponsored as an educational list, not a commercial one. I usually email people privately if they continually abuse this because I don't want unpleasant communications on the list. If I don't get a response with a promise to reform and this continues, the only option we have is to moderate the posts. One of the reasons we ask for discussions of trades to be off list is in case something goes wrong; we do not want the list with permanent archives to be a place where people air their unhappiness with a trade. I decided to moderate Warren's posts since he continued to post messages about the Haemanthus he wanted to sell after I asked him more than once privately not to. He has responded to Diana's post (also including four previous messages which I have also asked him repeatedly not to do) saying that he was unhappy with the quality of the material she sent him in trade and did not feel it was equal to the quality of his bulbs and therefore wanted more from her before he sent anything. I will forward his post on to Diana and hope the two of them can sort it out between them without involving the rest of us. This exchange illustrates I believe why it is best to do your trading privately and not on the list. One of the nice things about this list has been that over the years people have with only a few exceptions been extraordinarily polite, generous, and helpful to the other members of the list. So many lists have unpleasant exchanges between people. We do not want this to happen on our list. Mary Sue PBS List Administrator From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Tue Apr 5 13:46:34 2011 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: Was: Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus Now PBS business Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 12:44:36 -0500 Dear PBS Friends, I think Mary Sue has put this very calmly into perspective. PBS is an educational, not a commercial list for exchange of ideas, experiences and inspiring personal information regarding bulbous plants of all types. We operate a 'bare bones' Seed and Bulb Exchange' and do not usually list specific prices, size, quantities, but rely on private emails for detailed transactions. We encourage commercial grower/ friends to announce new lists, catalogs and trades in the same general terms. A few days ago I posted a note about PBS etiquette (3/31/11) as suggestions. Let me add some specific 'do's and 'don't' s. Do give us your location when you tell us about your growing conditions or if it is specifically pertinent. Warren said he couldn't get to Annie's Annuals to make a purchase, but gave his only location as 'California' . That doesn't help because Calfornia has a lot of climate/environmental variation and Annie's is in Califonia and a lot closer than to him than most PBS members. Not useful enough details. Do be fair. We discourage 'He said/She said' sort of disparaging remarks and general bad mouthing about sales and trades. I personally think PBS is the perfect place to relate your experience with a seller, good or bad, but be fair. Make an effort to contact the other 'guy' with your unhappiness and try to work out details. PBS is not the first place to take out grievances. Do maintain a civil tone. Many PBS members go back more than a few months on the list, new posters need to test the waters and be aware of our limits. Warren just joined the discussions a few weeks ago and started off on the wrong foot on a number of topics. We hope he can continue to provide us with a good interchange as described above. And finally it bears repeating what Ellen posted earlier "Favors are something you ask of friends". whether it is your first post or your first trade or purchase, you are not necessarily a 'friend' until you have shared some friendly exchanges. Let's all keep civil, friendly and fun. Keep business private and try to 'give a little' if in doubt. Thanks to Mary Sue for giving this perspective. Best Jim W. From Mary Sue: > "We have an unmoderated list which means people can post without >approval. Instructions ask people to post privately when they are >trading bulbs and not to offer things for sale on the list. The last >is because our list is sponsored as an educational list, not a >commercial one........ > >I decided to moderate Warren's posts since he continued to post >messages about the Haemanthus he wanted to sell after I asked him >more than once privately not to. ...... > >This exchange illustrates I believe why it is best to do your trading >privately and not on the list. One of the nice things about this list >has been that over the years people have with only a few exceptions >been extraordinarily polite, generous, and helpful to the other >members of the list. ....." > -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + From xerantheum@gmail.com Tue Apr 5 14:32:39 2011 Message-Id: From: Nhu Nguyen Subject: Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 11:32:33 -0700 Hi everyone, I have to say that I have been doing business with Diana for some years now and have always been more than pleased with the bulb material from her. Nhu Berkeley, CA On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Mary Sue Ittner wrote: > He has responded to Diana's post (also including four previous messages > which I have also asked him > repeatedly not to do) saying that he was unhappy with the quality of > the material she sent him in trade and did not feel it was equal to > the quality of his bulbs and therefore wanted more from her before he > sent anything. > From maijer_robert@hotmail.com Tue Apr 5 15:14:23 2011 Message-Id: From: Robert Maijer Subject: Trip to San Diego Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 19:06:19 +0000 Hello Lisa, Take a look at: http://www.cactus-mall.com/ many nursery and garden addresses there. Robert > Message: 13 > Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 01:21:56 +0000 (UTC) > From: kjweisner@comcast.net > Subject: [pbs] Trip to San Diego > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: > <1084943925.2138334.1301966516643.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > Evening.. My name is Lisa Weisner and I? have been a pretty inactive member on this list for the last 2 years. i garden in?central Indiana about an hour south of Indy. My son is? Marine currently stationed at Camp Pendleton and we will be flying out to visit in a couple of weeks I am looking for botanical gardens in the area. Quail is my favorite but I would like to expand my horizon. I also visit Grgsby's cactus nursery and would love to find another nursery in the San Diego area. I love south Africans and just about any caudiciform so any suggestions would be welcome. Thanks, Lisa > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 99, Issue 7 > ********************************** From pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org Wed Sep 14 22:45:23 2011 Message-Id: From: Harold Koopowitz Subject: Fritillaria Sources?? Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2011 04:32:09 -0700 Dear all: Does any one know of sources of North American fritillarias especially the Californian species? Harold Koopowitz From bonsaigai37@aol.com Wed Apr 6 07:54:25 2011 Message-Id: <8CDC267C2B58AB0-6BC-55A39@webmail-m126.sysops.aol.com> From: bonsaigai37@aol.com Subject: Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 07:49:03 -0400 (EDT) If this scam is what it may appear to be... I fear I have been taken also. The entire idea of using a money order would hold true, mine was $50. If Mr. Keller does not come through, should we as a group, take him to task? Michael Loos Interlaken, NY From janemcgary@earthlink.net Wed Apr 6 12:44:31 2011 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Real PBS meetings Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2011 09:44:19 -0700 Many (though by no means all) of the dues-paying members of the Pacific Bulb Society also subscribe to this list, so I'd like to mention that we now have significant clusters of members in several areas. I think they'd enjoy getting together for some activity, perhaps a garden tour or a cooperative slide show. Some areas with numerous members are Los Angeles, San Diego, the San Francisco Bay area, Portland, and Seattle. I'm not sure how close together the homes of eastern North American members are, but we can sort our membership list by Zip code now to find out. This list would be one place to start organizing group activities, so if you like the idea, you can post your thoughts about it here. I'd be glad to help set up a Portland activity. Jane McGary Membership Coordinator, PBS From miller7398@comcast.net Wed Apr 6 13:19:48 2011 Message-Id: <1BF6C67E34214B86A86CAC84842E8F42@OwnerPC> From: "Joyce Miller" Subject: Real PBS meetings Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 10:11:25 -0700 Dear Jane, Neat idea. I have interest in trying a group outing. Best wishes, Joyce Miller, Gresham (almost Portland), Oregon USDA 8. From lmf@beautifulblooms.ab.ca Wed Apr 6 14:00:56 2011 Message-Id: <00a001cbf482$ba410420$2ec30c60$@ab.ca> From: "Linda Foulis" Subject: Real PBS meetings Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 11:47:41 -0600 Now that would be fun! I fear though that I am alone way up here in Red Deer, Alberta. Oh well. Linda Foulis Plus temps are making the snow melt quickly, but they are calling for thunder flurry's later! From jshields@indy.net Wed Apr 6 15:48:02 2011 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20110406152718.04e6e148@pop.indy.net> From: "J.E. Shields" Subject: Real PBS meetings Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2011 15:34:21 -0400 We have hosted small get-togethers here in the past, usually the Midwest Clivia group. If anyone in the Midwest is interested in organizing a meeting, let me know. Other places folks could get together would be Missouri Botanic Garden in St. Louis or Chicago Botanic Gdn. The problem usually is that we are so few and so widely scattered that we can't get enough people in one place at any given time to make anything of it. What season to meet is another question: Right now, the Narcissus are in bloom as well as Scilla and Chionodoxa. Trillium are coming, but not yet in bloom yet. Iris are at least a month away. Any suggestions of where and when for a Midwestern bulb gathering of Pacific Bulb Society members? Jim Shields in Westfield, Indiana ************************************************* Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Tel. ++1-317-867-3344 From paige@hillkeep.ca Wed Apr 6 16:17:50 2011 Message-Id: <076097C25E6B4129A915ABF153383B92@m6u3j5> From: "Pacific Rim" Subject: Real PBS meetings Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 12:41:22 -0700 It's a pleasure to meet one's fellow-obsessed face to face. But when meeting isn't practical, software exists for chat and "show and tell" in real time. If there is something good that costs nothing, fine. Examples of what I'm thinking of start with skype at the "pretty cheap" end. Then come various setups used in long-distance teaching. The very best meeting platform I've seen, which costs heaven knows how much, is CISCO's TelePresence. Maybe PBS could volunteer to test it ... :-)) Paige Woodward SW British Columbia, Canada Wet Zone 6 From dkramb@gmail.com Wed Apr 6 20:15:46 2011 Message-Id: From: Dennis Kramb Subject: Real PBS meetings Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 20:15:40 -0400 I was all set to go to a Gesneriad show this weekend in Columbus Ohio, but now I fear thats in jeopardy due to a case of the flu. HARRUMPH!!!! (In other words, with my luck I'd have to cancel after planning to go to a Midwest PBS club meeting.) Cranky in Cincinnati, Dennis From kjweisner@comcast.net Wed Apr 6 20:46:05 2011 Message-Id: <1414931066.2249565.1302137160355.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> From: kjweisner@comcast.net Subject: Trip to San Diego Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 00:46:00 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for your suggestions.. I only have a couple of days since the weekend is booked with the races at Long beach- the gardens are a compromise with my husband;-) Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2011 12:02:04 PM Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 99, Issue 9 Send pbs mailing list submissions to         pbs@lists.ibiblio.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit         http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to         pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org You can reach the person managing the list at         pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php Today's Topics:    1. Re: Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus (Mary Sue Ittner)    2. Was: Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus  Now PBS business       (James Waddick)    3. Re: Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus (Nhu Nguyen)    4. Re: Trip to San Diego (Robert Maijer)    5. Re: Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus (bonsaigai37@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 08:49:40 -0700 From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Re: [pbs] Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus To: Pacific Bulb Society Message-ID: <20110405163522.33CF7E8EE1@lists.ibiblio.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed We have an unmoderated list which means people can post without approval. Instructions ask people to post privately when they are trading bulbs and not to offer things for sale on the list. The last is because our list is sponsored as an educational list, not a commercial one. I usually email people privately if they continually abuse this because I don't want unpleasant communications on the list.  If I don't get a response with a promise to reform and this continues, the only option we have is to moderate the posts. One of the reasons we ask for discussions of trades to be off list is in case something goes wrong; we do not want the list with permanent archives to be a place where people air their unhappiness with a trade. I decided to moderate Warren's posts since he continued to post messages about the Haemanthus he wanted to sell after I asked him more than once privately not to. He has responded to Diana's post (also including four previous messages which I have also asked him repeatedly not to do) saying that he was unhappy with the quality of the material she sent him in trade and did not feel it was equal to the quality of his bulbs and therefore wanted more from her before he sent anything. I will forward his post on to Diana and hope the two of them can sort it out between them without involving the rest of us. This exchange illustrates I believe why it is best to do your trading privately and not on the list. One of the nice things about this list has been that over the years people have with only a few exceptions been extraordinarily polite, generous, and helpful to the other members of the list. So many lists have unpleasant exchanges between people. We do not want this to happen on our list. Mary Sue PBS List Administrator ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 12:44:36 -0500 From: James Waddick Subject: [pbs] Was: Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus  Now PBS         business To: Pacific Bulb Society Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Dear PBS Friends,         I think Mary Sue has put this very calmly into perspective. PBS is an educational, not a commercial list for exchange of ideas, experiences and inspiring personal information regarding bulbous plants of all types. We operate a 'bare bones' Seed and Bulb Exchange' and do not usually list specific prices, size, quantities, but rely on private emails for detailed transactions.         We encourage commercial grower/ friends to announce new lists, catalogs and trades in the same general terms.         A few days ago I posted a note about PBS etiquette (3/31/11) as suggestions.  Let me add some specific 'do's and 'don't' s.         Do give us your location when you tell us about your growing conditions or if it is specifically pertinent. Warren said he couldn't get to Annie's Annuals to make a purchase, but gave his only location as 'California' . That doesn't help because Calfornia has a lot of climate/environmental variation and Annie's is in Califonia and a lot closer than to him than most PBS members.        Not useful enough details.         Do be fair. We discourage 'He said/She said' sort of disparaging remarks and general bad mouthing about sales and trades. I personally think PBS is the perfect place to relate your experience with a seller, good or bad, but be fair. Make an effort to contact the other 'guy' with your unhappiness and try to work out details. PBS is not the first place to take out grievances.         Do maintain a civil tone. Many PBS members go back more than a few months on the list, new posters need to test the waters and be aware of our limits. Warren just joined the discussions a few weeks ago and started off on the wrong foot on a number of topics. We hope he can continue to provide us with a good interchange  as described above.         And finally it bears repeating what Ellen posted earlier "Favors are something you ask of friends". whether it is your first post or your first trade or purchase, you are not necessarily a 'friend' until you have shared some friendly exchanges.         Let's all keep civil, friendly and fun. Keep business private and try to 'give a little' if in doubt.         Thanks to Mary Sue for giving this perspective.                         Best                Jim W. From Mary Sue: >        "We have an unmoderated list which means people can post without >approval. Instructions ask people to post privately when they are >trading bulbs and not to offer things for sale on the list. The last >is because our list is sponsored as an educational list, not a >commercial one........ > >I decided to moderate Warren's posts since he continued to post >messages about the Haemanthus he wanted to sell after I asked him >more than once privately not to.  ...... > >This exchange illustrates I believe why it is best to do your trading >privately and not on the list. One of the nice things about this list >has been that over the years people have with only a few exceptions >been extraordinarily polite, generous, and helpful to the other >members of the list. ....." > -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph.    816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F         Summer 100F + ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 11:32:33 -0700 From: Nhu Nguyen Subject: Re: [pbs] Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus To: Pacific Bulb Society Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi everyone, I have to say that I have been doing business with Diana for some years now and have always been more than pleased with the bulb material from her. Nhu Berkeley, CA On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Mary Sue Ittner wrote: > He has responded to Diana's post  (also including four previous messages > which I have also asked him > repeatedly not to do) saying that he was unhappy with the quality of > the material she sent him in trade and did not feel it was equal to > the quality of his bulbs and therefore wanted more from her before he > sent anything. > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 19:06:19 +0000 From: Robert Maijer Subject: Re: [pbs] Trip to San Diego To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Lisa,   Take a look at:   http://www.cactus-mall.com/ many nursery and garden addresses there.   Robert   > Message: 13 > Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 01:21:56 +0000 (UTC) > From: kjweisner@comcast.net > Subject: [pbs] Trip to San Diego > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: > <1084943925.2138334.1301966516643.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > Evening.. My name is Lisa Weisner and I? have been a pretty inactive member on this list for the last 2 years. i garden in?central Indiana about an hour south of Indy. My son is? Marine currently stationed at Camp Pendleton and we will be flying out to visit in a couple of weeks I am looking for botanical gardens in the area. Quail is my favorite but I would like to expand my horizon. I also visit Grgsby's cactus nursery and would love to find another nursery in the San Diego area. I love south Africans and just about any caudiciform so any suggestions would be welcome. Thanks, Lisa > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > End of pbs Digest, Vol 99, Issue 7 > **********************************                                                 ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 07:49:03 -0400 (EDT) From: bonsaigai37@aol.com Subject: Re: [pbs] Haemathus D. and Haemanthus crispus To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Message-ID: <8CDC267C2B58AB0-6BC-55A39@webmail-m126.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" If this scam is what it may appear to be... I fear I have been taken also.  The entire idea of using a money order would hold true, mine was $50. If Mr. Keller does not come through, should we as a group, take him to task? Michael Loos Interlaken, NY   ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php End of pbs Digest, Vol 99, Issue 9 ********************************** From msittner@mcn.org Thu Apr 7 10:44:44 2011 Message-Id: <20110407144440.8AD6FE8CF5@lists.ibiblio.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Paeonia mascula Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2011 07:40:47 -0700 The few times I've seen species of Paeonia I've been enchanted but always thought where I live in Northern California I wouldn't be able to grow them. Then I saw one in a garden in South Australia where I was told it bloomed before the summer heat set in and then remained dormant in summer. Early in the history of this list I organized Topics of the Week for almost 2 and a half years and Jim Waddick who is an expert on this genus and who has written a book about it was kind enough to provide wonderful introductions. He encouraged me to try some of the Mediterranean species and a kind member of this list shared seed. Several people provided suggestions for growing it from seed. So in January 2005 I planted seeds. A year later they started germinating. After several years of growth I planted a number of plants in the ground, hoping that this would be one genus I wouldn't have to grow in containers. After their dormancy none of them ever came back. I had hedged my bets however and still had a few in containers. Although I lost some of these as well, others have come back each year and in the last month have started shooting out once again. In 2010 the first bloomed, a Paeonia mascula with Sicilian origins. I was thrilled. Unlike Jim McKenney, I live in a climate not so hot in summer, so the flowers lasted longer for me than they do for him. If any of you wrote about it, I didn't remember, that it isn't just the flowers that make this plant so fun to grow. It's the fruit and the seeds. So it was months of enjoyment watching the pods form and eventually split and then seeing the seeds. I've added a series of photos to the wiki: I don't know if any of my plants will bloom again, but this once gave me enormous pleasure and without the helpful generous people of this list it is unlikely to have happened. I am very grateful. Mary Sue Mary Sue Ittner California's North Coast Wet mild winters with occasional frost Dry mild summers From janemcgary@earthlink.net Thu Apr 7 11:51:53 2011 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Paeonia mascula Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2011 08:51:37 -0700 It's puzzling that Mary Sue Ittner, on the northern California coast, would lost Mediterranean Paeonia species in the garden. As far as I know, nothing eats the roots. They are subject to Botrytis and perhaps other diseases. I grew Paeonia mascula in a couple of forms for many years in my previous garden (the large plants are still there, and about to flower, as I saw Tuesday when I was out there cleaning up a bit). They have also self-sown. When Josef Halda was collecting wild Paeonia seed a lot I bought quite a few species and had them in various parts of that garden, particularly on the east side of a large shrub border, since Josef told me that when young these plants do best in part shade. Last year I dug and potted quite a few of my species peonies and brought them to my new garden. Most of them survived the move and I'm happy to see some of my favorites emerging with buds now. I don't know how they'll handle the clay soil here but I put them on a fairly steep bank that has a bit leafier soil than the flatter parts of the lot. I saw that some of the plants I dug are coming back in their original sites from roots I missed; some kinds of peonies will do this, others not. The single flowers of species Paeonia don't last as long as the garden hybrids' flowers but they're very welcome in early spring, and the foliage is good all summer. As Mary Sue mentioned, germination is slow; the plants have hypogeal germination, meaning they make a radicle (initial root) the first season and then put their first leaf above ground the second season. However, it's well worth the wait. I keep my seedling plants in 6-inch pots until they have been above ground for two years, then plant out the roots when the leaves wither in fall. You need to keep the crowns near the soil surface. Another thing I would mention about Paeonia seed is that it has a lot of moisture in it. When I was doing the intake phase of the NARGS seed exchange in the mid-1990s, I noticed that donations including Paeonia sometimes had mold problems because of moisture from the Paeonia seeds affecting the whole package. Wrapping the big seeds in waxed paper would help prevent this. Jane McGary Portland, Oregon, USA At 07:40 AM 4/7/2011, you wrote: >The few times I've seen species of Paeonia I've been enchanted but >always thought where I live in Northern California I wouldn't be able >to grow them. Then I saw one in a garden in South Australia where I >was told it bloomed before the summer heat set in and then remained >dormant in summer. Early in the history of this list I organized >Topics of the Week for almost 2 and a half years and Jim Waddick who >is an expert on this genus and who has written a book about it was >kind enough to provide wonderful introductions. > > From rarebulbs@suddenlink.net Thu Apr 7 13:04:11 2011 Message-Id: <4D9DEE7D.60309@suddenlink.net> From: Diana Chapman Subject: Epipactis order Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2011 10:03:57 -0700 Dear PBSers: Someone recently sent me an order or inquiry that included Epipactis gigantea, among other things. I seem to have lost this, so if anyone on the list sent me such an inquiry, please contact me. I have had computer problems recently, but could also have deleted the message by mistake. diana Telos Rare Bulbs From maxwithers@gmail.com Thu Apr 7 13:34:18 2011 Message-Id: <4D9DF592.8050409@gmail.com> From: Max Withers Subject: Paeonia mascula Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2011 10:34:10 -0700 Thank you, Mary Sue, for your cautionary (and inspiring!) tale. I feel very lucky to have obtained P. cambessedesii and P. mascula from Ellen Hornig last year, just before she closed Seneca Hill. The former appears to be thriving in a pot after its first winter here in Oakland. I'd prefer not to talk about the latter. Two notes of interest at least to Californians on the list: 1. UC Botanic Garden has several fine examples of what appear to be the same taxon of tree peony, labelled T. suffruticosa, which was blooming spectacularly last week. The massive white flowers have purple basal blotches that I associate with P. rockii, but I do not pretend to have an opinion about tree peony taxonomy. I believe Kew published yet another monograph of Paeonia last year. The garden is in the Berkeley hills, and probably gets a more chilling hours than lower-lying areas, but I cannot say how many. 2. I have heard that a well-known Bay Area nursery frequently mentioned here is growing P. cambessedesii, though I do not know when it will be available. Best, Max Oakland CA From totototo@telus.net Thu Apr 7 14:07:52 2011 Message-Id: <4D9D959D.1032.264A37@localhost> From: totototo@telus.net Subject: Paeonia mascula Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 10:44:45 -0700 On 7 Apr 2011, at 8:51, Jane McGary wrote: > It's puzzling that Mary Sue Ittner, on the northern California coast, > would lost Mediterranean Paeonia species in the garden. As far as I > know, nothing eats the roots. They are subject to Botrytis and > perhaps other diseases. In 1989 I visited Western Hills Nursery, west of Occidental, California, a nursery famous in its day for holding a treasue trove of unusual plants. I asked Marshall Olbrich, who was still alive then, how his specimen of Chaenomeles 'Rinho' (aka 'Contorta') was doing. He replied, not well, as the winters were too wet for it. This surprised me. Driving to the nursery. I'd noted a distinct change in the ecology, from the sun drenched, dry, grassy hills to dry forest vegetation like that native to southern Vancouver Island. Quite a remarkably sharp change, as though someone had drawn a line on a map and said "on this side, dry sunny grassy hills, on that side dry forest". I have a mature specimen of 'Rinho' in my present garden, and it doesn't seem to turn a hair at our winter wet, not even in my ex-swamp patch of squelch and ooze. Species peonies have always done well for me, too, including P. cambessedessii which came up in situ from a stray seed and has survived everything Mother Nature has thrown at it over the years. I conclude that at Western Hills the winter rainfall is significantly greater than here in Victoria. Or perhaps that the climate is more humid, though I am much closer to the sea where I live (three quarters of a mile, maybe) than Western Hills' site is (was). Mary Sue, iirc, lives even further north up the coast, and I speculate that her winter rainfall is even worse than Western Hills'. The web indicates that Eureka has about twice the rainfall of Victoria, ~38 vs. ~18 inches per year. Temperature graphs indicate at Victoria's climate is slightly warmer in summer and colder in winter than Eureka. Maybe this isn't right, but whatever the explanation, clearly there's an ecological surprise here. The problem is compounded because the west coast has widely (and wildly) varying microclimates, depending on proximity to the sea, elevation, and the local terrain in general. (The Pacific coast of northern California, Oregon, Washington, and BC is hilly, even mountainous, almost everywhere.) Google StreetView URL for Western Hills Nursery: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=38.413009,- 122.971144&spn=0.001461,0.002409&z=19&layer=c&cbll=38.413009,- 122.971144&panoid=gGqjijiFfO-S-fMd9IC5DA&cbp=12,1.94,,0,4.81 -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada From plicht@berkeley.edu Thu Apr 7 13:56:18 2011 Message-Id: <4D9DFABD.70608@berkeley.edu> From: Paul Licht Subject: Paeonia mascula Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2011 10:56:13 -0700 First, to follow up on Max's comments on our tree peony /(Paeonia suffriticosa/), it's been featured on our website and facebook if you want to see it in full glory; these have bloomed reliably and profusely for many years here. We also have a very reliable and prolific stock of a herbaceous Japanese/Paeonia lactiflora/ that we often offer at our plant sales. In other words, it is possible and even easy to get fantastic blooms in our rather benign climate without putting ice on the plants in winter. Paul Licht, Director University of California Botanical Garden 200 Centennial Drive Berkeley, CA 94720 (510)-643-8999 http://botanicalgarden.berkeley.edu > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org Wed Sep 14 22:45:23 2011 Message-Id: <863268.15771.qm@web84303.mail.re1.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: Paeonia mascula Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 11:56:29 -0700 (PDT) Congratulations, Mary Sue, for having grown a peony from seed to bloom. I would say that that puts you into a rather exclusive club, about as exclusive as that for people who have raised trilliums from seed to bloom. And as you know, I share your enthusiasm for Paeonia mascula and peonies in general. The next month here will see the foliage of these plants go through an amazing and beautiful transformation. Peonies are worth collecting for their foliage alone: at one extreme are the plants such as the ones sometimes called macrophylla, at the other extreme are the ones of the tenuifolia group. The sometimes leaden,  sometimes highly colored foliage of the tree peonies is a show in itself. Ranunculaceous plants in general have some of the best foliage in the garden when seen early in development.   As in most years, Paeonia mascula will be the first peony to bloom in the garden here this year. The buds have started to open just a bit and I can see color. Some hybrid herbaceous peonies will be close seconds, unless P. emodi speeds up during the next week.   I looking over the tree peonies in the garden, I see a lot of dead wood this year. I've never seen so much dead wood on tree peonies here. Some plants seem to have lost a third or more of their above ground growth. One or two show no sign of life above ground yet. It's a rare thing for a tree peony to die.     Thanks again, Mary Sue, for singing the praises of a favorite plant.   Jim McKenney From wpoulsen@pacbell.net Thu Apr 7 18:12:23 2011 Message-Id: <9B1E8D6D-CE30-474F-956E-D9C36804C658@pacbell.net> From: Lee Poulsen Subject: Paeonia mascula Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 15:11:38 -0700 On Apr 7, 2011, at 10:44 AM, totototo@telus.net wrote: > Mary Sue, iirc, lives even further north up the coast, and I speculate that her > winter rainfall is even worse than Western Hills'. The web indicates that > Eureka has about twice the rainfall of Victoria, ~38 vs. ~18 inches per year. > Temperature graphs indicate at Victoria's climate is slightly warmer in summer > and colder in winter than Eureka. > > Maybe this isn't right, but whatever the explanation, clearly there's an > ecological surprise here. > I remember seeing this back when I was exploring the mediterranean climates of the world. I saw a distinct rain shadow effect for Victoria, BC and Port Angeles, Wash. that faded as you went north, east, south, or west of that region. Your annual rainfall there in Victoria is almost exactly the same as our annual rainfall here in Pasadena, Calif. 1600 km south of you. On the other hand there is still some USDA Zone 10 climate hugging the far northern Calif. coast including Eureka and extending up to the coastal southwestern corner of Oregon just past Brookings. I drove through Brookings once, just to see, and sure enough the landscape plants looked very similar those around parts of the San Francisco Bay Area region. At some point driving north out of Brookings, the flora rapidly changed to a "non-California" appearance. --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a From maxwithers@gmail.com Thu Apr 7 18:34:52 2011 Message-Id: <4D9E3C04.8090504@gmail.com> From: Max Withers Subject: Paeonia mascula Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:34:44 -0700 To clarify, I didn't want to speak of the Paeonia mascula I got from Seneca Hills in my last message because I am still angry with myself for killing it. I put it in a pot separated from the hose bib by a Puya, and just did not get around to watering it out of cowardice and laziness. The plant Ellen sent me was very healthy and carefully shipped! From msittner@mcn.org Thu Apr 7 19:16:43 2011 Message-Id: <20110407231639.0C23FE8D5E@lists.ibiblio.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Paeonia mascula Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2011 16:15:45 -0700 I wish I knew why I lost these plants in the ground. I'd much rather grow them there than in containers. My soil is mostly sandy, low nutrient, acidic which allows me to grow many California native, South African, and Australian shrubs as well. There is rarely standing water from our rainfall except in one spot of my garden and then is usually soaks in by the next day. But we do get a fair amount of rainfall, mostly between November and February although this year we had a lot of rain in March. Being on a ridge we also get more rainfall than people do a mile away closer to the ocean. It's because of the rain that we have so many trees. We get a lot more rain than the Bay Area and probably more total than Seattle. When we first moved here the 8 year average rainfall was 65 inches (165.10 centimeters), but we've had some drought years so now it is down to 50 inches (127cm). In El Nino years we experienced 90 to 100 in. (228.6-254cm). We usually have no rain at all between May or June and September-October and the months on the edge of the rainy season are very low rainfall. We do have summer fog and I understand plants can soak up moisture through their leaves from it. So yes, we get a lot more rain than British Columbia and the San Francisco Bay area. The plants I can grow successfully are not the same ones people grow in southern California. From discussing climates with Lauw in France I learned that when it rains there is not the same times it rains here even though he too has a Mediterranean climate. So what is the speculation, too wet in winter, too dry in summer, soil problems? I continued to water the Peonia plants in containers until they started to dry out. Plants in the ground in my garden are very dry in summer. The plants in containers were rained on. I moved them to the shade when they went dormant and the trees probably shelter them a bit from the rain, but they were still outside. Mary Sue Mary Sue Ittner California's North Coast Wet mild winters with occasional frost Dry mild summers From patrylis@aol.com Thu Apr 7 19:24:00 2011 Message-Id: <8CDC391475C9614-1FF4-571F3@webmail-d017.sysops.aol.com> From: patrylis@aol.com Subject: Real PBS meetings Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 19:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Around a month ago I posted a notice of a talk on Irids being given by members Charles Hardman and Tom Glavich. in the Los Angeles area. At least six PBS members showed up at that talk so we do get together in Southern California once in awhile. I will post notice to PBS of other talks of interest in this area and perhaps members in other areas could do the same. For instance I would go as far as San Diego and maybe even Northern California since there is family there. Another opportunity to get together or meet other members is the significant number of members in the directory who are willing to show their garden to other members with advance notice. Keep this in mind while traveling. There are more like myself who could be talked into it although I am way behind in weeding most of the time and it is rarely a good show Patty Colville Pasadena, CA From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Fri Apr 8 11:00:43 2011 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: Tulbaghia simmleri - genetics? Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 09:15:09 -0500 Dear PBSers, I've grown Tulbaghia simmleri ( aka T. fragrans) for years in its 'alba/white' form. I find it easy and very fragrant in bloom, but it has never produced seed. A few years ago I got plants from fellow PBSers (via trades) for the typical lilac-pink flowered form and early this spring had both in bloom overlapping. I tried cross pollinating in both directions. I had no 'takes' on the typical form, but a few husky looking pods are forming on a single white stem. I have to grow my plants in pots in the greenhouse with summer outdoors. Do those of you who grow this in the ground or outdoors all year round regularly get seed on this species? I don't recall seeing seed on the SeedEx, but I could have missed it. And does anyone with experience know what I'd expect having white x pink hybrid seed. ? Might seedlings be all white, all pink, something in between or a mix of shades? Are white flowers dominant or recessive? I'd appreciate comments from any PBSers with experience growing T. simmleri from seed. Best Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Fri Apr 8 11:00:44 2011 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: Paeonia on the Pacific Coast/ Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 09:59:20 -0500 Dear PBSers, My earlier suggestions to Mary Sue regarded Peony species suited to mild climates. Most growers concentrate on the hundreds of selections of P. lactiflora. This is a species that demands cold climates for its dormant buds to develop fully in many hours of near and below freezing temps. These common northern climate garden peonies can easily be grown well into Canada, Scandinavia and many northern countries. Gardeners in southern climates miss this extravagant spring display*. The Mediterranean species are less well know and less grown. Few people realize that at least one and possibly more species are found in North Africa and another dozen species are Mediterranean. (See "The Book of Mediterranean Peonies" by G.L. Osti). These do not demand extended cold dormancy and should do well on milder climates. Then there are hybrids of these species which also fit into milder climates. Although P. mascula is an easy to find and grow species, these are all subject to "micro-climates" including variation in soils. Generally peonies do not flourish in sandy soils and prefer clay soils, generally peonies prefer alkaline conditions, not acid, generally they prefer good drainage, not wet conditions, but some species are far more tolerant of these variables. A couple I'd sure recommend include P. mascula since it is one of the more wide spread and possible more tolerant of variable conditions, P. peregrina, P. cambessdessii ( the 'Queen' of the smaller 'rock garden' type species), even P. officiinalis, tenuifolia and mlokosewtischii are all Mediterranean in nature. Some species that are more demandingly Mediterranean ( i.e. milder climates, seasonal rainfall etc) are such less common species as P. parnassica, P. turcica, P. broteroi, clusii, rhodia etc. And let us not forget that there are two native Pacific Coast species well suited to cultivation. Although their flowers are of marginal garden decor, the foliage is striking and much appreciated (P. brownii and P. californica). As you get farther north on the Pacific Coast, the options improve greatly (see Pacific Rim Native Plant offerings in Brit. Col. ) And finally all the wild tree peony species originate in SW China and do well in relatively milder climates. They are not Mediterranean, but in many garden situations they should do quite well. So Mary Sue may have had mixed results with P. mascula, but there is a broad palette available to adventurous gardeners on the Pacific Coast. Best Jim W. * Not wanting to rub it in to mild climate growers, but my rough , cold, climate is ideal for many traditional peonies. I expect to see bloom on early species such as P. peregrina, mlokosewitschii, tenuifolia and tree peonies in a few weeks. Dozens more lactiflora selections, hybrids and intersectional peonies will extend the season for 6 to 7 weeks of continuous bloom. It will be heavenly through May. Tree peonies start in mid-April and continue for a month from early species to later hybrids. Glorious. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + From plicht@berkeley.edu Fri Apr 8 11:09:19 2011 Message-Id: <4D9F2517.9040903@berkeley.edu> From: Paul Licht Subject: Paeonia on the Pacific Coast/ Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 08:09:11 -0700 Jim I repeat, we have a strain of P. lactiflora that boith has beautiful flowers and is a reliable prolific bloomer in the Medit. Bay Area where we rarely get more than a short mild frost. Paul Licht, Director Univ. California Botanical Garden 200 Centennial Drive Berkeley, CA 94720 (510)-643-8999 http://botanicalgarden.berkeley.edu On 4/8/2011 7:59 AM, James Waddick wrote: > Dear PBSers, > My earlier suggestions to Mary Sue regarded Peony species > suited to mild climates. Most growers concentrate on the hundreds of > selections of P. lactiflora. This is a species that demands cold > climates for its dormant buds to develop fully in many hours of near > and below freezing temps. These common northern climate garden > p From plicht@berkeley.edu Fri Apr 8 11:11:40 2011 Message-Id: <4D9F25A5.3060707@berkeley.edu> From: Paul Licht Subject: Tulbaghia simmleri - genetics? Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 08:11:33 -0700 Jim I have it blooming all over my home garden, all derived from seed I got from Silver Hill about 8 years ago; in fact, I recall they threw it into an order as a freebie. It was very easy to grow at the time. Paul Paul Licht, Director Univ. California Botanical Garden 200 Centennial Drive Berkeley, CA 94720 (510)-643-8999 http://botanicalgarden.berkeley.edu On 4/8/2011 7:15 AM, James Waddick wrote: > Dear PBSers, > I've grown Tulbaghia simmleri ( aka T. fragrans) for years in > its 'alba/white' form. I find it easy and very fragrant in bloom, > but it has never produced seed. A few years ago I got plants from > fellow PBSers (via trades) for the typical lilac-pink flowered form > and early this spring had both in bloom overlapping. I tried cross > pollinating in both directions. > From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Fri Apr 8 11:19:48 2011 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: Paeonia on the Pacific Coast/ Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 10:17:06 -0500 >Jim >I repeat, we have a strain of P. lactiflora that boith has beautiful >flowers and is a reliable prolific bloomer in the Medit. Bay Area where >we rarely get more than a short mild frost. > Dear Paul, With literally thousands of selections and many more hybrids, I do not doubt this for a moment. Do you know what lactiflora you have? Is it a straight selection or a hybrid, named variety? It should be spread around as many milder climate gardeners really crave large flowered lactiflora types. The real Q, do the flower stems fall down in the first rain ? Best Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Fri Apr 8 11:19:49 2011 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: Tulbaghia simmleri - genetics? Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 10:19:37 -0500 >I have it blooming all over my home garden, all derived from seed I got >from Silver Hill about 8 years ago; in fact, I recall they threw it into >an order as a freebie. It was very easy to grow at the time. Dear Paul, I assume it is fertile in the wild and these, as seedlings, must show a range of genetics. Do your plants make fertile seeds, too? Do they self sow around? Is there much variability in color, size, etc.? Are they all 'typical' pink flowering? Thanks Jim -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + From davidfenwicksnr@googlemail.com Fri Apr 8 12:46:31 2011 Message-Id: From: "David Fenwick" Subject: Tulbaghia simmleri - genetics? Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 17:46:19 +0100 Hi James, There are a few diffent white forms of T. simmleri, some are quite weak. I actually named one that I obtained from California several years ago. I called it Tulbaghia simmleri 'Cheryl Renshaw' and grown well it is stately as many good Agapanthus. One of the best Tulbaghia. Regarding hybrids, there are a few bicolored pink and white forms of T. simmleri about and these have either been wild selected or crosses between the pink and the white. I would hazard a guess that if you've enough seed you'd probably produce one. This Tulbaghia is one of the least hardy and isn't grown outdoors much in temperate climates; ideally it wants frost free conditions if grown outdoors as its seasons of bloom are usually mid-winter and mid-summer. In the UK if grown in a conservatory you are almost guaranteed flowers on Christmas Day. In my experience I would say it is shy to produce seed if left to chance; and probably the least promiscuous of the genus. Best Wishes, Dave (Penzance, UK. ex NCCPG National Collection Holder of Tulbaghia) From Santoury@aol.com Fri Apr 8 13:26:00 2011 Message-Id: <8CDC42909B3E04F-A7C-6AB03@Webmail-m105.sysops.aol.com> From: santoury@aol.com Subject: My Newsletter / Email list Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 13:25:06 -0400 Hi all, From time to time, I see advertisements or other notices, on these email groups, and I would like to add people to my email list. You would receive my newsletters. I write them once or twice a month, with interesting info. about particular groups of plants, and then usually I list any new additions, or sprouts, of what I've recently planted, offering them for sale or trade. Very non-commercial. If any of you would like to be added to my e-mail list, kindly contact me privately, and I will add you to my list. Best to you all, Jude From tiede@pacbell.net Fri Apr 8 13:53:54 2011 Message-Id: <00c701cbf615$eb9e7e50$c2db7af0$@net> From: "Bracey Tiede" Subject: Tulbaghia simmleri - genetics? Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 10:53:51 -0700 T. simmleri 'Cheryl Renshaw' is quite vigorous here in San Jose CA. Cheryl herself gave us a clump and it's doing very well. And it's nicely fragrant unlike the others that are common here. As for hardiness, we rarely get to 32F or below so I can't comment. Cheers, Bracey San Jose CA -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of David Fenwick Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 9:46 AM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] Tulbaghia simmleri - genetics? Hi James, There are a few diffent white forms of T. simmleri, some are quite weak. I actually named one that I obtained from California several years ago. I called it Tulbaghia simmleri 'Cheryl Renshaw' and grown well it is stately as many good Agapanthus. One of the best Tulbaghia. Regarding hybrids, there are a few bicolored pink and white forms of T. simmleri about and these have either been wild selected or crosses between the pink and the white. I would hazard a guess that if you've enough seed you'd probably produce one. This Tulbaghia is one of the least hardy and isn't grown outdoors much in temperate climates; ideally it wants frost free conditions if grown outdoors as its seasons of bloom are usually mid-winter and mid-summer. In the UK if grown in a conservatory you are almost guaranteed flowers on Christmas Day. In my experience I would say it is shy to produce seed if left to chance; and probably the least promiscuous of the genus. Best Wishes, Dave (Penzance, UK. ex NCCPG National Collection Holder of Tulbaghia) From awilson@avonia.com Fri Apr 8 14:00:04 2011 Message-Id: From: "AW" Subject: Paeonia on the Pacific Coast/ Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 11:00:30 -0700 Dear Jim, Both your extensive and interesting comments and those of others this week reminds me of the days when I used to grow a number of both the herbaceous (not sure if that's the right term) as well as the tree kinds. In north-western Europe they flourished and, with the notable exception of the moutan, P. suffructicosa, they all bloomed superbly. The displays lasted for many weeks in that cool climate. The ground was limey which, as you noted, suited their requirements well, particularly when top-dressed annually with horse manure. The tree species such as P. lutea ssp. ludlowi performed very well, growing over 6 feet tall and blooming reliably. All specimens of the moutan, in many garden varieties, grew slowly, as they do everywhere. However, it flowered infrequently for me. I tend to subscribe to the explanation of wet winters and mild climates being the cause, as pointed out here earlier. In eastern and south-eastern England, where winters may be a little colder but are certainly drier than those of Ireland, they bloomed far better. P. suffructicosa, in southwest China, has a cold, dry winter and a warm, monsoon-dominated summer. I believe this species is really not well suited to container culture - its fleshy roots want to wander and it would need considerable attention in summer to keep it happy, not to speak of the need for a large container. But, unless she were to grow it under cover in winter, I don't think Mary Sue would be able to get this gorgeous species to bloom. I now live in a drier, warmer climate, indeed in a rather dry one. Of those peonies that prefer moisture in winter rather than in summer I may want to try some of the mediterranean species mentioned in your messages, Jim. As of now, I cannot grow even the native P. californica. Believe me, I have failed more than once! It demands more chill and more winter rain than we get near the coastline. Here is a shot taken in mid-March of it blooming a mere twelve miles further inland where frosts are more frequent and rainfall is greater than what we get here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewrmw/5601056590/lightbox/. This year we've had 11 inches since July 1, an unusually wet year; in Poway to the east they've had 21 inches at the site I checked. But, it grows more abundantly at higher elevations where winters are both colder and wetter. So, it takes all sorts! Andrew San Diego -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of James Waddick Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 7:59 AM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: [pbs] Paeonia on the Pacific Coast/ Dear PBSers, My earlier suggestions to Mary Sue regarded Peony species suited to mild climates. Most growers concentrate on the hundreds of selections of P. lactiflora. This is a species that demands cold climates for its dormant buds to develop fully in many hours of near and below freezing temps. These common northern climate garden peonies can easily be grown well into Canada, Scandinavia and many northern countries. Gardeners in southern climates miss this extravagant spring display*. The Mediterranean species are less well know and less grown. Few people realize that at least one and possibly more species are found in North Africa and another dozen species are Mediterranean. (See "The Book of Mediterranean Peonies" by G.L. Osti). These do not demand extended cold dormancy and should do well on milder climates. Then there are hybrids of these species which also fit into milder climates. Although P. mascula is an easy to find and grow species, these are all subject to "micro-climates" including variation in soils. Generally peonies do not flourish in sandy soils and prefer clay soils, generally peonies prefer alkaline conditions, not acid, generally they prefer good drainage, not wet conditions, but some species are far more tolerant of these variables. A couple I'd sure recommend include P. mascula since it is one of the more wide spread and possible more tolerant of variable conditions, P. peregrina, P. cambessdessii ( the 'Queen' of the smaller 'rock garden' type species), even P. officiinalis, tenuifolia and mlokosewtischii are all Mediterranean in nature. Some species that are more demandingly Mediterranean ( i.e. milder climates, seasonal rainfall etc) are such less common species as P. parnassica, P. turcica, P. broteroi, clusii, rhodia etc. And let us not forget that there are two native Pacific Coast species well suited to cultivation. Although their flowers are of marginal garden decor, the foliage is striking and much appreciated (P. brownii and P. californica). As you get farther north on the Pacific Coast, the options improve greatly (see Pacific Rim Native Plant offerings in Brit. Col. ) And finally all the wild tree peony species originate in SW China and do well in relatively milder climates. They are not Mediterranean, but in many garden situations they should do quite well. So Mary Sue may have had mixed results with P. mascula, but there is a broad palette available to adventurous gardeners on the Pacific Coast. Best Jim W. * Not wanting to rub it in to mild climate growers, but my rough , cold, climate is ideal for many traditional peonies. I expect to see bloom on early species such as P. peregrina, mlokosewitschii, tenuifolia and tree peonies in a few weeks. Dozens more lactiflora selections, hybrids and intersectional peonies will extend the season for 6 to 7 weeks of continuous bloom. It will be heavenly through May. Tree peonies start in mid-April and continue for a month from early species to later hybrids. Glorious. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + From pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org Wed Sep 14 23:00:22 2011 Message-Id: <870276.41924.qm@web84303.mail.re1.yahoo.com> From: Jim McKenney Subject: Paeonia mascula Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 12:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Paeonia mascula is about to bloom here in zone 7 Maryland.   Jim McKenney From brown.mark@wanadoo.fr Mon Apr 11 02:55:13 2011 Message-Id: <7481170.109935.1302504457902.JavaMail.www@wwinf1e32> From: Mark BROWN Subject: Leucojum aestivum cvs.? Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 08:47:37 +0200 (CEST) Harold, No, sorry I do not grow any of the semi-double variants. I only aquired the yellow tipped Leucojum vernum 'Eva Habermeier' last year. Sorry I cannot be of more help. Mark > Message du 02/04/11 16:23 > De : "Harold Koopowitz" > A : "Pacific Bulb Society" > Copie à : > Objet : Re: [pbs] Leucojum aestivum cvs.? > > Mark: > Do you know of a source of Gertrude Weisser? > Harold > > At 11:24 PM 3/30/2011, you wrote: > > > > >Hello, > >I know that Gravetye Giant may take a couple of years for its extra > >large size and flowers to materialise. > >But saying that, they are not that much bigger than any other form, > >just enough to warrant cultivation. > >Re: yellow tips.This is surely a L.vernum form? This is called > >L.vernum var. 'Wagneri' variously. I have from Germany a form which > >is very good and stable called 'Eva Habermeyer'.I have never heard > >of a L.aestivum doing this trick. > >There are quite a few cultivars being selected of L. vernum and some > >being sold by Joe Sharman at Monksilver Plants in Cambridgeshire in > >the U.K. But in all honesty they are only botanical oddities and > >vary so little as yet from the species. > >The semi-double L. vernum 'Gretrude Weisser' is around.It is a north > >american selection. > >I am still waiting for a true and beautiful double form of either of > >these species. > >Kind regards, > >Mark > > > > > Message du 31/03/11 00:04 > > > De : "James Waddick" > > > A : "Pacific Bulb Society" > > > >" I've grown L. aestivum for ages. I just noticed a first > > > flower on bulbs purchased as 'Gravetye Giant'. I bought bulbs with > > > this name specifically to compare it to the old unnamed variety grown > > > and seeding around. I can see no difference. > > > > > > I understand that there is a cv with yellow spots replacing > > > the green at the distal tips of each petal. Does such a cv exist ? > > > and what is it called? > > > > > > Are there any other cultivars or un-name variants available > > > in cultivation or from collectors?" > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >pbs mailing list > >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From bulborum@gmail.com Mon Apr 11 04:01:24 2011 Message-Id: From: bulborum botanicum Subject: Leucojum aestivum cvs.? Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:01:18 +0200 I just found inbetween my LN collected L. aestivum a 20 cm small one of-course partly eaten by slugs before I could make a picture see: https://picasaweb.google.com/bulborum/LeucojumAestivumSmallForm# Roland 2011/4/11 Mark BROWN > Harold, > No, sorry I do not grow any of the semi-double variants. > I only aquired the yellow tipped Leucojum vernum 'Eva Habermeier' last > year. > -- R de Boer La Maugardiere 1 F 27260 EPAIGNES FRANCE Phone./Fax 0033-232-576-204 Email: bulborum@gmail.com From brown.mark@wanadoo.fr Mon Apr 11 04:21:46 2011 Message-Id: <25711396.113447.1302510100724.JavaMail.www@wwinf1e34> From: Mark BROWN Subject: Leucojum aestivum cvs.? Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:21:40 +0200 (CEST) You will have to see what it does in the next few years.If it is stable or not. Mark 1924 route de la mer, 76119 Sainte Marguerite-sur-mer, FRANCE. > Message du 11/04/11 10:01 > De : "bulborum botanicum" > A : "Pacific Bulb Society" > Copie à : > Objet : Re: [pbs] Leucojum aestivum cvs.? > > I just found inbetween my LN collected L. aestivum > a 20 cm small one > of-course partly eaten by slugs > before I could make a picture > > see: https://picasaweb.google.com/bulborum/LeucojumAestivumSmallForm# > > Roland > > > > 2011/4/11 Mark BROWN > > > Harold, > > No, sorry I do not grow any of the semi-double variants. > > I only aquired the yellow tipped Leucojum vernum 'Eva Habermeier' last > > year. > > > > -- > R de Boer > La Maugardiere 1 > F 27260 EPAIGNES > FRANCE > > Phone./Fax 0033-232-576-204 > Email: bulborum@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Mon Apr 11 09:34:55 2011 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: NOT - Leucojum aestivum cvs.? Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 08:27:51 -0500 >No, sorry I do not grow any of the semi-double variants. >I only aquired the yellow tipped Leucojum vernum 'Eva Habermeier' last year. > > De : "Harold Koopowitz" > > Objet : Re: [pbs] Leucojum aestivum cvs.? > > Do you know of a source of Gertrude Weisser? Dear Friends, I just couldn't figure out these messages right away, but then realized that they all refer to L. vernum - NOT aestivum. L. v. 'Eva Habermeier' is actually L. v. carpaticum 'Eva Habermeier'. Although L. v. Carpaticum is around and fairly common, there are few named L. vernum with cv names. Janis Ruksans sells bulbs with the name 'Podpolozje', the name refers to a location and is not a single cultivar, but stock collected in this site. Mark could please describe 'eva" and explain how it is distinct from the range of carpaticum? L. v. 'Gertrude Wister' originated in Swarthmore, PA on the grounds of the College there and the garden of said Mrs. Wister. Harold, I know of no commercial source. See the wiki for my pic. I have to thank John Grimshaw for his clarification of these names and cvs to me. I had written earlier about my own confusion. Incidentally L. aestivum is now blooming in my garden and again thanks to John I may be able to confirm or identify the real 'Gravetye Giant' as a distinct cv. John sent me a picture of l. aestivum growing partially submerged and emphasized its preference for damp locations and explanation of why my plants on a prairie site are less vigorous than they could be. Best to all Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + From awilson@avonia.com Mon Apr 11 17:54:27 2011 Message-Id: <2EFB4B762F0B4FE8A655832D2D700B3A@Desktop> From: "AW" Subject: Watsonia aletrioides Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 14:54:27 -0700 This bulb, one of the easiest to grow, has been in bloom here for many weeks this spring. The color is bright red. Today, I noticed a young plant in bloom with a buff-orange color. It's attractive. How often do we get color variants with this species. I've grown it for years and it pops up here and there slowly forming handsome clumps, but this is the first time I've seen a color variant. Delighted! Andrew San Diego From ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com Mon Apr 11 19:23:29 2011 Message-Id: From: Alberto Castillo Subject: Watsonia aletrioides Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 23:18:19 +0000 Often. The bicolors are particularly striking. How often do we get color > variants with this species. I've grown it for years and it pops up here and > there slowly forming handsome clumps, but this is the first time I've seen a > color variant. Delighted! From Santoury@aol.com Tue Apr 12 12:08:29 2011 Message-Id: <8CDC742E49652C2-590-4A66@webmail-m059.sysops.aol.com> From: santoury@aol.com Subject: Newsletters Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 12:07:44 -0400 It's that time of the month again - I'm about to send out my latest newsletter - I write them once or twice a month, with cool plant info, as well as what I'm growing - just a fun way to stay connected, and to meet new people. If you would like to start receiving my newsletters, please contact me privately via email. To all of you new members, my name is Jude, and I grow a wide variety of tropicals, and perennials here in Massachusetts, outside, and in my plant house, and love meeting new plant nuts! Happy spring to all of you! Best, Jude From Santoury@aol.com Tue Apr 12 15:36:39 2011 Message-Id: <8CDC75F4DF9530E-108C-7BE9@webmail-d083.sysops.aol.com> From: santoury@aol.com Subject: Fritillaria - Variegated ? Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:31:07 -0400 This weekend, I visited Odyssey Bulbs, here in Massachusetts, and was blown away by his diverse collection. What struck me, especially, were his variegated Fritillarias. I've never seen these before - they are very interesting looking with the yellow edges on the leaves. Anybody else grow these? I tried a regular Crown Imperial here, but it didn't come back the next year - although the people next door have two that are always reliable every year. Those variegated ones are tempting! Jude From pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org Wed Sep 14 23:15:22 2011 Message-Id: From: "andrew" Subject: Watsonia aletrioides Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 12:32:53 -0700 The image of this seedling appears at http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewrmw/5614252496/in/photostream Andrew San Diego From pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org Wed Sep 14 23:15:24 2011 Message-Id: <07F2D8ACFC494FEE9B10563CA73CBE8A@Desktop> From: "andrew" Subject: Watsonia aletrioides Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 12:36:16 -0700 The image of this seedling appears at http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewrmw/5614252496/in/photostream Andrew San Diego From awilson@avonia.com Tue Apr 12 15:39:12 2011 Message-Id: <39510EA40F28449AAFAC403ED7272106@Desktop> From: Subject: Watsonia aletrioides Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 12:39:27 -0700 The image of this seedling appears at http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewrmw/5614252496/in/photostream Andrew San Diego From gmaculata@gmail.com Tue Apr 12 15:53:26 2011 Message-Id: From: Glen Lord Subject: Fritillaria - Variegated ? Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:53:20 -0400 I do not know anything about Frits... I have met Russell before at Bonsai West but have never been to his place. Does he just grow outdoor bulbs? On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 3:31 PM, wrote: > This weekend, I visited Odyssey Bulbs, here in Massachusetts, and was blown > away by his diverse collection. What struck me, especially, were his > variegated Fritillarias. I've never seen these before - they are very > interesting looking with the yellow edges on the leaves. Anybody else grow > these? > I tried a regular Crown Imperial here, but it didn't come back the next > year - although the people next door have two that are always reliable every > year. > Those variegated ones are tempting! > Jude > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > -- Glen From bulborum@gmail.com Tue Apr 12 15:55:55 2011 Message-Id: From: bulborum botanicum Subject: Fritillaria - Variegated ? Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 21:55:49 +0200 Helo Jude Maybe your soil is to poor Fritillaria imperialis loves a rich soil and many salesman sell bulbs with hart-rot always if you buy bulbs the bulb must be wrapped in tissue otherwise the early appearing roots dry out bulbs must be white at the bottom Roland 2011/4/12 This weekend, I visited Odyssey Bulbs, here in Massachusetts, and was blown away by his diverse collection. What struck me, especially, were his variegated Fritillarias. I've never seen these before - they are very interesting looking with the yellow edges on the leaves. Anybody else grow these? -- R de Boer La Maugardiere 1 F 27260 EPAIGNES FRANCE Phone./Fax 0033-232-576-204 Email:   bulborum@gmail.com From Santoury@aol.com Tue Apr 12 15:57:40 2011 Message-Id: <8CDC762F4C47F1B-108C-80E1@webmail-d083.sysops.aol.com> From: santoury@aol.com Subject: Fritillaria - Variegated ? Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:57:15 -0400 Yes, it's a strictly outdoors operation - he's a great guy. -----Original Message----- From: Glen Lord To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Tue, Apr 12, 2011 3:53 pm Subject: Re: [pbs] Fritillaria - Variegated ? I do not know anything about Frits... I have met Russell before at Bonsai West but have never been to his place. Does he just grow outdoor bulbs? On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 3:31 PM, wrote: > This weekend, I visited Odyssey Bulbs, here in Massachusetts, and was blown > away by his diverse collection. What struck me, especially, were his > variegated Fritillarias. I've never seen these before - they are very > interesting looking with the yellow edges on the leaves. Anybody else grow > these? > I tried a regular Crown Imperial here, but it didn't come back the next > year - although the people next door have two that are always reliable every > year. > Those variegated ones are tempting! > Jude > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > -- Glen _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From Santoury@aol.com Tue Apr 12 16:05:44 2011 Message-Id: <8CDC76361600F73-108C-819C@webmail-d083.sysops.aol.com> From: santoury@aol.com Subject: Fritillaria - Variegated ? Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 16:00:17 -0400 My neighbor does work his soil, so my soil might be poor - but I bought mine from Home Depot, so it might not be a healthy bulb to begin with. I will try again with a better source. Thanks! Jude -----Original Message----- From: bulborum botanicum To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Tue, Apr 12, 2011 3:55 pm Subject: Re: [pbs] Fritillaria - Variegated ? Helo Jude Maybe your soil is to poor Fritillaria imperialis loves a rich soil and many salesman sell bulbs with hart-rot always if you buy bulbs the bulb must be wrapped in tissue otherwise the early appearing roots dry out bulbs must be white at the bottom Roland 2011/4/12 This weekend, I visited Odyssey Bulbs, here in Massachusetts, and was blown away by his diverse collection. What struck me, especially, were his variegated Fritillarias. I've never seen these before - they are very interesting looking with the yellow edges on the leaves. Anybody else grow these? -- R de Boer La Maugardiere 1 F 27260 EPAIGNES FRANCE Phone./Fax 0033-232-576-204 Email: bulborum@gmail.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From bulborum@gmail.com Tue Apr 12 16:19:20 2011 Message-Id: From: bulborum botanicum Subject: Fritillaria - Variegated ? Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 22:19:08 +0200 Maybe you should also look at the size there must be a marking 22/24 or better 24+ this is the circumference The minimum size I sell is 28+ mix also blood and bonemeal in the soil Roland 2011/4/12 :  My neighbor does work his soil, so my soil might be poor - but I bought mine from Home Depot, so it might not be a healthy bulb to begin with. I will try again with a better source. -- R de Boer La Maugardiere 1 F 27260 EPAIGNES FRANCE Phone./Fax 0033-232-576-204 Email:   bulborum@gmail.com From ds429@comcast.net Tue Apr 12 16:27:07 2011 Message-Id: <000b01cbf94f$fd1e11d0$f75a3570$@net> From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: Pacific BX 271 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 16:27:04 -0400 Dear All, The items listed below have been donated by our members to be shared. If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at . Include "BX 271" in the subject line. Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money (usually $2.00/item) (cash, check, or Pay Pal to ; no money orders, please) you should send the PBS treasurer to defray our costs for packing and first-class, priority-mail, or international postage. PLEASE NOTE: CURRENT POSTAL-RATE SCHEMES NECESSITATE OUR PLACING A SURCHARGE ON EACH ORDER FROM PBS BX OFFERINGS. Some of you are members of the online PBS discussion forum but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO MEMBERS OF THE PBS. Consider joining the PBS so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org .... If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: Dell Sherk 6832 Phillips Mill Rd. New Hope, PA, 18938 USA Non US donors should contact me for instructions before sending seeds. I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! From Marc Hachadourian: 1. Seeds of Paramongaia weberbauri From Jay Yourch: (Extra postage charges for heavy items.) 2. Bulbs of Crinum 'Ellen Bosanquet' which range from large to small http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/CrinumHybridsRed#EllenBo sanquet 3. ONE (ONLY) decent sized bulb of Crinum x powellii 'Album' http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/CrinumHybridsWhiteTwo#po welliiAlbum 4. Medium to small bulbs of 'Crinum 'Sunbonnet' http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/CrinumHybridsRed#Sunbonn et 5. Just a few small offsets of Crinum 'Amelia Garza' http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/CrinumHybridsStriped#Ame liaGarza From a friendly trade with the Species Iris Group of North America ($0.75 per pkt):(SEEDS) 6. Dietes flavida 7. Gladiolus tristis 8. Iris foetidissima, ex 'Citrina' 9. Iris magnifica 10. Iris pseudacorus, ex 'Minwanosato' 11. Iris setosa, mixed 12. Iris sibirica 13. Iris tectorum, mixed 14. Iris tridentate 15. Sparaxis metelerkampiae Thank you, Marc, Jay, and SIGNA !! Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX From markmazerandfm13@earthlink.net Tue Apr 12 16:50:25 2011 Message-Id: <410-220114212205016953@earthlink.net> From: "MARK MAZER AND FREDRIKA MAZER" Subject: Pacific BX 271 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 16:50:16 -0400 Hi Dell, Please put me on the list for #: 1, 4, 5, 9. Thanks and Best, Mark Mazer From ds429@comcast.net Wed Apr 13 06:52:43 2011 Message-Id: <1201171250.1071170.1302691960049.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> From: ds429@comcast.net Subject: Pacific BX 271 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:52:40 +0000 (UTC) I have received your order. Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX ----- Original Message ----- From: "MARK MAZER AND FREDRIKA MAZER" To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 4:50:16 PM Subject: Re: [pbs] Pacific BX 271 Hi Dell, Please put me on the list for #: 1, 4, 5, 9. Thanks and Best, Mark Mazer _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From desertdenial@hotmail.com Wed Apr 13 11:27:22 2011 Message-Id: From: Denise Marie Ortiz Subject: Newsletters Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 09:22:10 -0600 Hey Jude, Please put me on your list to receive your newsletter!! Thanks, Marie > To: aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com; philodendron-group@googlegroups.com; cycad@yahoogroups.com; pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 12:07:44 -0400 > From: santoury@aol.com > Subject: [pbs] Newsletters > > It's that time of the month again - I'm about to send out my latest newsletter - I write them once or twice a month, with cool plant info, as well as what I'm growing - just a fun way to stay connected, and to meet new people. If you would like to start receiving my newsletters, please contact me privately via email. To all of you new members, my name is Jude, and I grow a wide variety of tropicals, and perennials here in Massachusetts, outside, and in my plant house, and love meeting new plant nuts! > Happy spring to all of you! > Best, Jude > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From arlen.jose@verizon.net Wed Apr 13 21:49:29 2011 Message-Id: From: "Fred Biasella" Subject: Newsletters Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 18:48:13 -0400 Hi Jude, Where in Massachusetts do you live? I live in Cambridge and hopefully not too far away from you. Like you, I grow a lot of perennials outside and some of them are "supposedly" not rates for this area. I also grow lots of clivia, South African bulbs , a few orchids and other tropicals as well. Please add my name to your news letter. Warm Regards and Thanks, Fred Biasella -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of santoury@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 12:08 PM To: aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com; philodendron-group@googlegroups.com; cycad@yahoogroups.com; pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: [pbs] Newsletters It's that time of the month again - I'm about to send out my latest newsletter - I write them once or twice a month, with cool plant info, as well as what I'm growing - just a fun way to stay connected, and to meet new people. If you would like to start receiving my newsletters, please contact me privately via email. To all of you new members, my name is Jude, and I grow a wide variety of tropicals, and perennials here in Massachusetts, outside, and in my plant house, and love meeting new plant nuts! Happy spring to all of you! Best, Jude From msittner@mcn.org Thu Apr 14 10:47:54 2011 Message-Id: <20110414144750.204FBE8B0F@lists.ibiblio.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Ledebouria sp. Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 07:43:36 -0700 Hi, There seems to be a fair amount of interest in our group in Ledebouria, but a lot of frustration too about identification of them. On our wiki Ledebouria page we have a lot of unidentified species and I have some other pictures of species from Cameron on CDs that are also labeled Ledebouria sp. I have added one of my own today. I grew it from seed from Silverhill Seed labeled L. ovalifolia. I must not have looked it up or found out much about it and assumed it was a summer rainfall species so started the seed in April instead of in the fall and it germinated a couple of months later and I ended up with three bulbs. I continued to grow it that way, moving it undercover in the winter where it remained damp but not soggy during its dormancy and watering it in summer. It started blooming five years later and has continued to produce leaves in spring and bloom late spring-early summer (May to June). I never got around to adding photos of it to the wiki. Recently I decided to do that and discovered that it is unlikely that it is that species since that one is described in a number of my sources as having ascending or erect leaves. I looked back at Rhoda's introduction when this was a topic of the week and she stated that Hankey described this species as having appressed leaves, but said the ones she grew had semi-upright leaves. It has a broad distribution from the northwest Cape to the southeastern Cape so perhaps there could be variation in the leaves. I asked Aaron for an opinion and he suggested L. marginata. But it doesn't have the distinctive margin of that species and the Venter description of it states it has spirally twisted tough glaucous leaves with prominent venation that are partly emerged with flowering. The leaves of my plants appear before flowering and I wouldn't describe them that way. He also suggested perhaps L. ovatifolia or L. revoluta but those leaves are usually spotted and the later often crisped. After struggling a bit with the Venter paper in Herbertia I decided the best option was to declare it another sp. and add it to the rest on the wiki page. If any of you have any ideas about it or any of the others we haven't figured out, please speak up. The new one is at the bottom of the others, but opinions about any of them are welcome. Mary Sue Mary Sue Ittner California's North Coast Wet mild winters with occasional frost Dry mild summers From xerantheum@gmail.com Thu Apr 14 12:53:07 2011 Message-Id: From: Nhu Nguyen Subject: Ledebouria sp. Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:53:03 -0700 Hi Mary Sue, Thank you for adding more Ledebouria photos to the wiki. It seems to be a very popular genus that many people grow but unfortunately we don't have a whole lot of photos on the wiki. We have one that looks very similar to yours, a form from the South Coast of Natal and blooms the same time as yours. We grow it as summer grower and it responds really well to that treatment. I wonder if these could be the same species, whatever it is. http://www.flickr.com/photos/xerantheum/5590954405/in/photostream/ Eventually I will put it on the wiki. I'm only through the letter A for my photos that need to be added. Nhu Berkeley, CA Mild wet winters, cool dry summers. On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 7:43 AM, Mary Sue Ittner wrote: > Hi, > > If any of you have any ideas about it or any of the others we haven't > figured out, please speak up. The new one is at the bottom of the > others, but opinions about any of them are welcome. > > > Mary Sue > -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/xerantheum/ From Santoury@aol.com Thu Apr 14 13:03:55 2011 Message-Id: <8CDC8DD01C6F9AB-10D4-9651@webmail-m053.sysops.aol.com> From: The SIlent Seed Subject: Ledebouria sp. Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 13:03:27 -0400 Wow, the last one (leaves along the ground) is really interesting! It reminds me of a Massonia or something - same look. I love Ledebouria, and grow several species, but nothing like this! I look forward to learning more about this genus! I've been unsuccessful with seeds. Do these tend to have low germination rates? I plant them, pretty much on top of the soil, and keep moist. If somebody knows of a better method, let me know! Best, Jude ______________________________________________ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you want to receive my plant newsletters via email? santoury@aol.com The Silent Seed - Rare and Unusual Plants ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Nhu Nguyen To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Thu, Apr 14, 2011 12:53 pm Subject: Re: [pbs] Ledebouria sp. Hi Mary Sue, Thank you for adding more Ledebouria photos to the wiki. It seems to be a very popular genus that many people grow but unfortunately we don't have a whole lot of photos on the wiki. We have one that looks very similar to yours, a form from the South Coast of Natal and blooms the same time as yours. We grow it as summer grower and it responds really well to that treatment. I wonder if these could be the same species, whatever it is. http://www.flickr.com/photos/xerantheum/5590954405/in/photostream/ Eventually I will put it on the wiki. I'm only through the letter A for my photos that need to be added. Nhu Berkeley, CA Mild wet winters, cool dry summers. On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 7:43 AM, Mary Sue Ittner wrote: > Hi, > > If any of you have any ideas about it or any of the others we haven't > figured out, please speak up. The new one is at the bottom of the > others, but opinions about any of them are welcome. > > > Mary Sue > -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/xerantheum/ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From xerantheum@gmail.com Thu Apr 14 13:24:36 2011 Message-Id: From: Nhu Nguyen Subject: Ledebouria sp. Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 10:24:28 -0700 Jude, Seeds of Ledebouria are ephemeral and will only last about 6 months so you may want to plant them as soon as you can manage in the right season. I plant them underneath about 1/4 inch (1/2cm) of potting mix and with good seeds have had decent luck with germination. I kept the pots indoors where they stayed warm until germination. Nhu Berkeley, CA On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 10:03 AM, The SIlent Seed wrote: > Do these tend to have low germination rates? I plant them, pretty much on > top of the soil, and keep moist. If somebody knows of a better method, let > me know! > > -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/xerantheum/ From Santoury@aol.com Thu Apr 14 13:27:42 2011 Message-Id: <8CDC8E0561BB10B-10D4-9E5D@webmail-m053.sysops.aol.com> From: The SIlent Seed Subject: Use of the word "Seedling" Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 13:27:17 -0400 I have been curious about how people use the word "seedling" for a while now. I've seen people say that their "seedling" is about to flower. When I think of the word, I think of a... well... seedling - a small, young plant, recently sprouted, not a mature plant. Could somebody explain to me the logistics of how the word is used, and why it might be used to describe a flowering size plant? Thanks, Jude ______________________________________________ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you want to receive my plant newsletters via email? santoury@aol.com The Silent Seed - Rare and Unusual Plants ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Santoury@aol.com Thu Apr 14 13:29:41 2011 Message-Id: <8CDC8E09876050B-10D4-9F1F@webmail-m053.sysops.aol.com> From: The SIlent Seed Subject: Ledebouria sp. Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 13:29:08 -0400 Thanks Nhu. I bought most of mine from an Ebay seller in South Africa. They claim their seeds are fresh - but could it be that they are just old? It sounds like my conditions are pretty much what they need. By now, they have been planted for a couple of months - 2-3 months. Time to discard them and try again? Thanks, Jude ______________________________________________ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you want to receive my plant newsletters via email? santoury@aol.com The Silent Seed - Rare and Unusual Plants ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Nhu Nguyen To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Thu, Apr 14, 2011 1:24 pm Subject: Re: [pbs] Ledebouria sp. Jude, Seeds of Ledebouria are ephemeral and will only last about 6 months so you may want to plant them as soon as you can manage in the right season. I plant them underneath about 1/4 inch (1/2cm) of potting mix and with good seeds have had decent luck with germination. I kept the pots indoors where they stayed warm until germination. Nhu Berkeley, CA On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 10:03 AM, The SIlent Seed wrote: > Do these tend to have low germination rates? I plant them, pretty much on > top of the soil, and keep moist. If somebody knows of a better method, let > me know! > > -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/xerantheum/ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From bulborum@gmail.com Thu Apr 14 13:38:51 2011 Message-Id: From: bulborum botanicum Subject: Use of the word "Seedling" Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:38:45 +0200 Maybe they mean a from seed propagated plant which is about to flower Roland 2011/4/14 The SIlent Seed : I have been curious about how people use the word "seedling" for a while now. I've seen people say that their "seedling" is about to flower. When I think of the word, I think of a... well... seedling - a small, young plant, recently sprouted, not a mature plant. Could somebody explain to me the logistics of how the word is used, and why it might be used to describe a flowering size plant? Thanks, Jude -- R de Boer La Maugardiere 1 F 27260 EPAIGNES FRANCE Phone./Fax 0033-232-576-204 Email:   bulborum@gmail.com From pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org Wed Sep 14 23:15:24 2011 Message-Id: From: dave s Subject: Use of the word "Seedling" Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 13:40:23 -0400 A plant from seed will have a unique individual genotype, a combination of its parents' - it is the result of sexual reproduction. Other methods of propagation - offsets, cuttings - make plants that are clones. In a nutshell. - Dave On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 1:27 PM, The SIlent Seed wrote: > I have been curious about how people use the word "seedling" for a while > now. I've seen people say that their "seedling" is about to flower. When I > think of the word, I think of a... well... seedling - a small, young plant, > recently sprouted, not a mature plant. > Could somebody explain to me the logistics of how the word is used, and why > it might be used to describe a flowering size plant? > Thanks, Jude > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Do you want to receive my plant newsletters via email? > santoury@aol.com > The Silent Seed - Rare and Unusual Plants > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From bulborum@gmail.com Thu Apr 14 13:42:00 2011 Message-Id: From: bulborum botanicum Subject: Ledebouria sp. Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:41:53 +0200 Jude what means *The SIlent Seed* 2011/4/14 The SIlent Seed : > > Thanks Nhu. > I bought most of mine from an Ebay seller in South Africa. They claim their seeds are fresh - but could it be that they -- R de Boer La Maugardiere 1 F 27260 EPAIGNES FRANCE Phone./Fax 0033-232-576-204 Email: bulborum@gmail.com From xerantheum@gmail.com Thu Apr 14 13:56:11 2011 Message-Id: From: Nhu Nguyen Subject: Use of the word "Seedling" Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 10:56:06 -0700 Jude, You are right that seedling means an immature plant but it is not restricted to recently sprouted plants. My interpretation (at least for monocots) is that any plant that has yet to reach reproductive maturity (i.e. flower) can be considered a seedling. Some plants can get quite large before this happens. I think the use of seedling is different when you're talking about dicots because an oak tree can get quite large before blooming. Nhu Berkeley, CA On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 10:27 AM, The SIlent Seed wrote: > I have been curious about how people use the word "seedling" for a while > now. I've seen people say that their "seedling" is about to flower. When I > think of the word, I think of a... well... seedling - a small, young plant, > recently sprouted, not a mature plant. Could somebody explain to me the > logistics of how the word is used, and why it might be used to describe a > flowering size plant? > From voltaire@islandnet.com Thu Apr 14 14:30:09 2011 Message-Id: From: Diane Whitehead Subject: Use of the word "Seedling" Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 11:20:35 -0700 I usually use "seedling" to refer to newly germinated plants, but I also use it in a genealogical sense: "This (giant rhododendron, camellia etc) is a seedling of (usually a named form of the same species)." Diane Whitehead Victoria, British Columbia, Canada maritime zone 8, cool Mediterranean climate mild rainy winters, mild dry summers From jshields@indy.net Thu Apr 14 14:49:36 2011 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20110414144356.05217e98@pop.indy.net> From: "J.E. Shields" Subject: Use of the word "Seedling" Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 14:49:30 -0400 I usually use it in the sense Diane describes, to refer to a plant grown from a seed as opposed to a plant vegetatively propagated from a named cultivar, e.g., clone. In this sense, when your seedlings reach flowering stage, you can select from them any that you wish to name and propagate further. Used thus in the context of breeding orchids, daylilies, etc. Jim Shields retire daylily hybridizer At 11:20 AM 4/14/2011 -0700, you wrote: >I usually use "seedling" to refer to newly germinated plants, but I >also use it in a genealogical sense: "This (giant rhododendron, >camellia etc) is a seedling of (usually a named form of the same >species)." > >Diane Whitehead ************************************************* Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Tel. ++1-317-867-3344 From dkramb@gmail.com Thu Apr 14 14:54:04 2011 Message-Id: From: Dennis Kramb Subject: Use of the word "Seedling" Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 14:53:57 -0400 For me, my experience with "seedlings" comes from hybridizing irises. Anything I've grown from seed, is a seedling... even if it is 15 years old now and a massive clump of rhizomes in my garden. To other hybridizers (& iris enthusiasts in general) the name "seedling" implies that I haven't named, registered, or introduced this iris yet. Dennis in Cincinnati From pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org Wed Sep 14 23:15:24 2011 Message-Id: From: dave s Subject: Use of the word "Seedling" Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 15:04:12 -0400 So we all look at it differently? :D To me, it denotes that it's not a clone of another plant. -Dave On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Dennis Kramb wrote: > For me, my experience with "seedlings" comes from hybridizing irises. > Anything I've grown from seed, is a seedling... even if it is 15 years old > now and a massive clump of rhizomes in my garden. To other hybridizers (& > iris enthusiasts in general) the name "seedling" implies that I haven't > named, registered, or introduced this iris yet. > > Dennis in Cincinnati > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From plicht@berkeley.edu Thu Apr 14 15:16:07 2011 Message-Id: <4DA747F4.2050500@berkeley.edu> From: Paul Licht Subject: Use of the word "Seedling" Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 12:16:04 -0700 I think the message should already be clear. The term 'seedling' is not a precise one and has been used in many contexts. I was just thinking of our 30yr old monkey puzzle tree that produced its first crop of seed; never occurred to me that it was a seedling up to now. In the Garden, we generally use it to refer to a newly germinated plant that has only a few sets of true leaves. Paul Licht, Director University of California Botanical Garden 200 Centennial Drive Berkeley, CA 94720 (510)-643-8999 http://botanicalgarden.berkeley.edu On 4/14/2011 11:53 AM, Dennis Kramb wrote: > For me, my experience with "seedlings" comes from hybridizing irises. > Anything I've grown from seed, is a seedling... even if it is 15 years old > now and a massive clump of rhizomes in my garden. To other hybridizers (& > iris enthusiasts in general) the name "seedling" implies that I haven't > named, registered, or introduced this iris yet. > > Dennis in Cincinnati > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From joshy46013@yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 16:43:56 2011 Message-Id: <441859.90560.qm@web121713.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Josh Young Subject: Use of the word "Seedling" Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 13:43:55 -0700 (PDT) Jude, I use "seedling" in the same context as Nhu according to my geophytes. In my eyes they're considered seedlings until their maiden bloom, at this point I consider them mature plants. I think it's all a matter of preference, there is no rhyme or reason, once a plant has fully matured I still may describe them as seedllings if I'm referring to them as offspring of the parent plants. Josh ________________________________ From: Nhu Nguyen To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Thu, April 14, 2011 1:56:06 PM Subject: Re: [pbs] Use of the word "Seedling" Jude, You are right that seedling means an immature plant but it is not restricted to recently sprouted plants. My interpretation (at least for monocots) is that any plant that has yet to reach reproductive maturity (i.e. flower) can be considered a seedling. Some plants can get quite large before this happens. I think the use of seedling is different when you're talking about dicots because an oak tree can get quite large before blooming. Nhu Berkeley, CA From voltaire@islandnet.com Thu Apr 14 18:09:32 2011 Message-Id: From: Diane Whitehead Subject: Use of the word "Seedling" Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 15:09:29 -0700 Yes, same with people - they're your children even if they're old enough to retire. Diane On 14-Apr-11, at 1:43 PM, Josh Young wrote: > I still may describe them as seedllings if I'm referring > to them as offspring of the parent plants. > From pbs@pilling.demon.co.uk Thu Apr 14 18:16:27 2011 Message-Id: From: David Pilling Subject: Use of the word "Seedling" Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 23:09:56 +0100 Hi, The proper name of many apples includes 'seedling' e.g. bramley's seedling -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK From hkoopowi@uci.edu Fri Apr 15 07:45:32 2011 Message-Id: <201104151145.p3FBjTAq020973@xsmtp1.es.uci.edu> From: Harold Koopowitz Subject: Use of the word "Seedling" Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 04:45:34 -0700 I use it the same way for "unregistered" daffodil or orchid hybrids that I or some one else has grown from seed. Harold At 11:53 AM 4/14/2011, you wrote: >For me, my experience with "seedlings" comes from hybridizing irises. >Anything I've grown from seed, is a seedling... even if it is 15 years old >now and a massive clump of rhizomes in my garden. To other hybridizers (& >iris enthusiasts in general) the name "seedling" implies that I haven't >named, registered, or introduced this iris yet. > >Dennis in Cincinnati >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Fri Apr 15 17:52:26 2011 Message-Id: <20110415175222.28890@web005.roc2.bluetie.com> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: test Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 17:52:22 -0400 test From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Fri Apr 15 18:00:25 2011 Message-Id: <20110415180025.2389@web005.roc2.bluetie.com> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Nomenclature of Leucojum 'Gravetye Giant' was: Re: NOT - Leucojum aestivum cvs.? Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 18:00:25 -0400 The name 'Gravetye Giant' has been used in recent posts relating to the large-flowered form of Leucojum aestivum Older references give the name as 'Gravetye var.' I assume that these are the same plant, but why was the name changed? Is the reason that the original name included the word 'var', which invites confusion with the rank varietas of formal botanical taxomomy? And if so, does anyone know who made the change and when was it deemed official? Jim McKenney From brian.whyer@btinternet.com Fri Apr 15 19:10:31 2011 Message-Id: <493629.69212.qm@web86308.mail.ird.yahoo.com> From: Brian Whyer Subject: Nomenclature of Leucojum 'Gravetye Giant' was: Re: NOT - Leucojum aestivum cvs.? Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 00:10:29 +0100 (BST) Some time ago I mentioned this "form" to one of our major bulb suppliers. The reply was "is there any other form (in commerce)". If you Google it you will even find seed of it, complete with the RHS AGM. No doubt these should then be named "Leucojum aestivum 'Gravetye Giant' seedling". Maybe I should go and see it locally in the wild where it is called Loddon Lily. The Loddon is a tributary of the River Thames in Berkshire and Hampshire.   Brian Whyer, Buckinghamshire, England, zone ~8   The name 'Gravetye Giant' has been used in recent posts relating to the large-flowered form of Leucojum aestivum Older references give the name as 'Gravetye var.' I assume that these are the same plant, but why was the name changed? Is the reason that the original name included the word 'var', which invites confusion with the rank varietas of formal botanical taxomomy? And if so, does anyone know who made the change and when was it deemed official? Jim McKenney From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Fri Apr 15 19:41:42 2011 Message-Id: <20110415194141.22812@web004.roc2.bluetie.com> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Tulipa 'Fringed Beauty' Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 19:41:41 -0400 Can anyone help me with some information about the origin of the tulip 'Fringed Beauty'. I have a hunch it was already old when the Dutch growers started to officially register tulip varieties in the early 1930s. I'm assuming the present avatar has several others in its background going back to a typical six-petaled tulip. Can anyone fill in the names of these earlier forms? I don't have a copy of the tulip registry. If you would like to see what this looks like, take a look here: http://mcwort.blogspot.com/2011/04/tulipa-fringed-beauty.html Jim McKenney From Santoury@aol.com Fri Apr 15 20:21:11 2011 Message-Id: <8CDC9E3468E13FD-2374-1E742@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com> From: The Silent Seed Subject: Scilla paucei ? Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 20:20:50 -0400 I have some bulbs of S. paucei, and the only information available are some Asian websites which I can't read! There is no mention of this on the PBS website under Ledebouria, Scilla, Drimiopsis, etc. Help me figure out this enigmatic bulb. I have photos of them flowering right now, even though I know I cannot include them here. If it is just a really rare bulb, and the PBS does not have a photo or description of it yet, I'm happy to contribute my photos. Thanks, Jude ______________________________________________ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you want to receive my plant newsletters via email? santoury@aol.com The Silent Seed - Rare and Unusual Plants ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bulborum@gmail.com Sat Apr 16 01:42:53 2011 Message-Id: From: bulborum botanicum Subject: Tulipa 'Fringed Beauty' Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 07:42:51 +0200 Hello Jim they probably can help you here http://www.hortus-bulborum.nl/news/101-hortus-bulborum-in-limmen-gains-overseas-volunteer They have the largest collection of tulips in Holland Roland 2011/4/16 Jim McKenney > > Can anyone help me with some information about the origin of the tulip > 'Fringed Beauty'. > > -- R de Boer La Maugardiere 1 F 27260 EPAIGNES FRANCE Phone./Fax 0033-232-576-204 Email: bulborum@gmail.com From aaron_floden@yahoo.com Sat Apr 16 08:31:59 2011 Message-Id: <918961.26614.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: aaron floden Subject: Scilla paucei ? Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 05:31:57 -0700 (PDT) Jude,    I think they are intending Scilla paucifolia Baker (1875) which is synonymous with Ledebouria socialis according to current works. I believe the PBS-wiki has it as Ledebouria pauciflora which is just a mistake in the name. I am finding Baker was very keen in his naming of plants, nearly as good as J.K. Small and rare named things several times like Levielle.  Aaron --- On Sat, 4/16/11, The Silent Seed wrote: From: The Silent Seed Subject: [pbs] Scilla paucei ? To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 8:20 AM I have some bulbs of S. paucei, and the only information available are some Asian websites which I can't read! There is no mention of this on the PBS website under Ledebouria, Scilla, Drimiopsis, etc. Help me figure out this enigmatic bulb. I have photos of them flowering right now, even though I know I cannot include them here. If it is just a really rare bulb, and the PBS does not have a photo or description of it yet, I'm happy to contribute my photos. Thanks, Jude ______________________________________________ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you want to receive my plant newsletters via email? santoury@aol.com The Silent Seed - Rare and Unusual Plants ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From gmaculata@gmail.com Sat Apr 16 09:21:18 2011 Message-Id: From: Glen Lord Subject: Scilla paucei ? Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 09:21:15 -0400 Hello All, My only argument with lumping it in with L. socialis is that it does not have the same purple coloration so perhaps it would be better as a form or ssp of socialis... Just my two cents. Cheers, Glen On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 8:31 AM, aaron floden wrote: > Jude, > > I think they are intending Scilla paucifolia Baker (1875) which is > synonymous with Ledebouria socialis according to current works. I believe > the PBS-wiki has it as Ledebouria pauciflora which is just a mistake in the > name. I am finding Baker was very keen in his naming of plants, nearly as > good as J.K. Small and rare named things several times like Levielle. > > Aaron > > --- On Sat, 4/16/11, The Silent Seed wrote: > > From: The Silent Seed > Subject: [pbs] Scilla paucei ? > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 8:20 AM > > I have some bulbs of S. paucei, and the only information available are some > Asian websites which I can't read! There is no mention of this on the PBS > website under Ledebouria, Scilla, Drimiopsis, etc. > Help me figure out this enigmatic bulb. > I have photos of them flowering right now, even though I know I cannot > include them here. > If it is just a really rare bulb, and the PBS does not have a photo or > description of it yet, I'm happy to contribute my photos. > Thanks, Jude > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Do you want to receive my plant newsletters via email? > santoury@aol.com > The Silent Seed - Rare and Unusual Plants > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > -- Glen From Santoury@aol.com Sat Apr 16 10:49:55 2011 Message-Id: <8CDCA5CA7D524A9-1DD0-100D2@Webmail-d111.sysops.aol.com> From: The Silent Seed Subject: Scilla paucei ? Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 10:49:43 -0400 Hi all, This plant certainly is different from L. socialis. The leaves are different, the flowers are different. There is none of the purple coloration that Glen speaks of. The flowers and spike also are an uniform greenish white coloration. In the PBS website, this plant more closely resembles pauciflora, rather than socialis. Glen - do you think they are pauciflora? ______________________________________________ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you want to receive my plant newsletters via email? santoury@aol.com The Silent Seed - Rare and Unusual Plants ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Glen Lord To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:21 am Subject: Re: [pbs] Scilla paucei ? Hello All, My only argument with lumping it in with L. socialis is that it does not have the same purple coloration so perhaps it would be better as a form or ssp of socialis... Just my two cents. Cheers, Glen On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 8:31 AM, aaron floden wrote: > Jude, > > I think they are intending Scilla paucifolia Baker (1875) which is > synonymous with Ledebouria socialis according to current works. I believe > the PBS-wiki has it as Ledebouria pauciflora which is just a mistake in the > name. I am finding Baker was very keen in his naming of plants, nearly as > good as J.K. Small and rare named things several times like Levielle. > > Aaron > > --- On Sat, 4/16/11, The Silent Seed wrote: > > From: The Silent Seed > Subject: [pbs] Scilla paucei ? > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 8:20 AM > > I have some bulbs of S. paucei, and the only information available are some > Asian websites which I can't read! There is no mention of this on the PBS > website under Ledebouria, Scilla, Drimiopsis, etc. > Help me figure out this enigmatic bulb. > I have photos of them flowering right now, even though I know I cannot > include them here. > If it is just a really rare bulb, and the PBS does not have a photo or > description of it yet, I'm happy to contribute my photos. > Thanks, Jude > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Do you want to receive my plant newsletters via email? > santoury@aol.com > The Silent Seed - Rare and Unusual Plants > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > -- Glen _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From bulborum@gmail.com Sat Apr 16 11:52:08 2011 Message-Id: From: bulborum botanicum Subject: Scilla paucei ? Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 17:52:07 +0200 Hello jude Maybe you can show us a picture Roland 2011/4/16 The Silent Seed > > Hi all, > This plant certainly is different from L. socialis. The leaves are > different, the flowers are different. There is none of the purple coloration > that Glen speaks of. The flowers and spike also are an uniform greenish > white coloration. In the PBS website, this plant more closely resembles > pauciflora, rather than socialis. > Glen - do you think they are pauciflora? > > -- R de Boer La Maugardiere 1 F 27260 EPAIGNES FRANCE Phone./Fax 0033-232-576-204 Email: bulborum@gmail.com From Santoury@aol.com Sat Apr 16 16:31:43 2011 Message-Id: <8CDCA8C693B5055-1468-25173@webmail-d086.sysops.aol.com> From: The Silent Seed Subject: Scilla paucei ? Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 16:31:33 -0400 Hello I have pictures, but the PBS does not allow attached pictures ______________________________________________ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you want to receive my plant newsletters via email? santoury@aol.com The Silent Seed - Rare and Unusual Plants ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: bulborum botanicum To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:52 am Subject: Re: [pbs] Scilla paucei ? Hello jude Maybe you can show us a picture Roland 2011/4/16 The Silent Seed > > Hi all, > This plant certainly is different from L. socialis. The leaves are > different, the flowers are different. There is none of the purple coloration > that Glen speaks of. The flowers and spike also are an uniform greenish > white coloration. In the PBS website, this plant more closely resembles > pauciflora, rather than socialis. > Glen - do you think they are pauciflora? > > -- R de Boer La Maugardiere 1 F 27260 EPAIGNES FRANCE Phone./Fax 0033-232-576-204 Email: bulborum@gmail.com From joshy46013@yahoo.com Sat Apr 16 16:33:54 2011 Message-Id: <370979.34804.qm@web121709.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Josh Young Subject: Scilla paucei - Pictures Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 13:33:52 -0700 (PDT) You can link a photobucket or flickr account or you can upload to PBS :) ________________________________ From: The Silent Seed To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 4:31:33 PM Subject: Re: [pbs] Scilla paucei ? Hello I have pictures, but the PBS does not allow attached pictures ______________________________________________ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you want to receive my plant newsletters via email? santoury@aol.com The Silent Seed - Rare and Unusual Plants ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bulborum@gmail.com Sat Apr 16 17:14:30 2011 Message-Id: From: bulborum botanicum Subject: Scilla paucei ? Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 22:35:17 +0200 easy if you have picasa otherwise google Picasa 3 and instal Picasa 3 and upload picture if you dont know how just PM me Roland 2011/4/16 The Silent Seed > Hello > I have pictures, but the PBS does not allow attached pictures > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Do you want to receive my plant newsletters via email? > santoury@aol.com > The Silent Seed - Rare and Unusual Plants > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bulborum botanicum > To: Pacific Bulb Society > Sent: Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:52 am > Subject: Re: [pbs] Scilla paucei ? > > > Hello jude > > Maybe you can show us a picture > > Roland > > 2011/4/16 The Silent Seed > > > > > Hi all, > > This plant certainly is different from L. socialis. The leaves are > > different, the flowers are different. There is none of the purple > coloration > > that Glen speaks of. The flowers and spike also are an uniform greenish > > white coloration. In the PBS website, this plant more closely resembles > > pauciflora, rather than socialis. > > Glen - do you think they are pauciflora? > > > > > -- > R de Boer > La Maugardiere 1 > F 27260 EPAIGNES > FRANCE > > Phone./Fax 0033-232-576-204 > Email: bulborum@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > -- R de Boer La Maugardiere 1 F 27260 EPAIGNES FRANCE Phone./Fax 0033-232-576-204 Email: bulborum@gmail.com From aaron_floden@yahoo.com Sat Apr 16 19:39:00 2011 Message-Id: <1767.17846.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: aaron floden Subject: Scilla paucei ? Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 16:38:58 -0700 (PDT)  When you google Scilla pauciflora some of the images are L. violacea (=socialis), L. paucifolia (not pauciflora), and Drimiopsis burkei and D. maculata.  Are the flowers sessile vs. pedicillate, tepals all equal vs. dimorphic, ovary stipitate vs sessile, etc.... That should provide the genus, from there it should be simple.  As far as lumping it (L. paucifolia) with L. socialis it seems more distinct in leaf shape, bulb shape, and inflorescence characters. The few clones of L. socialis in cultivation all differ in maculation and presence of anthocyanic pigmentation. Like many plants they surely differ within and between populations.  Aaron  Knoxville, Tennessee --- On Sat, 4/16/11, The Silent Seed wrote: From: The Silent Seed Subject: Re: [pbs] Scilla paucei ? To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 10:49 PM Hi all, This plant certainly is different from L. socialis. The leaves are different, the flowers are different. There is none of the purple coloration that Glen speaks of. The flowers and spike also are an uniform greenish white coloration. In the PBS website, this plant more closely resembles pauciflora, rather than socialis. Glen - do you think they are pauciflora? ______________________________________________ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you want to receive my plant newsletters via email? santoury@aol.com The Silent Seed - Rare and Unusual Plants ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Glen Lord To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:21 am Subject: Re: [pbs] Scilla paucei ? Hello All, My only argument with lumping it in with L. socialis is that it does not have the same purple coloration so perhaps it would be better as a form or ssp of socialis... Just my two cents. Cheers, Glen On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 8:31 AM, aaron floden wrote: > Jude, > >  I think they are intending Scilla paucifolia Baker (1875) which is > synonymous with Ledebouria socialis according to current works. I believe > the PBS-wiki has it as Ledebouria pauciflora which is just a mistake in the > name. I am finding Baker was very keen in his naming of plants, nearly as > good as J.K. Small and rare named things several times like Levielle. > >  Aaron > > --- On Sat, 4/16/11, The Silent Seed wrote: > > From: The Silent Seed > Subject: [pbs] Scilla paucei ? > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 8:20 AM > > I have some bulbs of S. paucei, and the only information available are some > Asian websites which I can't read! There is no mention of this on the PBS > website under Ledebouria, Scilla, Drimiopsis, etc. > Help me figure out this enigmatic bulb. > I have photos of them flowering right now, even though I know I cannot > include them here. > If it is just a really rare bulb, and the PBS does not have a photo or > description of it yet, I'm happy to contribute my photos. > Thanks, Jude > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Do you want to receive my plant newsletters via email? > santoury@aol.com > The Silent Seed - Rare and Unusual Plants > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > -- Glen _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Sun Apr 17 11:53:15 2011 Message-Id: <20110417115314.28823@web003.roc2.bluetie.com> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Leucojum aestivum flower size comparison Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 11:53:14 -0400 I took some photos of three Leucojum aestivum this morning. They give an idea of the size range seen in this species. None of the material came with trustworthy names, so you can decide for yourself what's what. You can see them here: http://mcwort.blogspot.com/2011/04/lodden-lilies.html Jim McKenney From hornig@earthlink.net Sun Apr 17 12:32:22 2011 Message-Id: <18687991.1303057941673.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> From: Ellen Hornig Subject: Leucojum aestivum flower size comparison Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 12:32:21 -0400 (GMT-04:00) I'm interested to see that Jim states in his blog (see link below) that L. aestivum doesn't "jump the garden fence" often. There are huge drifts of it gone wild along the Oswego River north of the town of Fulton, old enough and well-enough known to be mentioned in floras I have read (unfortunately I'm traveling now and can't track down a reference). They tend to grow in low-lying seasonally flooded byways behind the banks of the river. Now that I've seen Jim's photos of variations in flower size, I intend to visit some of those colonies when they bloom and see if I can find anything interesting. Ellen -----Original Message----- >From: Jim McKenney >Sent: Apr 17, 2011 11:53 AM >To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >Subject: [pbs] Leucojum aestivum flower size comparison > >I took some photos of three Leucojum aestivum this morning. They give an idea of the size range seen in this species. None of the material came with trustworthy names, so you can decide for yourself what's what. You can see them here: > >http://mcwort.blogspot.com/2011/04/lodden-lilies.html > >Jim McKenney Ellen Hornig 3712 Co. Rt. 57 Oswego NY 13126 Phone: 315-342-5573 From ds429@comcast.net Sun Apr 17 12:47:47 2011 Message-Id: <000001cbfd1f$353636b0$9fa2a410$@net> From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: Pacific BX 272 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 12:47:56 -0400 Dear All, The items listed below have been donated by our members to be shared. If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at . Include "BX 271" in the subject line. Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money (usually $2.00/item) (cash, check, or Pay Pal to ; no money orders, please) you should send the PBS treasurer to defray our costs for packing and first-class, priority-mail, or international postage. PLEASE NOTE: CURRENT POSTAL-RATE SCHEMES NECESSITATE OUR PLACING A SURCHARGE ON EACH ORDER FROM PBS BX OFFERINGS. Some of you are members of the online PBS discussion forum but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO MEMBERS OF THE PBS. Consider joining the PBS so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org .... If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: Dell Sherk 6832 Phillips Mill Rd. New Hope, PA, 18938 USA Non US donors should contact me for instructions before sending seeds. I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! From Mary Sue Ittner: BULBS: 1. Oxalis sp. from Uli -- collected in Oaxaca, Mexico. It is summer growing and blooming. 2. Oxalis triangularis- Although I used to grow this outside in summer, I have lately been growing it in a pot in a bathroom (with a window and a skylight so there is indirect light) and it stays in growth as long as I water it and blooms off and on all year. I let it dry out however so I could share some of the bulbs with others. It has purple leaves and light pink flowers and very strange bulbs. 3. Rhodohypoxis baurii var. platypetala -- originally from some BX, these are white with a pink tinge, summer growing. 4. Zantedeschia 'Blaze' -bright orange flowers and green leaves with white spots, summer growing. From Ellen Hornig: 5. Seed of Zantedeschia jucunda (donated by Uli Urban) CORMS/TUBERS: 6. Typhonium diversifolium (according to Wilbert Hetterscheid, will become Sauromatum diversifolium) - from seed collected at 3200m on Garwhal Himal in India -very variable foliage, little green or sometimes purplish spathes 7. Gladiolus crassifolius 8. Gladiolus mortonius 9. Tritonia drakensbergensis 10. Tigridia pavonia 'Sunset in Oz' - my own intro, years ago; a form with "flame" coloring, streaks and shades of red on marigold, rather than flat marigold 11. 2-yr-old Cyrtanthus breviflorus bulbs, grown from seed I collected near Semonkong in Lesotho Thank you, Mary Sue and Ellen !! Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX From ksa2006@verizon.net Sun Apr 17 16:11:38 2011 Message-Id: <000001cbfd33$3bc29b40$b347d1c0$@net> From: "Kathryn Andersen" Subject: Pacific BX 272 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 15:11:18 -0400 Hi Dell, If still available I would be interested in the following: 4. Zantedeschia 'Blaze' 6. Typhonium diversifolium 11. 2-yr-old Cyrtanthus breviflorus Many thanks, Kathy ksa2006@verizon.net Kathryn S. Andersen 2565 Charlestown Road Phoenixville, PA 19460 610-933-1855 -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Dell Sherk Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 12:48 PM To: 'Pacific Bulb Society'; 'Roger Macfarlane'; 'Mark Wilcox' Subject: [pbs] Pacific BX 272 Dear All, The items listed below have been donated by our members to be shared. If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at . Include "BX 271" in the subject line. Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money (usually $2.00/item) (cash, check, or Pay Pal to ; no money orders, please) you should send the PBS treasurer to defray our costs for packing and first-class, priority-mail, or international postage. PLEASE NOTE: CURRENT POSTAL-RATE SCHEMES NECESSITATE OUR PLACING A SURCHARGE ON EACH ORDER FROM PBS BX OFFERINGS. Some of you are members of the online PBS discussion forum but are not members of the Pacific Bulb Society. THIS BX OFFERING IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO MEMBERS OF THE PBS. Consider joining the PBS so that you can take advantage of future offers such as this. Go to our website: http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org .... If you would like to donate seeds or bulbs/corms to the PBS,(Donors will receive credit on the BX for the cost of postage for their donations.), please send CLEAN, clearly labeled plant materials to: Dell Sherk 6832 Phillips Mill Rd. New Hope, PA, 18938 USA Non US donors should contact me for instructions before sending seeds. I WILL REPLY TO YOU WITHIN 24 HRS OF MY RECEIPT OF YOUR ORDER. IF YOU DO NOT HEAR FROM ME, TRY AGAIN !! From Mary Sue Ittner: BULBS: 1. Oxalis sp. from Uli -- collected in Oaxaca, Mexico. It is summer growing and blooming. 2. Oxalis triangularis- Although I used to grow this outside in summer, I have lately been growing it in a pot in a bathroom (with a window and a skylight so there is indirect light) and it stays in growth as long as I water it and blooms off and on all year. I let it dry out however so I could share some of the bulbs with others. It has purple leaves and light pink flowers and very strange bulbs. 3. Rhodohypoxis baurii var. platypetala -- originally from some BX, these are white with a pink tinge, summer growing. 4. Zantedeschia 'Blaze' -bright orange flowers and green leaves with white spots, summer growing. From Ellen Hornig: 5. Seed of Zantedeschia jucunda (donated by Uli Urban) CORMS/TUBERS: 6. Typhonium diversifolium (according to Wilbert Hetterscheid, will become Sauromatum diversifolium) - from seed collected at 3200m on Garwhal Himal in India -very variable foliage, little green or sometimes purplish spathes 7. Gladiolus crassifolius 8. Gladiolus mortonius 9. Tritonia drakensbergensis 10. Tigridia pavonia 'Sunset in Oz' - my own intro, years ago; a form with "flame" coloring, streaks and shades of red on marigold, rather than flat marigold 11. 2-yr-old Cyrtanthus breviflorus bulbs, grown from seed I collected near Semonkong in Lesotho Thank you, Mary Sue and Ellen !! Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX From ds429@comcast.net Sun Apr 17 17:49:42 2011 Message-Id: <156427376.21546.1303076981881.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> From: ds429@comcast.net Subject: About BX 272 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 21:49:41 +0000 (UTC) Dear All, I allowed a computer mess-up to escape my proofreading of the latest BX offering. Items #'s 6 through 11 were donated by Ellen Hornig.  Thank you Ellen. Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Mon Apr 18 09:13:12 2011 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: Leucojum aestivum comparisons Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 21:48:27 -0500 >I'm interested to see that Jim states in his blog (see link below) >that L. aestivum doesn't "jump the garden fence" often. There are >huge drifts of it gone wild along the Oswego River north of the town >of Fulton, old enough and well-enough known to be mentioned in >floras I have read (unfortunately I'm traveling now and can't track >down a reference). They tend to grow in low-lying seasonally >flooded byways behind the banks of the river. Dear PBSers, No one has mentioned John Grimshaw's excellent article 'Variation in Leucojum aestivum' in the Plantsman, Mar '08. John gives a review of the history of 'Gravetye Giant' and other variations. Enlightening reading. I agree with Ellen's comments. Even in my dry garden L. aestivum readily sets seeds and moves around the garden. Furthermore seedlings vary in flower size and number. I have a clump labelled 'Gravetye Giant' and I honestly cannot see any major differences, but seeing as its preference seems to be much wetter sites than mine, I suspect all growth is diminished to some extent. John shows a lovely photo of the species growing lushly submerged in water although this may be seasonal. If prefers damp habitats. John also gives evidence of bulbs sold with a mixture of cultivars under a single name. What a surprise. Even in a garden that might be a challenge to express full vigor, I find it easy and charming. Best Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + From agoston.janos123@gmail.com Mon Apr 18 02:04:09 2011 Message-Id: From: "J. Agoston" Subject: Tulipa 'Fringed Beauty' Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 08:04:09 +0200 I could find this: it was bred in 1926, it is a sport of Titian. I try to look it up in my Classified list, i just have to find it... From j.grimshaw@virgin.net Mon Apr 18 02:53:48 2011 Message-Id: <00af01cbfd91$772834c0$2201a8c0@MAINPC> From: "John Grimshaw" Subject: Nomenclature of Leucojum 'Gravetye Giant' was: Re: NOT -Leucojum aestivum cvs.? Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 07:25:51 +0100 I wrote an extensive article on variation in and cultivars of Leucojum aestivum in 'The Plantsman', March 2008, and another on L. vernum, March 2007. I can send pdfs of these articles to anyone interested. I cannot understand why this excellent publication is not being read by more people would call themselves plantsmen. There is no other journal, anywhere, that covers such a diversity of topics with articles by the most competent authors: I read it from cover to cover the day it arrives. Yet its circulation is only 2500 worldwide, which is pathetic. More is available on the RHS website, with some sample articles, at: http://www.rhs.org.uk/Plants/RHS-Publications/Journals/The-Plantsman Online subscriptions are available! John Grimshaw Visit John Grimshaw's Garden Diary http://johngrimshawsgardendiary.blogspot.com/ Dr. John M. Grimshaw Sycamore Cottage Colesbourne Cheltenham Gloucestershire GL53 9NP Tel. 01242 870567 From bulborum@gmail.com Mon Apr 18 03:07:21 2011 Message-Id: From: bulborum botanicum Subject: Nomenclature of Leucojum 'Gravetye Giant' was: Re: NOT -Leucojum aestivum cvs.? Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 09:07:20 +0200 "I cannot understand why this excellent publication is not being read by more" The answer is easy 4 volumes UK: £29. Overseas: £43 and most volumes don't talk about bulbs at all I buy old issues for a reasonable price but I would love to read your article Roland 2011/4/18 John Grimshaw : > I wrote an extensive article on variation in and cultivars of Leucojum > aestivum in 'The Plantsman', March 2008, and another on L. vernum, March > 2007. I can send pdfs of these articles to anyone interested. -- R de Boer La Maugardiere 1 F 27260 EPAIGNES FRANCE Phone./Fax 0033-232-576-204 Email:   bulborum@gmail.com From klazina1@gmail.com Mon Apr 18 04:26:22 2011 Message-Id: <4DABEBA1.6000902@gmail.com> From: Ina Crossley Subject: welcome pack Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:43:29 +1200 Thank you very much for the welcome pack, it arrived safely last Friday. I enjoyed the magazines and it is helpful to have a members list. Thank you Ina Crossley Auckland New Zealand, where we have the first really cold day, at least it is for Auckland, with a biting wind and sudden cloud bursts. From arnold140@verizon.net Mon Apr 18 06:22:54 2011 Message-Id: <88234966.2544611.1303122159919.JavaMail.root@vznit170136> From: arnold140@verizon.net Subject: welcome pack Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 05:22:39 -0500 (CDT) Ina: Thanks for taking the time to write the kind note. Arnold PBS Treasurer. Apr 18, 2011 04:26:42 AM, pbs@lists.ibiblio.org wrote: Thank you very much for the welcome pack, it arrived safely last Friday. I enjoyed the magazines and it is helpful to have a members list. Thank you Ina Crossley Auckland New Zealand, where we have the first really cold day, at least it is for Auckland, with a biting wind and sudden cloud bursts. From ds429@comcast.net Mon Apr 18 07:04:29 2011 Message-Id: <607360670.38814.1303124669515.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> From: ds429@comcast.net Subject: Pacific BX 272 CLOSED Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 11:04:29 +0000 (UTC) All Gone! Packages should go out towards the end of the week. Enjoy, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX From aaron_floden@yahoo.com Mon Apr 18 07:08:29 2011 Message-Id: <629284.47994.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: aaron floden Subject: Leucojum aestivum flower size comparison Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 04:08:27 -0700 (PDT)  I'll second Ellens observation as there is an area near Beaver, Arkansas where there must be at least an acre of Leucojum growing along the river there. I've also seen a small area in the Coastal Plain of Alabama where it was growing with Trillium decipiens.  I am sure I could check the herbarium when I head in and find more sites.  Aaron  Knoxville, Tennessee   --- On Mon, 4/18/11, Ellen Hornig wrote: From: Ellen Hornig Subject: Re: [pbs] Leucojum aestivum flower size comparison To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 12:32 AM I'm interested to see that Jim states in his blog (see link below) that L. aestivum doesn't "jump the garden fence" often.  There are huge drifts of it gone wild along the Oswego River north of the town of Fulton, old enough and well-enough known to be mentioned in floras I have read (unfortunately I'm traveling now and can't track down a reference).  They tend to grow in low-lying seasonally flooded byways behind the banks of the river. From hkoopowi@uci.edu Mon Apr 18 11:03:58 2011 Message-Id: <201104181503.p3IF3tI5018494@xsmtp1.es.uci.edu> From: Harold Koopowitz Subject: Nomenclature of Leucojum 'Gravetye Giant' was: Re: NOT -Leucojum aestivum cvs.? Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 08:03:54 -0700 Hi John: Could you send me the pdfs, thanks Harold At 11:25 PM 4/17/2011, you wrote: >I wrote an extensive article on variation in and cultivars of Leucojum >aestivum in 'The Plantsman', March 2008, and another on L. vernum, March >2007. I can send pdfs of these articles to anyone interested. > >I cannot understand why this excellent publication is not being read by more >people would call themselves plantsmen. There is no other journal, anywhere, >that covers such a diversity of topics with articles by the most competent >authors: I read it from cover to cover the day it arrives. Yet its >circulation is only 2500 worldwide, which is pathetic. More is available on >the RHS website, with some sample articles, at: > >http://www.rhs.org.uk/Plants/RHS-Publications/Journals/The-Plantsman > >Online subscriptions are available! > >John Grimshaw > >Visit John Grimshaw's Garden Diary >http://johngrimshawsgardendiary.blogspot.com/ > >Dr. John M. Grimshaw >Sycamore Cottage >Colesbourne >Cheltenham >Gloucestershire >GL53 9NP > >Tel. 01242 870567 > > >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From jgglatt@gmail.com Mon Apr 18 11:48:01 2011 Message-Id: <4DAC5D34.1030806@gmail.com> From: Judy Glattstein Subject: Fringed Tulips Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 11:48:04 -0400 My copy of the 1996 edition of the classified list & international register of tulip names lists 'Fringed Beauty' as a sport of 'Titian' and 'Titian' is in the double early group so 'Fringed Beauty' is that rarity among fringed tulips - a double.. 'Fringed Beauty' received the AM-KAVB in 1931. No mention of its date of introduction but introduction and award(s) seem to coincide. 'Apeldoorn' sported and produced 'Fringed Apeldorn' introduced in 1971, which year it received TGA-KAVB. In turn, 'Fringed Apeldorn' sported and produced 'Fringed Solstice' in 1989. 'Jewel of Spring' sported and resulted in 'Fringed Elegance' introduced in 1974 which received both TGA-KAVB and AM-KAVB that same year. There's also 'Fringed Family', in many cases multiflowered, introduced in 1994; 'Fringed Golden Apeldorn' - care to guess what it is a sport of?; 'Fringed Lilac' and more than a page of other fringed cultivars. Don't have time to check out all of them, but those I did look up - starting with 'Aleppo' and skipping to 'Wendy' - seem to mostly have been introduced mid twentieth century. Judy in rather soggy New Jersey, where 2.55 inches of rain over Saturday / Saturday night has left the clay soil in my garden somewhat squishy in places From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Mon Apr 18 12:25:41 2011 Message-Id: <20110418122540.32698@web004.roc2.bluetie.com> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Fringed Tulips Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 12:25:40 -0400 Thanks for that response, Judy. Janos also responded, privately, with some of the same information. I already knew that 'Fringed Beauty' was a sport of 'Titan', but what I learned from Judy's response is that 'Titan' was a double early tulip. That answers part of what I was wondering about: which came first among the avatars of this variable clone, the doubling or the fringing (I'm assuming that 'Titan' was not fringed). Here's what I'm still wondering about: it's unlikely that the seed from which this variable clone was raised produced a double flower when it first bloomed. In other words, the original seedling was probably a six-petaled tulip, presumably a member of the single early group. If that is true, I would like to learn the name of this tulip, too. So here's my hypothesis for reconstructing the history of this variable clone: a seed germinated, produced a tulip plant which eventually bloomed as a six-petaled tulip, most likely a member of the single early group. That was avatar one, and I would like to know the name of that tulip. Eventually a plant of the six-petaled tulip sported into a double flowered tulip. That is avatar two, which was known as 'Titan'. Then a plant of 'Titan' sported into a fringed form, the avatar we know as 'Fringed Beauty'. I hope someone will be able to come up with the name of that original tulip. I've used the word avatar (in the sense of "manifestation") to describe these nominally distinct manifestations of a variable clone. The concept it introduces to this discussion is, it seems to me, a much better representation of what is happening in variable clones than the widespread practice of treating each seemingly distinct mutation as a separate clone. The latter usage violates the original meaning of the word clone; the use of the term avatar preserves it. Jim McKenney From Santoury@aol.com Mon Apr 18 13:34:35 2011 Message-Id: <8CDCC059A736CAC-990-605C7@webmail-d141.sysops.aol.com> From: The Silent Seed Subject: Scilla paucei pics ? Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 13:31:36 -0400 Thanks to all of you who have responded. Pity I can't just attach a photo here. I'm going to ATTEMPT to get one up on Wiki or something, but maybe one of you could help me get one up there in the meantime so that we can all figure out what these things are. I can't imagine why ANYBODY would clump this with L. socialis/violacea. Thanks Jude ______________________________________________ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you want to receive my plant newsletters via email? santoury@aol.com The Silent Seed - Rare and Unusual Plants ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bulborum@gmail.com Mon Apr 18 13:58:52 2011 Message-Id: From: bulborum botanicum Subject: Scilla paucei pics ? Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:58:51 +0200 just sent it to me Roland 2011/4/18 The Silent Seed > > Thanks to all of you who have responded. Pity I can't just attach a photo > here. > I'm going to ATTEMPT to get one up on Wiki or something, but maybe one of > you could help me get one up there in the meantime so that we can all figure > out what these things are. I can't imagine why ANYBODY would clump this with > L. socialis/violacea. > Thanks Jude > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Do you want to receive my plant newsletters via email? > santoury@aol.com > The Silent Seed - Rare and Unusual Plants > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > -- R de Boer La Maugardiere 1 F 27260 EPAIGNES FRANCE Phone./Fax 0033-232-576-204 Email: bulborum@gmail.com From bulborum@gmail.com Mon Apr 18 16:26:04 2011 Message-Id: From: bulborum botanicum Subject: Scilla paucei pics ? Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 22:26:03 +0200 Here the picture from Jude from the Ledebouria https://picasaweb.google.com/bulborum/ScillaPauceiJude#5597020014183937330 Roland 2011/4/18 The Silent Seed > > Thanks to all of you who have responded. Pity I can't just attach a photo > here. > I'm going to ATTEMPT to get one up on Wiki or something, but maybe one of > you could help me get one up there in the meantime so that we can all figure > out what these things are. I can't imagine why ANYBODY would clump this with > L. socialis/violacea. > Thanks Jude > > -- R de Boer La Maugardiere 1 F 27260 EPAIGNES FRANCE Phone./Fax 0033-232-576-204 Email: bulborum@gmail.com From totototo@telus.net Mon Apr 18 16:30:47 2011 Message-Id: <4DAC3CB5.2127.39C0@localhost> From: totototo@telus.net Subject: Nomenclature of Leucojum 'Gravetye Giant' was: Re: NOT -Leucojum aestivum cvs.? Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 13:29:25 -0700 On 18 Apr 2011, at 7:25, John Grimshaw wrote: > I cannot understand why this excellent publication is not being read by more > people would call themselves plantsmen. In one word: expense. I subscribed to The Plantsman for a decade, but when it became The New Plantsman I reviewed the cost of a subscription and decided that the cost outweighed the value of the contents - and did not renew. -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada From pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org Wed Sep 14 23:45:25 2011 Message-Id: From: dave s Subject: Scilla paucei pics ? Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 16:35:42 -0400 Sure looks like paucifolia to me, which means it looks like Ledebouria socialis. That elongated bulb is something I see from my socialis in low light - it almost becomes a succulent stem. - Dave On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 4:26 PM, bulborum botanicum wrote: > Here the picture from Jude > from the Ledebouria > > https://picasaweb.google.com/bulborum/ScillaPauceiJude#5597020014183937330 > > Roland > > > > > 2011/4/18 The Silent Seed > > > > > Thanks to all of you who have responded. Pity I can't just attach a > photo > > here. > > I'm going to ATTEMPT to get one up on Wiki or something, but maybe one of > > you could help me get one up there in the meantime so that we can all > figure > > out what these things are. I can't imagine why ANYBODY would clump this > with > > L. socialis/violacea. > > Thanks Jude > > > > -- > R de Boer > La Maugardiere 1 > F 27260 EPAIGNES > FRANCE > > Phone./Fax 0033-232-576-204 > Email: bulborum@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org Wed Sep 14 23:45:25 2011 Message-Id: From: dave s Subject: Scilla paucei pics ? Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 16:36:11 -0400 Sure looks like paucifolia to me, which means it looks like Ledebouria socialis. That elongated bulb is something I see from my socialis in low light - it almost becomes a succulent stem. - Dave On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 4:26 PM, bulborum botanicum wrote: > Here the picture from Jude > from the Ledebouria > > https://picasaweb.google.com/bulborum/ScillaPauceiJude#5597020014183937330 > > Roland > > > > > 2011/4/18 The Silent Seed > > > > > Thanks to all of you who have responded. Pity I can't just attach a > photo > > here. > > I'm going to ATTEMPT to get one up on Wiki or something, but maybe one of > > you could help me get one up there in the meantime so that we can all > figure > > out what these things are. I can't imagine why ANYBODY would clump this > with > > L. socialis/violacea. > > Thanks Jude > > > > -- > R de Boer > La Maugardiere 1 > F 27260 EPAIGNES > FRANCE > > Phone./Fax 0033-232-576-204 > Email: bulborum@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org Wed Sep 14 23:45:25 2011 Message-Id: From: dave s Subject: Scilla paucei pics ? Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 16:36:37 -0400 Nice big plant by the way. - Dave On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 4:36 PM, dave s wrote: > Sure looks like paucifolia to me, which means it looks like Ledebouria > socialis. That elongated bulb is something I see from my socialis in low > light - it almost becomes a succulent stem. > > - Dave > > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 4:26 PM, bulborum botanicum wrote: > >> Here the picture from Jude >> from the Ledebouria >> >> https://picasaweb.google.com/bulborum/ScillaPauceiJude#5597020014183937330 >> >> Roland >> >> >> >> >> 2011/4/18 The Silent Seed >> >> > >> > Thanks to all of you who have responded. Pity I can't just attach a >> photo >> > here. >> > I'm going to ATTEMPT to get one up on Wiki or something, but maybe one >> of >> > you could help me get one up there in the meantime so that we can all >> figure >> > out what these things are. I can't imagine why ANYBODY would clump this >> with >> > L. socialis/violacea. >> > Thanks Jude >> > >> > -- >> R de Boer >> La Maugardiere 1 >> F 27260 EPAIGNES >> FRANCE >> >> Phone./Fax 0033-232-576-204 >> Email: bulborum@gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> > > From Santoury@aol.com Mon Apr 18 16:37:13 2011 Message-Id: <8CDCC1F7ABA8665-990-64A56@webmail-d141.sysops.aol.com> From: The Silent Seed Subject: Scilla paucei pics ? Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 16:36:50 -0400 Roland, I wanted to express my appreciation for your help in getting the picture up. Hopefully you will be able to see the flowers clearly enough - Low tech picture here with "photobooth" here on a Mac! The small leaf, in the lower front, showing the distinct speckling, is pretty close to what a normal leaf looks like. The big, long, floppy ones up high by the flowers, are not how they usually look. Best, Jude ______________________________________________ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you want to receive my plant newsletters via email? santoury@aol.com The Silent Seed - Rare and Unusual Plants ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: bulborum botanicum To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Mon, Apr 18, 2011 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [pbs] Scilla paucei pics ? Here the picture from Jude from the Ledebouria https://picasaweb.google.com/bulborum/ScillaPauceiJude#5597020014183937330 Roland 2011/4/18 The Silent Seed > > Thanks to all of you who have responded. Pity I can't just attach a photo > here. > I'm going to ATTEMPT to get one up on Wiki or something, but maybe one of > you could help me get one up there in the meantime so that we can all figure > out what these things are. I can't imagine why ANYBODY would clump this with > L. socialis/violacea. > Thanks Jude > > -- R de Boer La Maugardiere 1 F 27260 EPAIGNES FRANCE Phone./Fax 0033-232-576-204 Email: bulborum@gmail.com _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com Mon Apr 18 17:03:34 2011 Message-Id: From: Alberto Castillo Subject: Scilla paucei pics ? Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 21:03:32 +0000 Jude, I do not want to receive your CATALOGUE nor want to see it in the PBS discussion forum. It has been explained many times that the condition for PBS being hosted by ibiblio is that it remains an educational resource without commercial involvements. The PBS staff past and present work for free donating a lot of time and effort. If they never attempt to obtain any profit there is no reason why others would. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Do you want to receive my plant newsletters via email? > santoury@aol.com > The Silent Seed - Rare and Unusual Plants > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From aaron_floden@yahoo.com Mon Apr 18 18:45:36 2011 Message-Id: <398844.36716.qm@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: aaron floden Subject: Scilla paucei pics ? = L. socialis Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:45:35 -0700 (PDT) This form of Ledebouria socialis is frequently sold/offered under the names luteo-socialis, pauciflora, and under some Scilla names. I have also seen it as Drimiopsis burkei. The correct name is L. pauciFOLIA not -flora. Baker did not specify how it differed from L. socialis described in the same paper. Both were from the "Cape Colony." But, reading through the descriptions the number of leaves and number of flowers per inflorescence differs, slightly. For a name call it L. socialis -- broad leaved form. The variation in this very widespread eastern South African species needs work, but the range in variation is not likely quantitatively significant. Aaron  Knoxville, Tennessee, but not from here. --- On Tue, 4/19/11, bulborum botanicum wrote: From: bulborum botanicum Subject: Re: [pbs] Scilla paucei pics ? To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Date: Tuesday, April 19, 2011, 4:26 AM Here the picture from Jude from the Ledebouria https://picasaweb.google.com/bulborum/ScillaPauceiJude#5597020014183937330 Roland From Santoury@aol.com Mon Apr 18 18:51:01 2011 Message-Id: <8CDCC321FD826BD-1334-53C5D@webmail-m134.sysops.aol.com> From: The Silent Seed Subject: Scilla paucei pics ? = L. socialis Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 18:50:18 -0400 Thanks Aaron for your input! Should I, then, be calling this plant L. paucifolia, or even L. socialis paucifolia? I just want to make sure that when I trade, or even offer these bulbs, to the PBS, or members, I use the correct name. I just have an issue with the fact that regular L. socialis is vastly different, color-wise, and shape-wise (leaves.) I don't mean to open, or maintain, a can of worms here - just want to educate myself. Best, Jude ______________________________________________ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you want to receive my plant newsletters via email? santoury@aol.com The Silent Seed - Rare and Unusual Plants ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: aaron floden To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Mon, Apr 18, 2011 6:45 pm Subject: Re: [pbs] Scilla paucei pics ? = L. socialis This form of Ledebouria socialis is frequently sold/offered under the names luteo-socialis, pauciflora, and under some Scilla names. I have also seen it as Drimiopsis burkei. The correct name is L. pauciFOLIA not -flora. Baker did not specify how it differed from L. socialis described in the same paper. Both were from the "Cape Colony." But, reading through the descriptions the number of leaves and number of flowers per inflorescence differs, slightly. For a name call it L. socialis -- broad leaved form. The variation in this very widespread eastern South African species needs work, but the range in variation is not likely quantitatively significant. Aaron Knoxville, Tennessee, but not from here. --- On Tue, 4/19/11, bulborum botanicum wrote: From: bulborum botanicum Subject: Re: [pbs] Scilla paucei pics ? To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Date: Tuesday, April 19, 2011, 4:26 AM Here the picture from Jude from the Ledebouria https://picasaweb.google.com/bulborum/ScillaPauceiJude#5597020014183937330 Roland _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki = From xerantheum@gmail.com Mon Apr 18 19:36:54 2011 Message-Id: From: Nhu Nguyen Subject: Scilla paucei pics ? = L. socialis Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 16:36:52 -0700 Hi everyone, There is certainly much confusion with this plant. I just made a quick Google search and found a plant that has beautiful leaves and flowers that look exactly like what we have come to know as L. socialis *except* that it lacks any purple coloring. Take a look at the link below and you can perhaps see into the past where Baker studied a plant similar to this one. So with that, I think the synonomy of this particular plant and L. socialis is pretty certain. http://www.cactus-art.biz/schede/LEDEBOURIA/Ledebouria_pauciflora/Ledebouria_pauciflora/Ledobouria_pauciflora.htm However, most of the plants out there, including Jude's plant do not have leaves that look like this at all. They are ovate and have faint minute markings. They a much slower growing plant as well, despite the ability to produce lots of offsets. I remember when I broke a leaf on my plant. It took months before the leaf was replaced. However, all of this does not mean that it can't just be another form of L. socialis. The Ledebouria-Scilla-Resnova-Drimiopsis group is a big mess and until someone works out the details, we will have to try and stick to the most correct name we know of. Both of the names "L. pauciflora" AND "L. paucifolia" are applied to this plant when doing a web search. The problem is that both of these names are not valid under any plant list, even the most comprehensive of them: http://www.theplantlist.org/. A Google search for L. pauciflora brings up 14,500 hits whereas L. paucifolia only brings up 2,640 hits. The entry on the PBS wiki is meant to catch the most searches. There is no synonym on the page so I'll add it to that page. And lastly, Jude, the name "L. paucei" also does not exist in any database. Nhu On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 3:45 PM, aaron floden wrote: > This form of Ledebouria socialis is frequently sold/offered under the names > luteo-socialis, pauciflora, and under some Scilla names. I have also seen it > as Drimiopsis burkei. The correct name is L. pauciFOLIA not -flora. Baker > did not specify how it differed from L. socialis described in the same > paper. Both were from the "Cape Colony." But, reading through the > descriptions the number of leaves and number of flowers per inflorescence > differs, slightly. For a name call it L. socialis -- broad leaved form. The > variation in this very widespread eastern South African species needs work, > but the range in variation is not likely quantitatively significant. > > Aaron > > From kjweisner@comcast.net Mon Apr 18 20:27:06 2011 Message-Id: <99431118.2808633.1303172823975.JavaMail.root@sz0095a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> From: kjweisner@comcast.net Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 99, Issue 23 Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 00:27:03 +0000 (UTC) Evening..I have a friend who would like to find a chocolate fritillary......Any ideas? Thanks, Lisa Weisner From Santoury@aol.com Mon Apr 18 20:32:18 2011 Message-Id: <8CDCC405697DF2E-1028-4646B@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> From: The Silent Seed Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 99, Issue 23 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:32:03 -0400 I'm not sure if he has some - but Odyssey Bulbs here in Mass, might be a good place to try. He has some rare Frit's. He is not yet shipping, but I live close by, and would be happy to facilitate this and ship for you. Best, Jude ______________________________________________ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you want to receive my plant newsletters via email? santoury@aol.com The Silent Seed - Rare and Unusual Plants ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: kjweisner@comcast.net To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Sent: Mon, Apr 18, 2011 8:27 pm Subject: Re: [pbs] pbs Digest, Vol 99, Issue 23 Evening..I have a friend who would like to find a chocolate fritillary......Any ideas? Thanks, Lisa Weisner From totototo@telus.net Mon Apr 18 23:59:01 2011 Message-Id: <4DACA60E.5410.2F35@localhost> From: totototo@telus.net Subject: Fringed Tulips Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:58:54 -0700 On 18 Apr 2011, at 12:25, Jim McKenney wrote: > 'Titan' Was it not 'Titian', after the famous painter? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titian -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada From aaron_floden@yahoo.com Tue Apr 19 07:16:28 2011 Message-Id: <533648.19210.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: aaron floden Subject: Scilla paucei pics ? = L. socialis Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 04:16:26 -0700 (PDT)  It would seem the combination Ledebouria paucifolia has never been made even though Baker described these new Scilla as "Scilla [Ledebouria] spp", knowing that they all fit within the Ledebouria section of Scilla at the time (1875).  I also meant to mention that the type of Scilla paucifolia is clearly the more ovate leaved L. socialis in cultivation, but it is not clear if it is distinctly different.  Aaron --- On Tue, 4/19/11, Nhu Nguyen wrote: From: Nhu Nguyen Subject: Re: [pbs] Scilla paucei pics ? = L. socialis To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Date: Tuesday, April 19, 2011, 7:36 AM Hi everyone, There is certainly much confusion with this plant. I just made a quick Google search and found a plant that has beautiful leaves and flowers that look exactly like what we have come to know as L. socialis *except* that it lacks any purple coloring. Take a look at the link below and you can perhaps see into the past where Baker studied a plant similar to this one. So with that, I think the synonomy of this particular plant and L. socialis is pretty certain. http://www.cactus-art.biz/schede/LEDEBOURIA/Ledebouria_pauciflora/Ledebouria_pauciflora/Ledobouria_pauciflora.htm However, most of the plants out there, including Jude's plant do not have leaves that look like this at all. They are ovate and have faint minute markings. They a much slower growing plant as well, despite the ability to produce lots of offsets. I remember when I broke a leaf on my plant. It took months before the leaf was replaced. However, all of this does not mean that it can't just be another form of L. socialis. The Ledebouria-Scilla-Resnova-Drimiopsis group is a big mess and until someone works out the details, we will have to try and stick to the most correct name we know of. Both of the names "L. pauciflora" AND "L. paucifolia" are applied to this plant when doing a web search. The problem is that both of these names are not valid under any plant list, even the most comprehensive of them: http://www.theplantlist.org/. A Google search for L. pauciflora brings up 14,500 hits whereas L. paucifolia only brings up 2,640 hits. The entry on the PBS wiki is meant to catch the most searches. There is no synonym on the page so I'll add it to that page. From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Tue Apr 19 08:29:47 2011 Message-Id: <20110419082946.2338@web002.roc2.bluetie.com> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Fringed Tulips Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 08:29:46 -0400 Of course, you're right, Roger, it's Titian as Judy pointed out in her response. It's spring, and I can't read, write, or focus on anything for long. Thanks, Jim McKenney From pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org Wed Sep 14 23:45:25 2011 Message-Id: From: dave s Subject: Scilla paucei pics ? = L. socialis Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 08:57:22 -0400 None of the paucifolia I've seen resemble the pics on the cactus-biz site. An additional feature of paucifolia, IME, that hasn't been mentioned so far is that while the leaves are green above and below, the bulbs themselves DO show a purple color; it isn't simply an un-pigmented L. socialis "violacea." On the other hand, the pics on the cactus-biz site do seem to be un-pigmented specimens of the classic houseplant. - Dave On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 7:16 AM, aaron floden wrote: > It would seem the combination Ledebouria paucifolia has never been made > even though Baker described these new Scilla as "Scilla [Ledebouria] spp", > knowing that they all fit within the Ledebouria section of Scilla at the > time (1875). > > I also meant to mention that the type of Scilla paucifolia is clearly the > more ovate leaved L. socialis in cultivation, but it is not clear if it is > distinctly different. > > Aaron > > > --- On Tue, 4/19/11, Nhu Nguyen wrote: > > From: Nhu Nguyen > Subject: Re: [pbs] Scilla paucei pics ? = L. socialis > To: "Pacific Bulb Society" > Date: Tuesday, April 19, 2011, 7:36 AM > > Hi everyone, > > There is certainly much confusion with this plant. I just made a quick > Google search and found a plant that has beautiful leaves and flowers that > look exactly like what we have come to know as L. socialis *except* that it > lacks any purple coloring. Take a look at the link below and you can > perhaps > see into the past where Baker studied a plant similar to this one. So with > that, I think the synonomy of this particular plant and L. socialis is > pretty certain. > > > http://www.cactus-art.biz/schede/LEDEBOURIA/Ledebouria_pauciflora/Ledebouria_pauciflora/Ledobouria_pauciflora.htm > > However, most of the plants out there, including Jude's plant do not have > leaves that look like this at all. They are ovate and have faint minute > markings. They a much slower growing plant as well, despite the ability to > produce lots of offsets. I remember when I broke a leaf on my plant. It > took > months before the leaf was replaced. However, all of this does not mean > that > it can't just be another form of L. socialis. > > The Ledebouria-Scilla-Resnova-Drimiopsis group is a big mess and until > someone works out the details, we will have to try and stick to the most > correct name we know of. Both of the names "L. pauciflora" AND "L. > paucifolia" are applied to this plant when doing a web search. The problem > is that both of these names are not valid under any plant list, even the > most comprehensive of them: http://www.theplantlist.org/. A Google search > for L. pauciflora brings up 14,500 hits whereas L. paucifolia only brings > up > 2,640 hits. The entry on the PBS wiki is meant to catch the most searches. > There is no synonym on the page so I'll add it to that page. > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org Wed Sep 14 23:45:25 2011 Message-Id: From: dave s Subject: Scilla paucei pics ? = L. socialis Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 08:59:54 -0400 Aaron - the markings of "typical" cultivated L. socialis and those of L. socialis "Miner" make for an interesting comparison with those of paucifolia, yes? - Dave On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 8:57 AM, dave s wrote: > None of the paucifolia I've seen resemble the pics on the cactus-biz site. > An additional feature of paucifolia, IME, that hasn't been mentioned so far > is that while the leaves are green above and below, the bulbs themselves DO > show a purple color; it isn't simply an un-pigmented L. socialis "violacea." > On the other hand, the pics on the cactus-biz site do seem to be > un-pigmented specimens of the classic houseplant. > > - Dave > > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 7:16 AM, aaron floden wrote: > >> It would seem the combination Ledebouria paucifolia has never been made >> even though Baker described these new Scilla as "Scilla [Ledebouria] spp", >> knowing that they all fit within the Ledebouria section of Scilla at the >> time (1875). >> >> I also meant to mention that the type of Scilla paucifolia is clearly the >> more ovate leaved L. socialis in cultivation, but it is not clear if it is >> distinctly different. >> >> Aaron >> >> >> --- On Tue, 4/19/11, Nhu Nguyen wrote: >> >> From: Nhu Nguyen >> Subject: Re: [pbs] Scilla paucei pics ? = L. socialis >> To: "Pacific Bulb Society" >> Date: Tuesday, April 19, 2011, 7:36 AM >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> There is certainly much confusion with this plant. I just made a quick >> Google search and found a plant that has beautiful leaves and flowers that >> look exactly like what we have come to know as L. socialis *except* that >> it >> lacks any purple coloring. Take a look at the link below and you can >> perhaps >> see into the past where Baker studied a plant similar to this one. So with >> that, I think the synonomy of this particular plant and L. socialis is >> pretty certain. >> >> >> http://www.cactus-art.biz/schede/LEDEBOURIA/Ledebouria_pauciflora/Ledebouria_pauciflora/Ledobouria_pauciflora.htm >> >> However, most of the plants out there, including Jude's plant do not have >> leaves that look like this at all. They are ovate and have faint minute >> markings. They a much slower growing plant as well, despite the ability to >> produce lots of offsets. I remember when I broke a leaf on my plant. It >> took >> months before the leaf was replaced. However, all of this does not mean >> that >> it can't just be another form of L. socialis. >> >> The Ledebouria-Scilla-Resnova-Drimiopsis group is a big mess and until >> someone works out the details, we will have to try and stick to the most >> correct name we know of. Both of the names "L. pauciflora" AND "L. >> paucifolia" are applied to this plant when doing a web search. The problem >> is that both of these names are not valid under any plant list, even the >> most comprehensive of them: http://www.theplantlist.org/. A Google search >> for L. pauciflora brings up 14,500 hits whereas L. paucifolia only brings >> up >> 2,640 hits. The entry on the PBS wiki is meant to catch the most searches. >> There is no synonym on the page so I'll add it to that page. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> > > From jgglatt@gmail.com Tue Apr 19 12:27:13 2011 Message-Id: <4DADB7E3.7090105@gmail.com> From: Judy Glattstein Subject: Tulip 'Titian' - Is Google My Friend? Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 12:27:15 -0400 In the early 1800s, Robert Sweet produced */The Florist's Guide and Cultivator's Directory or drawings of the choicest Florists flowers/*, which contained a large number of hand-colored botanical engravings. The work was published in London by James Ridgeway between 1827 and 1832. It featured engravings after Edwin Dalton Smith which were engraved by J. Watts and printed on fine woven, watermarked paper. This book on old tulips, extinct English florists tulips, no longer extant, mentions *Titian Tulip* - /Tulipa Gesneriana var. Titiana /The image shows a single red tulip flamed with yellow Michael King's book on Gardening with Tulips has a brief mention of "sport of a very old Double Early tulip called 'Titian'. The multi-petalled flowers are bright red and the bold fringes are highlighted in rich glowing yellow."/ / From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Tue Apr 19 13:23:44 2011 Message-Id: <20110419132342.24574@web005.roc2.bluetie.com> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Tulip 'Titian' - Is Google My Friend? Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 13:23:42 -0400 Neat! Thanks Judy. The illustration shows what I take to be a broken tulip (a tulip infected with color breaking virus). As far as I know, once virus infected, a tulip remains virus infected. So I don't think this tulip can be the tulip which I have hypothesized as the parent of the double 'Titian' and thus ancestor of 'Fringed Beauty' which is not infected with color breaking virus (or if it is, no one is taking the usual precautions to be taken with broken tulips). On the other hand, maybe it is because back in those days the same name was sometimes used for the various manifestations of one tulip. In other words, if 'Titian' was the name of the original six-petaled virus free tulip (a breeder in the old terminology), perhaps the double flowered form originated before the virus infection took place. That would have meant that there were at least three forms of 'Titian' making the rounds: the original breeder Titian , the virus free double form "double Titian' and the virus infected single form seen ("flamed Titian") in the plate you provided. We'll probably never know for sure, and thanks for helping to push the search back a bit further. Jim McKenney From jane@sonic.net Tue Apr 19 18:18:54 2011 Message-Id: <4DAE00EE.9090100@sonic.net> From: Jane Merryman Subject: call for articles for The Bulb Garden Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 14:38:54 -0700 We have just put together the spring issue of The Bulb Garden and it will be mailed out soon. It's time to start thinking about the summer issue. We are looking for articles of about 1,200 words. Shorter contributions are also accepted. These subjects are welcome: book reviews bulb-growing techniques your experiences growing certain species travel to see bulbs in the wild botanical gardens with bulb collections (anyone want to write up the Missouri Botanical Garden?) diseases and their cures anything else you can think of Sadly, Robin Hansen will no longer be doing a regular column. Would anyone like to fill in that space? You can discuss this with me at jane@sonic.net Jane Merryman Editor, The Bulb Garden -- Read my blog at www.janemerryman.com From meneice@att.net Tue Apr 19 21:17:38 2011 Message-Id: From: Subject: call for articles for The Bulb Garden Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 18:17:32 -0700 It will be a remarkable person who can write up the Missouri Botanic Garden in 1200 words. Maybe Peter Raven. Shirley From zonneveld@nhn.leidenuniv.nl Wed Apr 20 04:51:14 2011 Message-Id: From: "Zonneveld, B.J.M. (Ben)" Subject: L. socialis Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 08:41:36 +0000 Ledebouria socialis is there with and without purple backs A cross between the two is fertile Ben J.M.Zonneveld Nationaal Herbarium Nederland POBox 9514 2300 RA Leiden, The Netherlands telf 071 5274738 E-mail: Zonneveld@NHN.Leidenuniv.nl -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 6:01 PM To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 99, Issue 25 Send pbs mailing list submissions to pbs@lists.ibiblio.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org You can reach the person managing the list at pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php Today's Topics: 1. Re: Fringed Tulips (totototo@telus.net) 2. Re: Scilla paucei pics ? = L. socialis (aaron floden) 3. Re: Fringed Tulips (Jim McKenney) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:58:54 -0700 From: totototo@telus.net Subject: Re: [pbs] Fringed Tulips To: Pacific Bulb Society Message-ID: <4DACA60E.5410.2F35@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On 18 Apr 2011, at 12:25, Jim McKenney wrote: > 'Titan' Was it not 'Titian', after the famous painter? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titian -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 04:16:26 -0700 (PDT) From: aaron floden Subject: Re: [pbs] Scilla paucei pics ? = L. socialis To: Pacific Bulb Society Message-ID: <533648.19210.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 ?It would seem the combination Ledebouria paucifolia has never been made even though Baker described these new Scilla as "Scilla [Ledebouria] spp", knowing that they all fit within the Ledebouria section of Scilla at the time (1875). ?I also meant to mention that the type of Scilla paucifolia is clearly the more ovate leaved L. socialis in cultivation, but it is not clear if it is distinctly different. ?Aaron --- On Tue, 4/19/11, Nhu Nguyen wrote: From: Nhu Nguyen Subject: Re: [pbs] Scilla paucei pics ? = L. socialis To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Date: Tuesday, April 19, 2011, 7:36 AM Hi everyone, There is certainly much confusion with this plant. I just made a quick Google search and found a plant that has beautiful leaves and flowers that look exactly like what we have come to know as L. socialis *except* that it lacks any purple coloring. Take a look at the link below and you can perhaps see into the past where Baker studied a plant similar to this one. So with that, I think the synonomy of this particular plant and L. socialis is pretty certain. http://www.cactus-art.biz/schede/LEDEBOURIA/Ledebouria_pauciflora/Ledebouria_pauciflora/Ledobouria_pauciflora.htm However, most of the plants out there, including Jude's plant do not have leaves that look like this at all. They are ovate and have faint minute markings. They a much slower growing plant as well, despite the ability to produce lots of offsets. I remember when I broke a leaf on my plant. It took months before the leaf was replaced. However, all of this does not mean that it can't just be another form of L. socialis. The Ledebouria-Scilla-Resnova-Drimiopsis group is a big mess and until someone works out the details, we will have to try and stick to the most correct name we know of. Both of the names "L. pauciflora" AND "L. paucifolia" are applied to this plant when doing a web search. The problem is that both of these names are not valid under any plant list, even the most comprehensive of them: http://www.theplantlist.org/. A Google search for L. pauciflora brings up 14,500 hits whereas L. paucifolia only brings up 2,640 hits. The entry on the PBS wiki is meant to catch the most searches. There is no synonym on the page so I'll add it to that page. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 08:29:46 -0400 From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Re: [pbs] Fringed Tulips To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Message-ID: <20110419082946.2338@web002.roc2.bluetie.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Of course, you're right, Roger, it's Titian as Judy pointed out in her response. It's spring, and I can't read, write, or focus on anything for long. Thanks, Jim McKenney ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php End of pbs Digest, Vol 99, Issue 25 *********************************** From latsyrc18940@yahoo.com Wed Apr 20 23:11:30 2011 Message-Id: <924588.33487.qm@web56601.mail.re3.yahoo.com> From: kuang huang Subject: Paramongaia weberbaueri seeds Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:11:25 -0700 (PDT) Hi All, just got the Paramongaia seeds, now I really need someone advise on how to grow the plant from seed. Could someone make suggestion like how to germinate the seed and what kind of soil I should use later on. Any input will be appreciated. Thanks Best regards, Andy From brutem@mcn.org Thu Apr 21 00:25:54 2011 Message-Id: <20110421042554.5E391E8BAC@lists.ibiblio.org> From: Bob Rutemoeller Subject: University of California at Santa Cruz Arboretum and Worsleya article Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:57:14 -0700 Today must be the day to receive spring newsletters. Two arrived today - one from UC Botanical Garden (Berkeley) and one from UC Santa Cruz Arboretum Associates. For Worsleya fans go to: http://arboretum.ucsc.edu/pdfs/Bulletin3404.pdf There is a beautiful photo of Worsleya procera on front page and also more info on page 5. Bob Bob Rutemoeller brutem@mcn.org From ton1.wijnen@planet.nl Thu Apr 21 05:17:46 2011 Message-Id: From: "Ton Wijnen" Subject: Paramongaia weberbaueri seeds Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 11:05:39 +0200 Hallo Andy I have germinating Paramongaia seeds a few years ago in a warm greenhouse. I am living in the Netherlands. The temp in the green house was 22 Celcius at day and 20 Celcius at night. The soil was good drained and I put a plastic bag over the pot. Make the soil once moisty and than the plastic bag over the pot. When the seeds are germinating, the seedlings have two leaves, take the plastic bag away. But still little bit watering the seedlings, I did spray them every day. Not in the full sun. Paramongaia seedlings are growing very, very slowly, I have now 5 seedlings about 3 years old, the bulbs are only a half cm. Success Kind regards Ton Wijnen The Netherlands -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] Namens kuang huang Verzonden: donderdag 21 april 2011 5:11 Aan: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Onderwerp: [pbs] Paramongaia weberbaueri seeds Hi All, just got the Paramongaia seeds, now I really need someone advise on how to grow the plant from seed. Could someone make suggestion like how to germinate the seed and what kind of soil I should use later on. Any input will be appreciated. Thanks Best regards, Andy From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Thu Apr 21 09:50:58 2011 Message-Id: <20110421095056.18517@web003.roc2.bluetie.com> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Notholirion thomsonianum Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 09:50:56 -0400 I got a call from a gardening friend yesterday who had a plant blooming in her garden which she had never seen before. This is someone who knows plants well and grows a staggering variety of plants. She tried to describe it to me on the phone: basal leaves with a flower stem about a foot and a half high , pink flowers, some sort of bulb. The first thing which popped into my mind was a pink-flowered Hyacinthoides, but I'm sure she knew those well. She wanted me to come see it before someone picked it (part of her gardening activities take place outisde of her own property). I had a lot to do at the time, and I didn't get over to see the plant until just before dark. Talk about a WOW! exprience: the plant was Notholirion thomsonianum. I recognized it as a Notholirion, but did not realize that it was N. thomsonianum. The individual flowers were pale pinkish lilac and somewhat Lycoris-like, about two inches or a bit more in diameter. There is more to the story, which I learned later that evening when I called my friend and talked to her husband. He had dug out their planting diagrams and had narrowed the identification down to two plants. One was N. thomsonianum. I grow N. thomsonianum; my plant came from Jane McGary in 2006 and it has not yet bloomed, although it seems to be growing well. I was very curious about where they got their plant: he looked at their records again and said "Jane McGary, 2006" Too funny - what a small world. I had some doubts about my specific identification of the plant I saw. For one thing, I expected N. thomsonianum to have white flowers of narrow bell shape. The plant I saw has lilac-pink flowers which very similar in shape to Lycoris flowers. If you Google Notholirion thomsonianum images, you'll see plants like the one I saw. From an ornamental point of view it's a beautiful plant. This plant is much handsomer than I had expected. It also bears an uncanny resemblance superficially to, of all things, Hesperocallis undulata. The flower color is different, and the Notholirion does not have undulate leaves, but the poise, stockiness, flower size and placement, overall size are all very similar. Are they related, or is this an example of convergent evolution? I got some pictures, but the light was poor and I did not have a tripod so most are only adaquate. I'll try to get back soon to get better pictures - it's a fifty mile high speed round trip with the potential for major traffic jams mid-trip each way. In the mean time, if someone whould like to post one of the images to the wiki, I'll be glad to send it on. You can see it here: http://mcwort.blogspot.com/2011/04/notholirion-thomsonianum.html Jim McKenney From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Thu Apr 21 10:04:04 2011 Message-Id: <20110421100402.31183@web001.roc2.bluetie.com> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Bellevalia webbiana Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 10:04:02 -0400 After the Notholirion post, this is a bit like going from if not the sublime to the ridiculous than at least the major to the seemingly trivial. Little Bellevalia webbiana is blooming now. I don't recall it having ever been mentioned by this group. Again, it's a plant I received from Jane McGary (in 2006, the same shipment which brought the Notholirion). This is not a conspicuous plant, but it's one I've come to like. The flowers are white, but the anthers are black and the contrast is interesting. It's similar to the plant shown on the wiki as B. romana. It's not on the wiki yet, so if someone will load the image, I'll provide one. My big plant of Bellevalia longipes did not reappear last year and I was afraid that it was a goner. But this year I notice three very small plants, two of which are going to bloom. If you don't know this one, check it out- it's one of the tumbleweed species. Jim McKenney From ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com Thu Apr 21 10:59:58 2011 Message-Id: From: Alberto Castillo Subject: Paramongaia weberbaueri seeds Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 14:59:56 +0000 You say nothing about your local conditions. if they are the winter dormant form sow in spring in pure coarse sand in a deep pot with very good drainage holes. Once germination takes place move gradually to full sun (they grow in full sun). Careful with the waterings. The worst period is the first dormancy but seedlings are apt to keep on growing the first and second season with no dormancy inbetween. On the other hand once mature will live and flower for many years. In summary, hot desert warm season bulb (there is a winter growing form in cultivation). Bulbs very deep in the soil, large, offsetting slowly. Dry winter dormant for a long season. Good luck > Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:11:25 -0700 > From: latsyrc18940@yahoo.com > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: [pbs] Paramongaia weberbaueri seeds > > > Hi All, just got the Paramongaia seeds, now I really need someone advise on how > to grow the plant from seed. Could someone make suggestion like how to germinate > the seed and what kind of soil I should use later on. Any input will be > appreciated. > > Thanks > > Best regards, > > Andy > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Thu Apr 21 13:02:09 2011 Message-Id: <20110421130208.22394@web002.roc2.bluetie.com> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: University of California at Santa Cruz Arboretum and Worsleya article Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 13:02:08 -0400 Thanks, Bob, the color of the flowers in that photo is fantastic! Eighteen years to bloom? That reminds me of the Davidia in my garden (blooming now) - it took seventeen years for it to bloom and it has gotten better every year since. My Worsleya are now three years old; let's see, eighteen minus three...I might not live that long. When Worsleya is young, sections perpendicular to the width of the leaf will be in a horizontal plane. But in mature plants the same section is in a vertical plane. The mature leaves seem to be positioned so that they would get a minimum of driect sun during the middle of the day. Does anyone know an explanation for this? It's so unusual that it must have some adaptive significance. Jim McKenney From ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com Thu Apr 21 13:14:18 2011 Message-Id: From: Alberto Castillo Subject: University of California at Santa Cruz Arboretum and Worsleya article Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 17:14:16 +0000 Jim, it grows on peculiarly shaped dome like boulders (boulders the size of a hill) on a thin layer of "soil". But the fan of leaves do not grow pointing upwards as in all the other bulbs, therefore in the wild the fan does not necessarily receive minimum sun at noon.. The plants practically hand from the steep slopes. Cock tail's fashion unlike the other bulbs. There is a good number of fascinating photos of plants and plants in habitat in back issues of Plant Life and Herbertia. "> When Worsleya is young, sections perpendicular to the width of the leaf will be in a horizontal plane. But in mature plants the same section is in a vertical plane. The mature leaves seem to be positioned so that they would get a minimum of driect sun during the middle of the day. Does anyone know an explanation for this? It's so unusual that it must have some adaptive significance. " From janemcgary@earthlink.net Thu Apr 21 13:49:40 2011 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Notholirion thomsonianum Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 10:44:24 -0700 Jim McKenney and his friend reported on Notholirion thomsonianum, which they obtained from me. I grew it from seed a long time ago. Jim, be sure to tell your friend that the flowering bulb itself will now die, and the plant will continue from the offsets. There should be a lot of offsets, but most of them will be very small, oval bulblets with the characteristic corrugated dark brown tunic. Best to lift the cluster of bulbs after the foliage withers and spread the offsets out a bit so they'll gain flowering size. It takes about 5 years for the smallest offsets to reach flowering size, but usually the maturing bulb makes offsets every year, so if it's well suited there will be a succession of bloom once you get it going. I haven't ever had a plant set seed; perhaps the temperature regime here isn't right for it. This species has very pretty, narrowly funnel-shaped flowers of an unusual buff-lavender color, and they're also fragrant. The only undesirable thing about this species is its long, floppy foliage -- you have to keep it away from smaller plants or it will smother them. There are still plants in the ground at my former garden (which will probably have the For Sale sign on it until all the foreclosures in the county get sold to the bargain hunters), and of course I brought it with me to the new garden. It survived 9 degrees F this past winter in the open, growing in very well drained soil. It is most likely to flower if given a dry summer dormancy. I think other species of Notholirion are not dry-summer plants. Jane McGary Portland, Oregon, USA From ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com Thu Apr 21 14:17:02 2011 Message-Id: From: Alberto Castillo Subject: Notholirion thomsonianum Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 18:17:01 +0000 Most interesting, Jane. In our climate, that is a lot warmer than yours, N. thomsonianum is a super plant. Foliage is not floppy, and some flowers set a number of seeds, many small and aborted but also others that look large and complete. I assume the mother bulb dies here as well but the several large offsets are flowering size. Small offsets are also produced but not as abundant as in say, Fritillaria. The flower color is extraordinary, like a lavender with a small hint of blue, really lovely. From your description I assume N. thomsonianum could do very well in warmer climates. As for the other Notholirions they seem to prefer cooler conditions and were never happy here to eventually die off. From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Thu Apr 21 21:02:19 2011 Message-Id: <20110421210218.5062@web002.roc2.bluetie.com> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Notholirion thomsonianum Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 21:02:18 -0400 I went back today and took more pictures of the Notholirion. I've removed the original image on the blog and replaced it with three new images. You can take a look using the same link: http://mcwort.blogspot.com/2011/04/notholirion-thomsonianum.html Jim McKenney From latsyrc18940@yahoo.com Fri Apr 22 00:22:57 2011 Message-Id: <292248.38833.qm@web56602.mail.re3.yahoo.com> From: kuang huang Subject: Paramongaia weberbaueri seeds Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 21:22:56 -0700 (PDT) Hi Ton, thanks for the information. Do you soak the seed before you put in the soil? I live in the Southern California, the weather never get too cold, right now the daily temp is between 55F to 75F(12C at night and 23C day time) so I am thinking grow the seed in house. By the way, I am not sure whether I got winter dorm Paramongaia or summer Paramongaia, will find out later. Best regards, Andy ________________________________ From: Ton Wijnen To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 2:05:39 AM Subject: Re: [pbs] Paramongaia weberbaueri seeds Hallo Andy I have germinating Paramongaia seeds a few years ago in a warm greenhouse. I am living in the Netherlands. The temp in the green house was 22 Celcius at day and 20 Celcius at night. The soil was good drained and I put a plastic bag over the pot. Make the soil once moisty and than the plastic bag over the pot. When the seeds are germinating, the seedlings have two leaves, take the plastic bag away. But still little bit watering the seedlings, I did spray them every day. Not in the full sun. Paramongaia seedlings are growing very, very slowly, I have now 5 seedlings about 3 years old, the bulbs are only a half cm. Success Kind regards Ton Wijnen The Netherlands -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] Namens kuang huang Verzonden: donderdag 21 april 2011 5:11 Aan: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Onderwerp: [pbs] Paramongaia weberbaueri seeds Hi All, just got the Paramongaia seeds, now I really need someone advise on how to grow the plant from seed. Could someone make suggestion like how to germinate the seed and what kind of soil I should use later on. Any input will be appreciated. Thanks Best regards, Andy From latsyrc18940@yahoo.com Fri Apr 22 00:25:22 2011 Message-Id: <628818.44141.qm@web56607.mail.re3.yahoo.com> From: kuang huang Subject: Paramongaia weberbaueri seeds Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 21:25:21 -0700 (PDT) Hi Alberto, thanks for the information, I live in the Mediterranean weather in Southern California, I will let you what kind of seed I got later, I will need to find out from the donor. thanks Best regards, Andy ________________________________ From: Alberto Castillo To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 7:59:56 AM Subject: [pbs] Paramongaiaweberbaueri seeds You say nothing about your local conditions. if they are the winter dormant form sow in spring in pure coarse sand in a deep pot with very good drainage holes. Once germination takes place move gradually to full sun (they grow in full sun). Careful with the waterings. The worst period is the first dormancy but seedlings are apt to keep on growing the first and second season with no dormancy inbetween. On the other hand once mature will live and flower for many years. In summary, hot desert warm season bulb (there is a winter growing form in cultivation). Bulbs very deep in the soil, large, offsetting slowly. Dry winter dormant for a long season. Good luck > Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:11:25 -0700 > From: latsyrc18940@yahoo.com > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: [pbs] Paramongaiaweberbaueri seeds > > > Hi All, just got the Paramongaia seeds, now I really need someone advise on how > > to grow the plant from seed. Could someone make suggestion like how to >germinate > > the seed and what kind of soil I should use later on. Any input will be > appreciated. > > Thanks > > Best regards, > > Andy > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From pelarg@aol.com Fri Apr 22 08:08:26 2011 Message-Id: <8CDCEFD17E0A8AD-1458-11471@webmail-d039.sysops.aol.com> From: pelarg@aol.com Subject: Paramongaia weberbaueri seeds Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 08:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Hi Andy, Most likely the seeds are derived from the winter growing form of Paramongaia, that is the form growing at the NYBG where Marc works. Refrigerate (do not freeze) the seed until temps cool in Sept or Oct, then sow. I've sprouted them by floating them on water and pricking them off and planting them as they germinate (like is sometimes done with hippeastrums) and also sown them directly into pots, they work either way. Fungicide may be advised in the latter case, in case a dud seed gets consumed by a fungus that then spreads to live seeds. They are not difficult to grow, treat like any other winter growing geophyte. Ernie DeMarie Tuckahoe NY Z6/7 Too much cloudy/rainy weather of late, but Iris lazica opened yesterday on a nice sunny day. -----Original Message----- From: kuang huang To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:51 am Subject: Re: [pbs] Paramongaia weberbaueri seeds Hi Ton, thanks for the information. Do you soak the seed before you put in the oil? I live in the Southern California, the weather never get too cold, right ow the daily temp is between 55F to 75F(12C at night and 23C day time) so I am hinking grow the seed in house. By the way, I am not sure whether I got winter orm Paramongaia or summer Paramongaia, will find out later. Best regards, Andy _______________________________ rom: Ton Wijnen o: Pacific Bulb Society ent: Thu, April 21, 2011 2:05:39 AM ubject: Re: [pbs] Paramongaia weberbaueri seeds Hallo Andy I have germinating Paramongaia seeds a few years ago in a warm greenhouse. am living in the Netherlands. he temp in the green house was 22 Celcius at day and 20 Celcius at night. he soil was good drained and I put a plastic bag over the pot. Make the oil once moisty and than the plastic bag over the pot. hen the seeds are germinating, the seedlings have two leaves, take the lastic bag away. But still little bit watering the seedlings, I did spray hem every day. ot in the full sun. aramongaia seedlings are growing very, very slowly, I have now 5 seedlings bout 3 years old, the bulbs are only a half cm. Success Kind regards Ton Wijnen he Netherlands ----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- an: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] amens kuang huang erzonden: donderdag 21 april 2011 5:11 an: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org nderwerp: [pbs] Paramongaia weberbaueri seeds i All, just got the Paramongaia seeds, now I really need someone advise on ow o grow the plant from seed. Could someone make suggestion like how to erminate he seed and what kind of soil I should use later on. Any input will be ppreciated. Thanks Best regards, Andy ______________________________________________ bs mailing list bs@lists.ibiblio.org ttp://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php ttp://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki _______________________________________________ bs mailing list bs@lists.ibiblio.org ttp://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php ttp://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki ______________________________________________ bs mailing list bs@lists.ibiblio.org ttp://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php ttp://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com Fri Apr 22 09:08:21 2011 Message-Id: From: Alberto Castillo Subject: Paramongaia weberbaueri seeds Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 13:08:20 +0000 Hi Andy: Southern California is a good place to grow Paramongaia as it comes from a hot desert area where it can be hot during the day but cool at nights. Nothing like most Hippeastrums. If there are differences between day and night temperatures everything will go well. I remember seeing perfect specimens of the winter growing form at the collection of UC Irvine Arboretum. From ton1.wijnen@planet.nl Fri Apr 22 09:28:51 2011 Message-Id: From: "Ton Wijnen" Subject: Paramongaia weberbaueri seeds Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 15:28:42 +0200 Hallo Andy No, I did not soak the seeds before. Success Ton -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] Namens kuang huang Verzonden: vrijdag 22 april 2011 6:23 Aan: Pacific Bulb Society Onderwerp: Re: [pbs] Paramongaia weberbaueri seeds Hi Ton, thanks for the information. Do you soak the seed before you put in the soil? I live in the Southern California, the weather never get too cold, right now the daily temp is between 55F to 75F(12C at night and 23C day time) so I am thinking grow the seed in house. By the way, I am not sure whether I got winter dorm Paramongaia or summer Paramongaia, will find out later. Best regards, Andy ________________________________ From: Ton Wijnen To: Pacific Bulb Society Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 2:05:39 AM Subject: Re: [pbs] Paramongaia weberbaueri seeds Hallo Andy I have germinating Paramongaia seeds a few years ago in a warm greenhouse. I am living in the Netherlands. The temp in the green house was 22 Celcius at day and 20 Celcius at night. The soil was good drained and I put a plastic bag over the pot. Make the soil once moisty and than the plastic bag over the pot. When the seeds are germinating, the seedlings have two leaves, take the plastic bag away. But still little bit watering the seedlings, I did spray them every day. Not in the full sun. Paramongaia seedlings are growing very, very slowly, I have now 5 seedlings about 3 years old, the bulbs are only a half cm. Success Kind regards Ton Wijnen The Netherlands -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] Namens kuang huang Verzonden: donderdag 21 april 2011 5:11 Aan: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Onderwerp: [pbs] Paramongaia weberbaueri seeds Hi All, just got the Paramongaia seeds, now I really need someone advise on how to grow the plant from seed. Could someone make suggestion like how to germinate the seed and what kind of soil I should use later on. Any input will be appreciated. Thanks Best regards, Andy From xerantheum@gmail.com Fri Apr 22 12:04:03 2011 Message-Id: From: Nhu Nguyen Subject: University of California at Santa Cruz Arboretum and Worsleya article Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 09:04:01 -0700 Jim, Really good growers with absolute perfect growing conditions can make a Worsleya bloom in 4 years. Dale Guthrie in South Africa is can make this happen. Nhu Berkeley, CA --- http://www.flickr.com/photos/xerantheum/ On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Jim McKenney wrote: > Eighteen years to bloom? That reminds me of the Davidia in my garden > (blooming now) - it took seventeen years for it to bloom and it has gotten > better every year since. My Worsleya are now three years old; let's see, > eighteen minus three...I might not live that long. > From mhach@ix.netcom.com Fri Apr 22 16:08:42 2011 Message-Id: <12917573.1303502920555.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net> From: mhach@ix.netcom.com Subject: Paramongia Seeds Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 16:08:40 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Dear All- The seeds are from the winter growing form of Paramongia weberbaueri. They are descendents of the genetic line of Paramongia that Longwood Gardens cultivates. I grow mine in full sun, basic bulbous mix with some added drainage and repotting every couple of years. seed is easy to germinate - For my amaryllids I have been using the Telos Method with wonderful results. The Rhodophialas germiated like grass and it looks like the Paramongia seed that I sowed from the same batch as I sent to the exchange are going to do the same. Her method is detailed on her blog http://thebulbmaven.typepad.com/the_bulb_maven/seeds/ Marc From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Sat Apr 23 12:44:33 2011 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: Allium zebdanense Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 11:44:05 -0500 Dear PBSers, I keep on loving this tiny onion, but never get around to praising it totally. It is a winner. I am talking about Allium zebdanense http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/AlliumSpeciesFour#zebdanense It is the earliest Allium in my garden. Years ago I got some tiny bulbs from Hoog & Dix (back when). I don't often see these available and probably because they are so tiny. They have formed a nice clump maybe 6-8 inches across and bloom reliably every spring in a semi-shaded area on the edge of a silver maple. The foliage is bright green and very grassy looking. I'd dread an indiscrimate weeder coming in a pulling this out in a minute. Before spring has barely started the incredibly thin pedicels emerge with buds forming on them. As the flowers open into small white tufts of multiple flowers, the seem to float inches above the foliage. The flowers last a decent amount of time and really deserve to be dug, thinned and moved around. I can completely recommend this tiny bulb for a spot in your garden where you'll see it early in spring for full appreciation. A winner. Mark any thoughts on this gem? Best Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + From ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com Sat Apr 23 12:59:21 2011 Message-Id: From: Alberto Castillo Subject: Allium zebdanense Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 16:59:19 +0000 Jim does it set any seed? > It is the earliest Allium in my garden. Years ago I got some > tiny bulbs from Hoog & Dix (back when). I don't often see these > available and probably because they are so tiny. From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Sat Apr 23 13:06:09 2011 Message-Id: <20110423130607.15305@web004.roc2.bluetie.com> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Allium zebdanense Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 13:06:07 -0400 I share Jim W's high esteem for this Allium. My first stocks of this species came from the John Messelaar Bulb Company perhaps forty years ago. At the time, they were the only ones who listed this species among the bulb merchants I knew. For years I thought it might be tender like the various plants sent out under the name Allium neapolitanum, and so I grew it in a very protected spot. Years later, as my circle of gardening friends expanded, I noticed it naturalized in other local gardens. Now mine grow out in the open. Only last weekend I was visiting a slightly warmer garden which has both A. zebdanense and A. neapolitnaum: they are easily distinguished on the basis of the leaf width (zebdanense narrow, neapolitanum wide) and the slightly narrower and less campanulate flower of A. zebdanense. Jim W wrote : "As the flowers open into small white tufts of multiple flowers, the seem to float inches above the foliage." Here, the flowers open well above the foliage. The long, lax, arching foliage is about six inches under the inflorescence and the scape is very thin and a bit flexuous. It's a very graceful plant. I agree, it's definitely a keeper. Jim McKenney From klazina1@gmail.com Sat Apr 23 21:31:58 2011 Message-Id: <4DB37D8B.2020504@gmail.com> From: Ina Crossley Subject: Haemanthus Albiflos Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 13:31:55 +1200 My first flower. http://www.flickr.com/photos/plantlover/5648168904/in/photostream Ina Crossley From dkramb@gmail.com Sat Apr 23 23:49:11 2011 Message-Id: From: Dennis Kramb Subject: Polianthes tuberosa Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 23:49:09 -0400 I've grown this species for a couple years and have yet to get any bloom. Last fall I decided to try something different with overwintering. As usual I put most of them in pots in the basement. But one of them I potted up in leca stones and kept it on the windowsill all winter. It stayed green and healthy the whole time, but a few weeks ago it started to decline. Is this normal? Did it "decide" it was time to go dormant? I unpotted it to check for pests and found some crawly critters, but nothing apparently that was an infestation. It also has produced lots of offsets... and the roots seem very healthy indeed. I guess I'll pot it back up in the leca stones. But really confused about why the foliage is withering away. I hope it's not pests. Dennis in Cincinnati From Santoury@aol.com Sat Apr 23 23:58:34 2011 Message-Id: <8CDD04AFB3B2B02-8F0-9832@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> From: The Silent Seed Subject: Polianthes tuberosa Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 23:58:19 -0400 I'm sure it's telling you to let it go dormant. I grow everything inside my plant house, including a lot of stuff that is supposed to go dormant at some point - but I never force it on them - as a result, there is always something "funky" going on - for example, I have a winter growing Golden Rain Tree, that goes dormant during the summer! Jude From dkramb@gmail.com Sun Apr 24 12:25:08 2011 Message-Id: From: Dennis Kramb Subject: Polianthes tuberosa Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 12:25:06 -0400 So I probably overreacted by unpotting it and giving it a pesticidal bath, huh? LOL. Well, shoot... hopefully it will be fine. Thanks Jude. Dennis in Cincinnati On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 11:58 PM, The Silent Seed wrote: > > I'm sure it's telling you to let it go dormant. > I grow everything inside my plant house, including a lot of stuff that is > supposed to go dormant at some point - but I never force it on them - as a > result, there is always something "funky" going on - for example, I have a > winter growing Golden Rain Tree, that goes dormant during the summer! > Jude > > From jshields@indy.net Sun Apr 24 12:45:26 2011 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20110424123916.045df058@pop.indy.net> From: "J.E. Shields" Subject: Polianthes tuberosa Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 12:45:08 -0400 I grew Polianthes tuberosa here in central Indiana for years. The bulbs spent the summers outdoors and the winters bone dry, either bare rooted in the basement or sitting potted in their pots in the basement. Repotting encouraged bloom, as I recall. Once I lost my sense of smell (40 years as a bench chemist can do that to you), I lost some of my interest in Polianthes. I tend to like big and gaudy.... Jim Shields in Westfield, Indiana USA At 12:25 PM 4/24/2011 -0400, you wrote: >So I probably overreacted by unpotting it and giving it a pesticidal bath, >huh? LOL. Well, shoot... hopefully it will be fine. > >Thanks Jude. >Dennis in Cincinnati ************************************************* Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Tel. ++1-317-867-3344 From jmsjon664@aol.com Sun Apr 24 19:03:58 2011 Message-Id: <8CDD0EAFCC47A1E-1208-10ED3@Webmail-m116.sysops.aol.com> From: jmsjon664@aol.com Subject: Allium zebdanense Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 19:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Plain Language from Truthful Jameses: Allium zebdanense is nice! Mine self-sows decorously and divides readily, and is coming into bloom now. Jim Jones Lexington, MA -----Original Message----- From: Jim McKenney To: pbs Sent: Sat, Apr 23, 2011 1:44 pm Subject: Re: [pbs] Allium zebdanense I share Jim W's high esteem for this Allium. My first stocks of this species came from the John Messelaar Bulb Company perhaps forty years ago. At the time, they were the only ones who listed this species among the bulb merchants I knew. For years I thought it might be tender like the various plants sent out under the name Allium neapolitanum, and so I grew it in a very protected spot. Years later, as my circle of gardening friends expanded, I noticed it naturalized in other local gardens. Now mine grow out in the open. Only last weekend I was visiting a slightly warmer garden which has both A. zebdanense and A. neapolitnaum: they are easily distinguished on the basis of the leaf width (zebdanense narrow, neapolitanum wide) and the slightly narrower and less campanulate flower of A. zebdanense. Jim W wrote : "As the flowers open into small white tufts of multiple flowers, the seem to float inches above the foliage." Here, the flowers open well above the foliage. The long, lax, arching foliage is about six inches under the inflorescence and the scape is very thin and a bit flexuous. It's a very graceful plant. I agree, it's definitely a keeper. Jim McKenney From leo@possi.org Sun Apr 24 19:49:38 2011 Message-Id: <4049b50357e791fd3748fb6587d82319.squirrel@www.possi.org> From: "Leo A. Martin" Subject: Polianthes tuberosa Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 16:44:35 -0700 (PDT) > I've grown this species for a couple years > and have yet to get any bloom. snip > one of them I potted up in leca stones and kept it on the > windowsill all winter. It stayed green and healthy the whole > time, but a few weeks ago it started to decline. snip > lots of offsets... and the roots seem very healthy indeed. Think of this as an evergreen tropical plant that prefers to grow all year, but will survive winter dormancy with considerable setback. In my experience it needs a very large pot for best bloom - say 18" / 45cm across or bigger and correspondingly deep. I find it grows and blooms best in a soil high in organic matter. In the ground is much better but it doesn't survive reliably here in Phoenix, zone 9b. So I use a large container. It takes a while to build up enough mass to bloom well. In a small pot you may get a spike every few years. I suspect it would rarely bloom in anything smaller than a "1 gallon" pot. If the leaves die down from frost or dormancy it is unlikely to bloom the following summer unless growing conditions are excellent. I believe it is considered in the agave family and it has the same growth habit - a rosette growing for multiple years until big enough to flower, then dying after flowering (monocarpic) but carrying on from the many offsets. Until there are plenty of offsets and all the foliage is quite large there will not be much bloom. It also requires high summer temperatures (from most people's perspective) and a lot more nitrogen fertilizer than most people seem to use. If your growing area is warm enough it will grow all year. Dormancy is certainly not obligatory and is actually undesirable--an adaptation by the plant to unhappy conditions. But most people who grow in cold-winter climates don't have space to overwinter the plant in leaf in a sufficiently warm and sunny spot. To further the problem, the bulbs I've seen sold in the last 10-15 years are all very small and have next to no chance of flowering that year or the next. I'm not trying to discourage anybody from growing it--I wouldn't be without it because of the incredible fragrance. But it needs more care than most people give it for best results. Leo Martin Phoenix Arizona USA From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Sun Apr 24 20:41:47 2011 Message-Id: <20110424204146.2968@web003.roc2.bluetie.com> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Polianthes tuberosa Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 20:41:46 -0400 Dennis and others, Polianthes culture has come up on this list before - there is plenty of information out there. Polianthes tuberosa is not reliably hardy here in zone 7 Maryland unless very carefully sited (i.e. next to a sunny wall). But that position is not really a good choice for this plant because it's likely to be in the rain shadow of the house and the tuberose responds very well to copious water. In fact, if you are growing the plant under the sort of conditions which will eventually require that you dig them for the winter for storage indoors, I would suggest that they be grown during the summer outside on a dung heap which is watered frequently. If they are in a pot, place the pot at the edge of a pond or keep it on a saucer of water. When they are in active growth I don't think you can give them too much water, and they definitely respond well to rich conditions. Although it's closely enough related to Agave to hybridize, the sort of growing conditions usually associated with Agave are not really what this plant needs when it is in active growth. Jim McKenney From ksayce@willapabay.org Sun Apr 24 22:33:05 2011 Message-Id: <7890E8AF-ED20-40DB-8948-2BFCEB79B99C@willapabay.org> From: Kathleen Sayce Subject: bulbs in cold frame Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 19:33:01 -0700 After one winter with a cold frame, I am reporting that species that prefer less than 20 inches of rain during cold weather are much happier when kept drier. For the first time, I have cheerful Calochortus plants, and a thriving Eremerus seedling. Iris magnifica looks happier, and might flower next year. A few bulbs are gone, but I suspect that damp conditions before they went into the cold frame are responsible. I'm planning on keeping Cymbidiums in the frame for the summer, to let them get a bit more heat and set some flowering shoots. Last summer was so cool that for the first time in decades, none of mine set flowers. This is a slippery slope: I can see that a cold greenhouse would be even more useful, and then, a heated greenhouse, so as to grow just about anything bulbous. I'll try to hold off on the rest for a few more years. ; -) Kathleen Pacific Northwest Coast, zone 7-8, wet winters and dryish summers From Gardenersfriend@sasktel.net Mon Apr 25 02:58:14 2011 Message-Id: <7E20D15643404B078B93749F01F42D50@LesliePC> From: Gardenersfriend@sasktel.net Subject: Allium zebdenense Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 00:50:34 -0600 Yes, this little beauty is very hardy and does seed although sparing into the garden. Jim in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan Zone 2-3 From prvs=1096ff9e2c=contact@bulbargence.com Mon Apr 25 03:02:13 2011 Message-Id: From: "contact" Subject: Allium zebdanense Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 08:56:57 +0200 Dear all, A. zebdanense complements very well A neopolitanum as its flowering follows immediately after it. Makes tidy close clumps is a real stayer, but does not become invasive. Greetings Lauw de Jager South of France www.bulbargence.com -----Original Message----- I keep on loving this tiny onion, but never get around to praising it totally. It is a winner. I don't often see these available and probably because they are so tiny. I can completely recommend this tiny bulb for a spot in your garden where you'll see it early in spring for full appreciation. A winner. From silverhill@yebo.co.za Mon Apr 25 07:16:05 2011 Message-Id: <1452D89A916E47C69C6B508CCD480414@Server01> From: "Rachel Saunders" Subject: south african amaryllids Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:10:43 +0200 The selling of plants rescued from development sites is illegal in South Africa, so I suggest that you do not support this company. Regards Rachel Saunders Silverhill Seeds and Books Tel: +27 21 762 4245 Fax: +27 21 797 6609 PO Box 53108, Kenilworth, 7745 South Africa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alberto Castillo" To: "Pacific Bulb Society" Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [pbs] south african amaryllids > > They rescue bulbs to sell them? This is the world upside down! I would > encourage every one not to support this aberrhation > > >> I am still waiting for my payee bulbs from last year >> from this seller >> and I am not the only one >> >> PM my personal if you want to know more >> >> Roland >> >> >> >> 2011/3/16 Kipp McMichael : >> > >> > Greetings, >> > >> > A South African nursery from whom I regularly purchase bulbs has >> > informed me >> that they have a large allotment of rescue bulbs from sites in the >> northern, >> western Cape. The list of bulbs includes: Ammocharis longifolia, >> Ammocharis >> coranica, Boophane haemanthoides, Boophone disticha, Brunsvigia >> bosmaniae, >> Brunsvigia gregaria, Brunsvigia orientalis, Gethyllis afra, Gethyllis >> linearis, >> Haemanthus humilis and Haemanthus pubescens. These are all large, mature >> bulbs. >> Please send me a note off-list and I can give you the pricelist and >> contact >> information of the seller. >> > >> > -|> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > pbs mailing list >> > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> R de Boer >> La Maugardiere 1 >> F 27260 EPAIGNES >> FRANCE >> >> Phone./Fax 0033-232-576-204 >> Email: bulborum@gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From bulborum@gmail.com Mon Apr 25 07:25:50 2011 Message-Id: From: bulborum botanicum Subject: south african amaryllids Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:25:49 +0200 I am still waiting for my (grown) bulbs from this nursery bought and paid one year ago 'd oblong Andrew Lovell Cape Town who says he just moved his nursery last year Roland > Subject: Re: [pbs] south african amaryllids > > > -- R de Boer La Maugardiere 1 F 27260 EPAIGNES FRANCE Phone./Fax 0033-232-576-204 Email: bulborum@gmail.com From jshields@indy.net Mon Apr 25 08:32:09 2011 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20110425082518.02d0bb98@pop.indy.net> From: "J.E. Shields" Subject: Polianthes tuberosa Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 08:31:49 -0400 The comments by folks, particularly Leo and Jim McK., show why my Polianthes bloomed only sporadically at best! Back when I grew them, any plants I grew either had to be hardy outdoors in the ground here in central Indiana or they had to survive dry winter storage, often just barely above freezing. My Polianthes had to endure dry storage in winter. They would clearly have been much better off in a greenhouse. If I recall correctly, under my conditions they did produce huge numbers of tiny offshoots. Jim Shields At 08:41 PM 4/24/2011 -0400, you wrote: >....... >Polianthes tuberosa is not reliably hardy here in zone 7 Maryland unless >very carefully sited (i.e. next to a sunny wall). But that position is not >really a good choice for this plant because it's likely to be in the rain >shadow of the house and the tuberose responds very well to copious water. >....... >Jim McKenney ************************************************* Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Tel. ++1-317-867-3344 From kimcmich@hotmail.com Mon Apr 25 11:51:42 2011 Message-Id: From: Kipp McMichael Subject: south african amaryllids Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 08:51:40 -0700 Greetings, This is very disappointing to hear. I have already received bulbs from this company and now it seems they are not as reputable as I had every reason to believe previously. At least my intent for these bulbs is propagation. It is unfortunate how fraught with unintended harm the exotic bulb hobby can be... -| From: silverhill@yebo.co.za > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:10:43 +0200 > Subject: Re: [pbs] south african amaryllids > > The selling of plants rescued from development sites is illegal in South > Africa, so I suggest that you do not support this company. > Regards > Rachel Saunders > Silverhill Seeds and Books > Tel: +27 21 762 4245 > Fax: +27 21 797 6609 > PO Box 53108, > Kenilworth, > 7745 South Africa > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alberto Castillo" > To: "Pacific Bulb Society" > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 7:14 PM > Subject: Re: [pbs] south african amaryllids > > > > > > They rescue bulbs to sell them? This is the world upside down! I would > > encourage every one not to support this aberrhation > > > > > >> I am still waiting for my payee bulbs from last year > >> from this seller > >> and I am not the only one > >> > >> PM my personal if you want to know more > >> > >> Roland > >> > >> > >> > >> 2011/3/16 Kipp McMichael : > >> > > >> > Greetings, > >> > > >> > A South African nursery from whom I regularly purchase bulbs has > >> > informed me > >> that they have a large allotment of rescue bulbs from sites in the > >> northern, > >> western Cape. The list of bulbs includes: Ammocharis longifolia, > >> Ammocharis > >> coranica, Boophane haemanthoides, Boophone disticha, Brunsvigia > >> bosmaniae, > >> Brunsvigia gregaria, Brunsvigia orientalis, Gethyllis afra, Gethyllis > >> linearis, > >> Haemanthus humilis and Haemanthus pubescens. These are all large, mature > >> bulbs. > >> Please send me a note off-list and I can give you the pricelist and > >> contact > >> information of the seller. > >> > > >> > -| >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > pbs mailing list > >> > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > >> > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > >> > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> R de Boer > >> La Maugardiere 1 > >> F 27260 EPAIGNES > >> FRANCE > >> > >> Phone./Fax 0033-232-576-204 > >> Email: bulborum@gmail.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> pbs mailing list > >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> pbs mailing list > >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From ds429@comcast.net Mon Apr 25 12:10:39 2011 Message-Id: <2084083173.402105.1303747351477.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> From: ds429@comcast.net Subject: Polianthes tuberosa Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 16:02:31 +0000 (UTC) I have grown these in the ground and have had pretty good bloom success. I dug them and stored them dry in winter, and replanted them in early summer. More recently, I have grown them in a large pot outdoors in the summer with much water and inside the cool greenhouse without any water in the winter, still in the same pot. They have continued to bloom each year for 4 or 5 yrs. They bloom for me in late August. Dell Dell Sherk, SE Pennsylvania Zone 6 From ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com Mon Apr 25 13:18:26 2011 Message-Id: From: Alberto Castillo Subject: south african amaryllids Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:18:23 +0000 Kipp, if you are supporting the plundering of wild plants or animals it is irrelevant if they are for propagation or not. Paying for this material only encourages further plundering and it has been so forever. Again, I am puzzled by this search of new sources when there are several that are proven and known for a long time. > Greetings, > > This is very disappointing to hear. I have already received bulbs from this company and now it seems they are not as reputable as I had every reason to believe previously. At least my intent for these bulbs is propagation. It is unfortunate how fraught with unintended harm the exotic bulb hobby can be... > > -| > > From: silverhill@yebo.co.za > > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:10:43 +0200 > > Subject: Re: [pbs] south african amaryllids > > > > The selling of plants rescued from development sites is illegal in South > > Africa, so I suggest that you do not support this company. > > Regards > > Rachel Saunders > > Silverhill Seeds and Books > > Tel: +27 21 762 4245 > > Fax: +27 21 797 6609 > > PO Box 53108, > > Kenilworth, > > 7745 South Africa > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alberto Castillo" > > To: "Pacific Bulb Society" > > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 7:14 PM > > Subject: Re: [pbs] south african amaryllids > > > > > > > > > > They rescue bulbs to sell them? This is the world upside down! I would > > > encourage every one not to support this aberrhation > > > > > > > > >> I am still waiting for my payee bulbs from last year > > >> from this seller > > >> and I am not the only one > > >> > > >> PM my personal if you want to know more > > >> > > >> Roland > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> 2011/3/16 Kipp McMichael : > > >> > > > >> > Greetings, > > >> > > > >> > A South African nursery from whom I regularly purchase bulbs has > > >> > informed me > > >> that they have a large allotment of rescue bulbs from sites in the > > >> northern, > > >> western Cape. The list of bulbs includes: Ammocharis longifolia, > > >> Ammocharis > > >> coranica, Boophane haemanthoides, Boophone disticha, Brunsvigia > > >> bosmaniae, > > >> Brunsvigia gregaria, Brunsvigia orientalis, Gethyllis afra, Gethyllis > > >> linearis, > > >> Haemanthus humilis and Haemanthus pubescens. These are all large, mature > > >> bulbs. > > >> Please send me a note off-list and I can give you the pricelist and > > >> contact > > >> information of the seller. > > >> > > > >> > -| > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > pbs mailing list > > >> > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > >> > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > >> > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> R de Boer > > >> La Maugardiere 1 > > >> F 27260 EPAIGNES > > >> FRANCE > > >> > > >> Phone./Fax 0033-232-576-204 > > >> Email: bulborum@gmail.com > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> pbs mailing list > > >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> pbs mailing list > > >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > pbs mailing list > > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From klazina1@gmail.com Mon Apr 25 19:14:39 2011 Message-Id: <4DB6005B.2010704@gmail.com> From: Ina Crossley Subject: Cyrtanthus Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 11:14:35 +1200 Do Cyrtanthus in the wild have a dormant period over winter? I have Cyrtanthus Venus, which I have kept dry. The pot is almost bone dry, yet the bulbs show little sign of going dormant. It is zone 9-10 here, so am wondering if Cyrtanthus go dormant in the wild. Also I have some year old seedlings of Cyrtanthus Brachyscyphus. Should they be allowed to carry on growing this first winter? That is if the Cyrtanthus do have a naturally dormant period. Ina Crossley where everything is settling in for our winter, wet and windy. From msittner@mcn.org Mon Apr 25 20:24:58 2011 Message-Id: <20110426002453.CF253E8B8B@lists.ibiblio.org> From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: Cyrtanthus Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:24:38 -0700 Hi Ina, Cyrtanthus comes from both winter and summer rainfall areas and the different species have different requirements. Some of them definitely go dormant. Cyrtanthus was the topic of the week once and we have links to the introductions for it on the wiki Cyrtanthus page. There is also a link to an article written by Graham Duncan on this genus as well. My C. brachyscyphus never completely go dormant even though I water them much less during winter and then step up the watering when I can see they are starting to send up scapes. I think you'll find some very useful information if you check out the introductions, the wiki Cyrtanthus pages, and the article we have linked. Mary Sue From janemcgary@earthlink.net Mon Apr 25 20:29:23 2011 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Bellevalia webbiana Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:29:16 -0700 To reply to the question of the identity of Jim McKenney's photo of a plant he is growing as Bellevalia webbiana, and which he presumably bought from me, I can report that my plants under this name were grown from Archibalds' seed no. 228.410, origin Italy. I would assume that they verified the name. However, it's also possible that there has been some mix-up, since Jim McKenney had the habit of ordering one bulb each of just about everything on my list. I might have grabbed the wrong bag of bulbs, or he might have put the label on the wrong plant, or confusion may have entered somewhere else along the way. I can't check the plant against descriptions just now because most of my Bellevalia species are not yet in flower in this very cold spring season. The only one I see now is B. pycnantha -- the real thing, not the Muscari some Dutch suppliers are sending out under that name. Jane McGary From kimcmich@hotmail.com Mon Apr 25 20:30:59 2011 Message-Id: From: Kipp McMichael Subject: south african amaryllids Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:30:57 -0700 Greetings, Now that Ms. Saunders has stated unequivocally that selling rescue bulbs is illegal in South Africa, I will inquire further into the situation of the supplier who offered these bulbs. I was under the impression that the South African government does have in place procedures that allow limited sale of properly documented rescue material (such is the case here in the US, for instance). Hopefully I can uncover whether these truly are rescue bulbs, rather than merely poached bulbs being sold with a rescue cover story. The money to be made in selling rescue bulbs can, on the one hand, encourage people to plunder bulbs under no threat. It can also, however, allow excess capacity (and by all measures development in South Africa continues to outpace the ability for conservators to relocate threatened plants) to be dispersed to those with an interest in establishing non-wild sources for these bulbs. All South African suppliers, both those "proven and known for a long time" and those who prove to be disreputable, require payment for their merchandise. In dealing with foreign suppliers, a certain amount of trust is necessary for any kind of trade to occur. The best that we can do is to take note of and selectively patronize those who display ethical business practices. To put it another way, I will not choose to be party to supporting, directly or indirectly, the indiscriminate plundering of wild populations of any of the plants I grow. I am not troubled, however, by the notion that ethically rescued bulbs may sometimes be sold to interested parties. -| From: ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:18:23 +0000 > Subject: Re: [pbs] south african amaryllids > > > Kipp, if you are supporting the plundering of wild plants or animals it is irrelevant if they are for propagation or not. Paying for this material only encourages further plundering and it has been so forever. > > > Again, I am puzzled by this search of new sources when there are several that are proven and known for a long time. > > > > Greetings, > > > > This is very disappointing to hear. I have already received bulbs from this company and now it seems they are not as reputable as I had every reason to believe previously. At least my intent for these bulbs is propagation. It is unfortunate how fraught with unintended harm the exotic bulb hobby can be... > > > > -| > > > > From: silverhill@yebo.co.za > > > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > > Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:10:43 +0200 > > > Subject: Re: [pbs] south african amaryllids > > > > > > The selling of plants rescued from development sites is illegal in South > > > Africa, so I suggest that you do not support this company. > > > Regards > > > Rachel Saunders > > > Silverhill Seeds and Books > > > Tel: +27 21 762 4245 > > > Fax: +27 21 797 6609 > > > PO Box 53108, > > > Kenilworth, > > > 7745 South Africa > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Alberto Castillo" > > > To: "Pacific Bulb Society" > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 7:14 PM > > > Subject: Re: [pbs] south african amaryllids > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They rescue bulbs to sell them? This is the world upside down! I would > > > > encourage every one not to support this aberrhation > > > > > > > > > > > >> I am still waiting for my payee bulbs from last year > > > >> from this seller > > > >> and I am not the only one > > > >> > > > >> PM my personal if you want to know more > > > >> > > > >> Roland > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> 2011/3/16 Kipp McMichael : > > > >> > > > > >> > Greetings, > > > >> > > > > >> > A South African nursery from whom I regularly purchase bulbs has > > > >> > informed me > > > >> that they have a large allotment of rescue bulbs from sites in the > > > >> northern, > > > >> western Cape. The list of bulbs includes: Ammocharis longifolia, > > > >> Ammocharis > > > >> coranica, Boophane haemanthoides, Boophone disticha, Brunsvigia > > > >> bosmaniae, > > > >> Brunsvigia gregaria, Brunsvigia orientalis, Gethyllis afra, Gethyllis > > > >> linearis, > > > >> Haemanthus humilis and Haemanthus pubescens. These are all large, mature > > > >> bulbs. > > > >> Please send me a note off-list and I can give you the pricelist and > > > >> contact > > > >> information of the seller. > > > >> > > > > >> > -| > > >> > > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > > >> > pbs mailing list > > > >> > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > > >> > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > >> > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> R de Boer > > > >> La Maugardiere 1 > > > >> F 27260 EPAIGNES > > > >> FRANCE > > > >> > > > >> Phone./Fax 0033-232-576-204 > > > >> Email: bulborum@gmail.com > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> pbs mailing list > > > >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > > >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> pbs mailing list > > > >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > > >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > pbs mailing list > > > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > pbs mailing list > > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pbs mailing list > > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com Mon Apr 25 20:53:12 2011 Message-Id: From: Alberto Castillo Subject: Bellevalia webbiana Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 00:53:10 +0000 Jane and Jim: The question is that if the real webbiana is in cultivation. B. romana is offered in seed catalogues as B. hackellii and B. webbiana and it invariably turns to be romana. > Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:29:16 -0700 > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > From: janemcgary@earthlink.net > Subject: [pbs] Bellevalia webbiana > > To reply to the question of the identity of Jim McKenney's photo of a > plant he is growing as Bellevalia webbiana, and which he presumably > bought from me, I can report that my plants under this name were > grown from Archibalds' seed no. 228.410, origin Italy. I would assume > that they verified the name. However, it's also possible that there > has been some mix-up, since Jim McKenney had the habit of ordering > one bulb each of just about everything on my list. I might have > grabbed the wrong bag of bulbs, or he might have put the label on the > wrong plant, or confusion may have entered somewhere else along the way. > > I can't check the plant against descriptions just now because most of > my Bellevalia species are not yet in flower in this very cold spring > season. The only one I see now is B. pycnantha -- the real thing, not > the Muscari some Dutch suppliers are sending out under that name. > > Jane McGary > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From klazina1@gmail.com Mon Apr 25 21:46:28 2011 Message-Id: <4DB623F2.3010908@gmail.com> From: Ina Crossley Subject: Cyrtanthus Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:46:26 +1200 Thank you Mary Sue. Not always does it mention if plants go dormant, but it looks like most of them don't. I find it interesting that I bought the Cyrtanthus Venus bulbs locally. They were growing in a pot on a shaded table with large trees around. The soil was very wet, yet it was flowering. But now have a better idea of what to expect after reading the Wiki page and the links. And your comment about the C brachyscyphus. Ina On 26/04/2011 12:24 p.m., Mary Sue Ittner wrote: > Hi Ina, > > Cyrtanthus comes from both winter and summer rainfall areas and the > different species have different requirements. Some of them > definitely go dormant. Cyrtanthus was the topic of the week once and > we have links to the introductions for it on the wiki Cyrtanthus page. > > There is also a link to an article written by Graham Duncan on this > genus as well. > > My C. brachyscyphus never completely go dormant even though I water > them much less during winter and then step up the watering when I can > see they are starting to send up scapes. > > I think you'll find some very useful information if you check out the > introductions, the wiki Cyrtanthus pages, and the article we have linked. > > Mary Sue > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com Tue Apr 26 09:36:37 2011 Message-Id: From: Alberto Castillo Subject: Cyrtanthus Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:40:27 +0000 Maybe plants don't go really dormant, but most bulbs do. If you do not respect their dormancy (rest) period, you kill them. Perhaps your Cyrtanthus 'Venus' is not a hybrid between species but a selection of C. mackenii, of which there are several stunning color forms. That it is evergreen and tolerant of shade points in that direction. What you did is basically right: if the plant felt like going dormant leaves would start going yellow and then brown. If the plant were really trying to go to sleep and watering was not discontinued the bulb could rot from the roots up. Now that you see it remains green water must not be discontinued whatsoever although in winter new leaves will not be probably produced until spring. From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Tue Apr 26 09:39:36 2011 Message-Id: <20110426091851.20958@web001.roc2.bluetie.com> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Iris japonica 'Eco Improved' and 'Eco Easter' Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 09:18:51 -0400 There is a plant making the rounds of local gardens under the name Iris japonica 'Eco Improved'. In the old days Iris japonica was not thought of as being winter hardy in this USDA zone 7 area, so I did some Googling to check out the history of this plant. What I learned is that there are two names being used for forms of Iris japonica with "Eco" as part of the name, 'Eco Improved' and 'Eco Easter'. Are 'Eco Improved' and 'Eco Easter' the same plant? I would like to submit an image for the wiki, but now I'm unsure of the name. Jim McKenney From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Tue Apr 26 09:36:15 2011 Message-Id: <20110426092304.12698@web002.roc2.bluetie.com> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Paeonia japonica Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 09:23:04 -0400 Paeonia japonica bloomed yesterday; this morning the petals were all on the ground. It was hot yesterday, at least 85 degrees F for hours. The house got hot, and with the humidity it was very uncomfortable while trying to get to sleep at night. And the peony called it quits in one day. Jim McKenney From totototo@telus.net Tue Apr 26 12:37:04 2011 Message-Id: <4DB68DC7.23166.872833E@localhost> From: totototo@telus.net Subject: Iris japonica 'Eco Improved' and 'Eco Easter' Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 09:17:59 -0700 On 26 Apr 2011, at 9:18, Jim McKenney wrote: > There is a plant making the rounds of local gardens under the name Iris japo= > nica 'Eco Improved'. In the old days Iris japonica was not thought of as bei= ng > winter hardy in this USDA zone 7 area, so I did some Googling to check ou= t the > history of this plant. = > > > What I learned is that there are two names being used for forms of Iris japo= > nica with "Eco" as part of the name, 'Eco Improved' and 'Eco Easter'. = > > > Are 'Eco Improved' and 'Eco Easter' the same plant? I'm 99.44% certain that 'Eco anything' all comes out of the same breeding program or nursery. Unfortunately, the prefix Eco is so widely used in business names, quack products and programs, and similar that Google is of no help establishing the truth. -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada From dkramb@gmail.com Tue Apr 26 13:07:32 2011 Message-Id: From: Dennis Kramb Subject: Iris japonica 'Eco Improved' and 'Eco Easter' Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:07:30 -0400 I *think* the 'Eco' irises originated from Nearly Native Nursery in Georgia. There are many 'Eco' irises on the market, generally species like cristata & verna. I wouldn't be surprised if there are some 'Eco' japanoicas now too. Dennis in Cincy (who kind of likes irises, a little bit) ;-) On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 12:17 PM, wrote: > > I'm 99.44% certain that 'Eco anything' all comes out of the same breeding > program or nursery. Unfortunately, the prefix Eco is so widely used in > business > names, quack products and programs, and similar that Google is of no help > establishing the truth. > > > -- > Rodger Whitlock > Victoria, British Columbia, Canada > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From SRS0=4Z/q18=XS=johnlonsdale.net=john@eigbox.net Tue Apr 26 13:40:42 2011 Message-Id: <005a01cc0434$cd4eb640$67ec22c0$@net> From: "John T Lonsdale" Subject: Iris japonica 'Eco Improved' and 'Eco Easter' Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:10:10 -0400 The 'Eco" prefixed plants originated from Don Jacobs in Decatur Georgia. How distinct and worthy of naming some of the introductions are is a matter for personal opinion. Best, J. John T Lonsdale PhD 407 Edgewood Drive, Exton, Pennsylvania 19341, USA Home: 610 594 9232 Cell: 484 678 9856 Fax: 315 571 9232 Visit "Edgewood" - The Lonsdale Garden at http://www.edgewoodgardens.net USDA Zone 6b From tim@gingerwoodnursery.com Tue Apr 26 13:36:06 2011 Message-Id: From: Tim Chapman Subject: Iris japonica 'Eco Improved' and 'Eco Easter' Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:28:04 -0500 Don't know if Nearly Native is related, but the Eco Easter is supposed to be from Don Jacobs of Eco Gardens in Atlanta. Tim Chapman On Apr 26, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Dennis Kramb wrote: > I *think* the 'Eco' irises originated from Nearly Native Nursery in > Georgia. There are many 'Eco' irises on the market, generally species like > cristata & verna. I wouldn't be surprised if there are some 'Eco' > japanoicas now too. > > Dennis in Cincy (who kind of likes irises, a little bit) ;-) > > > On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 12:17 PM, wrote: > >> >> I'm 99.44% certain that 'Eco anything' all comes out of the same breeding >> program or nursery. Unfortunately, the prefix Eco is so widely used in >> business >> names, quack products and programs, and similar that Google is of no help >> establishing the truth. >> >> >> -- >> Rodger Whitlock >> Victoria, British Columbia, Canada >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >> > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From alanidae@gmail.com Tue Apr 26 13:45:06 2011 Message-Id: From: Alani Davis Subject: Iris japonica 'Eco Improved' and 'Eco Easter' Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:45:04 -0400 Eco-Gardens PO Box 1227, Decatur, GA 30031 Telephone: (404) 294 6468 Strains selected by Don Jacobs. Specialities: Wide range of choice perennials, especially woodland plants. -- Alani Davis From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Tue Apr 26 15:13:56 2011 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: Iris japonica 'Eco' etc Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:13:49 -0500 >Eco-Gardens >PO Box 1227, Decatur, GA 30031 >Telephone: (404) 294 6468 >Strains selected by Don Jacobs. Dear PBSers, Don Jacobs released a number of perennials in a variety of genera with the "Eco" prefix. Few of the iris were registered with the American Iris Society, but 'Eco Easter' is one of those. Take a look at: http://wiki.irises.org/bin/view/Spec/SpecEcoEaster I doubt that 'Eco Improved' is a valid name for registration purposes. Best Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + From jimmckenney@jimmckenney.com Tue Apr 26 15:39:31 2011 Message-Id: <20110426153930.18276@web001.roc2.bluetie.com> From: "Jim McKenney" Subject: Iris japonica 'Eco' etc Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 15:39:30 -0400 Jim W., help me understand what you mean when you say "Few of the iris were registered with the American Iris Society, but 'Eco Easter' is one of those." Are you saying that 'Eco Easter' "is one of those few which are registered? The link you provided indicates (if I'm reading it correctly) that 'Eco Easter' is not registered. I'm confused. And can anyone confirm that Jacobs introduced a cultivar with the name 'Eco Improved' and another cultivar with the name 'Eco Easter'? Jim McKenney From klazina1@gmail.com Tue Apr 26 16:14:54 2011 Message-Id: <4DB727BE.3050800@gmail.com> From: Ina Crossley Subject: Cyrtanthus Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 08:14:54 +1200 Thank you Alberto. Pieter said that Cyrtanthus Venus was "created by" Hadeco, so is a hybrid, but with possibly C. mackenii as a parent? And C. brachyscyphus according to the Wiki, is found in moist grassland or rocky streambanks and is often evergreen in cultivation. I should have checked the Wiki earlier.... On 27/04/2011 12:40 a.m., Alberto Castillo wrote: > Maybe plants don't go really dormant, but most bulbs do. If you do not respect their dormancy (rest) period, you kill them. > > Perhaps your Cyrtanthus 'Venus' is not a hybrid between species but a selection of C. mackenii, of which there are several stunning color forms. That it is evergreen and tolerant of shade points in that direction. > > What you did is basically right: if the plant felt like going dormant leaves would start going yellow and then brown. If the plant were really trying to go to sleep and watering was not discontinued the bulb could rot from the roots up. Now that you see it remains green water must not be discontinued whatsoever although in winter new leaves will not be probably produced until spring. > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From klazina1@gmail.com Tue Apr 26 17:29:41 2011 Message-Id: <4DB73945.1070108@gmail.com> From: Ina Crossley Subject: Double Red Hippeastrum Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 09:29:41 +1200 http://www.flickr.com/photos/plantlover/5658645043/in/photostream I recently bought this Hippeastrum as "Red Amaryllis" at a local plant nursery. I asked the shop assistant if she would find out the full name and explained that it actually was called a Hippeastrum. Have just been talking with her as she checked and the growers got the bulbs in a consignment just labelled "mixed red Amaryllis". Doesn't say much for the growers, however, I would like to know the name of this dwarf Hippeastrum. There is no white on the flower, it is pure red. The flower is 20cms tall (8") Ina Crossley From npublici@yahoo.com Tue Apr 26 17:37:06 2011 Message-Id: <231397.22827.qm@web59701.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> From: Del Allegood Subject: Double Red Hippeastrum Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Your Hybrid Hippeastrum appears to resemble Cherry Nymph which has eight inch flowers,however it is not miniature.It may be an unnamed variety.It is quite pretty,whatever it is. Del ________________________________ From: Ina Crossley To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Sent: Tue, April 26, 2011 5:29:41 PM Subject: [pbs] re Double Red Hippeastrum http://www.flickr.com/photos/plantlover/5658645043/in/photostream I recently bought this Hippeastrum as "Red Amaryllis" at a local plant nursery. I asked the shop assistant if she would find out the full name and explained that it actually was called a Hippeastrum. Have just been talking with her as she checked and the growers got the bulbs in a consignment just labelled "mixed red Amaryllis". Doesn't say much for the growers, however, I would like to know the name of this dwarf Hippeastrum. There is no white on the flower, it is pure red. The flower is 20cms tall (8") Ina Crossley From ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com Tue Apr 26 17:58:59 2011 Message-Id: From: Alberto Castillo Subject: Cyrtanthus Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 21:58:58 +0000 Ina, the wiki is a fantastic resource, with so many photos taken in nature. The habitat information you find in it is very useful to adjust one's conditions to what the plants are "built" to. Hadeco was to be a great source for first class garden bulbs. I assume they are the same these days. From ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com Tue Apr 26 18:04:34 2011 Message-Id: From: Alberto Castillo Subject: Double Red Hippeastrum Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 22:04:33 +0000 The lenght of the stem may be misleading; if the bulb was kept too dry before potting the flower would open abnormally close to the ground/pot level. > The flower is 20cms tall (8") > From klazina1@gmail.com Tue Apr 26 18:14:31 2011 Message-Id: <4DB743C7.9060203@gmail.com> From: Ina Crossley Subject: Double Red Hippeastrum Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 10:14:31 +1200 As I saw the same grower's single red Hippeastrum flowers in another Plantbarn nursery, which were full size tall, I think this one really is a dwarf, as they would have treated them the same presumably. Seeing they were grown from a consignment of "mixed Red Amaryllis". On 27/04/2011 10:04 a.m., Alberto Castillo wrote: > The lenght of the stem may be misleading; if the bulb was kept too dry before potting the flower would open abnormally close to the ground/pot level. > > > >> The flower is 20cms tall (8") >> > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From jshields@indy.net Tue Apr 26 18:54:13 2011 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20110426184855.05091608@pop.indy.net> From: "J.E. Shields" Subject: Double Red Hippeastrum Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 18:54:12 -0400 Ina, Once the connection between plant and name is broken, you can't reconnect it. It seems most likely to me that there is no cultivar name that could reasonably be associated with your bulb. But I'd guess your bulb and the batch it came from probably never had formal cultivar names. Enjoy it for itself, or make up your own name for your plant. Jim Shields ************************************************* Jim Shields USDA Zone 5 P.O. Box 92 WWW: http://www.shieldsgardens.com/ Westfield, Indiana 46074, USA Tel. ++1-317-867-3344 From janemcgary@earthlink.net Tue Apr 26 19:49:18 2011 Message-Id: From: Jane McGary Subject: Fritillaria in California Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:49:13 -0700 I'm planning an article for "Pacific Horticulture" on growing Fritillaria species in Pacific Coast gardens, and I would welcome input from any of you who have grown these bulbs in California, especially the southern part. Many of them should do very well there, but perhaps not the ones that are in commerce. Responses, please? Jane McGary Portland, Oregon From pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org Thu Sep 15 00:30:24 2011 Message-Id: <4DB75C0A.5090502@meenglis.cts.com> From: Marguerite English Subject: Fritillaria in California Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:58:02 -0700 Natives here are Fritillaria biflora. they grow inland on a clay meadow and roadside bank nearby, and handle our 'no water in summer' climate well. I can find photos if you wish. Marguerite San Diego county, southern california. Jane McGary wrote: > I'm planning an article for "Pacific Horticulture" on growing > Fritillaria species in Pacific Coast gardens, and I would welcome > input from any of you who have grown these bulbs in California, > especially the southern part. Many of them should do very well there, > but perhaps not the ones that are in commerce. > > Responses, please? > > Jane McGary > Portland, Oregon > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > From hkoopowi@uci.edu Tue Apr 26 21:16:58 2011 Message-Id: <201104270116.p3R1Gq01007333@xsmtp1.es.uci.edu> From: Harold Koopowitz Subject: Fritillaria in California Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 18:17:05 -0700 Jane: I am now growing quite a few different species, but apart from the bulblets that I got from you several years ago. I have only been growing the others for one year. I have been busy making hybrids this year too. Not sure what info you want. Perhaps if you have specific questions? best Harold At 04:49 PM 4/26/2011, you wrote: >I'm planning an article for "Pacific Horticulture" on growing >Fritillaria species in Pacific Coast gardens, and I would welcome >input from any of you who have grown these bulbs in California, >especially the southern part. Many of them should do very well there, >but perhaps not the ones that are in commerce. > >Responses, please? > >Jane McGary >Portland, Oregon > >_______________________________________________ >pbs mailing list >pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Wed Apr 27 05:35:57 2011 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: Iris japonica 'Eco' etc Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:49:57 -0500 > > >Are you saying that 'Eco Easter' "is one of those few which are >registered? The link you provided indicates (if I'm reading it >correctly) that 'Eco Easter' is not registered. Sorry. I didn't read the details correctly. 'Eco Easter' is not registered. Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + From J.Joschko@gmx.de Wed Apr 27 01:36:33 2011 Message-Id: From: "J. Joschko" Subject: Acis fabrei Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 07:29:49 +0200 If anybody is interestet for pics of Acis fabrei from the wild so please look here : http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=7173.0 Greetings Hans From bulborum@gmail.com Wed Apr 27 01:52:35 2011 Message-Id: From: bulborum botanicum Subject: Acis fabrei Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 07:52:34 +0200 Hans Did you collect also a bulb or seeds for me would be nice for the collection and good if a few people can multiply them Roland -- R de Boer La Maugardiere 1 F 27260 EPAIGNES FRANCE Phone./Fax 0033-232-576-204 Email: bulborum@gmail.com From prvs=10983eeca2=contact@bulbargence.com Wed Apr 27 02:18:10 2011 Message-Id: From: "contact" Subject: Acis fabrei Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 08:17:14 +0200 Hello Hans, Well done, you have been looking for it since 2004. I can see that mountain from here. Pity that you did not drop in to see us. Kind regards Lauw de Jager South of France www.bulbargence.com From J.Joschko@gmx.de Wed Apr 27 12:02:55 2011 Message-Id: From: "J. Joschko" Subject: Acis fabrei Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:58:09 +0200 Roland that this is a rare protected plant and I only took pictures and I would not consider removing bulbs or taking seed ! Hans From pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org Thu Sep 15 00:59:04 2011 Message-Id: <004901cc04f7$7ba2c5c0$72e85140$@net> From: "Michael Mace" Subject: Fritillaria in California Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 09:23:45 -0700 Jane wrote: >> I would welcome input from any of you who have grown these bulbs in California, especially the southern part I tried very hard to grow a number of Fritillaria species, back when seeds were easily available from the Robinetts and Northwest Native Seed. The result was almost 100% failure. I could get some of them to sprout (others not), but they dwindled over a couple of years, and I rarely even got any flowers. In particular, I tried various selections of F. glauca and F. recurva over and over, with variations in soil mix and stratification. Plus a number of other species, usually concentrating on the ones with the most unusual colors. My experience was in contrast to many Calochortus, Allium, Bloomeria, Brodiaea, which were easy to grow and maintain. I did get F. pluriflora to grow and bloom for several years, in a pot filled with heavy clay soil. It was a pretty little thing. But eventually it faded out as well. My guess is that my usual cultural practices (8-inch plastic pots, no water from dormancy until October) let the bulbs dry out too much. But again, this was okay for other California bulbs, so who knows. I will be interested to hear what other growers say, especially folks from even drier/hotter climates than me. Dr. Koopowitz, if you would care to give some info on your cultural practices, I'm all ears. Mike San Jose, CA (zone 9, min temp 20F) From ds429@comcast.net Thu Apr 28 07:18:16 2011 Message-Id: <000001cc0595$facb8690$f06293b0$@net> From: "Dell Sherk" Subject: Pacific Bx 273 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 07:17:46 -0400 Dear All, The items listed below have been donated by our members to be shared. If you are interested in obtaining some of them, please email me PRIVATELY at . Include "BX 273" in the subject line. Specify the NUMBERS of the items which you would like; do not specify quantities. It is a good idea to include your snail mail address, too, in case I don't already have it. Availability is based on a first come, first served system. When you receive your seeds/bulbs you will find, included with them, a statement of how much money (usually $2.00/item) (cash, check, or Pay Pal to ; no money orders, please) you should send the PBS treasurer to defray our costs for packing and first-class, priority-mail, or international postage. 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Tubers/plantlets of Pinellia pedatisecta, in the green From Fred Biasella: 5. Rhizomes of Iris pumila, yellow and fragrant 6. Bulbs of Cyrtanthus mackenii, yellow 7. Bulbs of xAmarine 'Zwanenberg' Thank you, Jerry and Fred !! Best wishes, Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX From Santoury@aol.com Thu Apr 28 09:15:52 2011 Message-Id: <8CDD3BD7E511A6F-12BC-CFA5@webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com> From: The Silent Seed Subject: Cyrtanthus Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 09:15:35 -0400 None of my Cyrt's go dormant, unless if let go dry. They are kept between 50 and up, degrees. I keep them slightly moist. They love it. Best, Jude From pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org Thu Sep 15 00:59:05 2011 Message-Id: <001e01cc05c3$7e458a70$7ad09f50$@net> From: "Michael Mace" Subject: Fritillaria in California Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 09:44:07 -0700 [Hmmm. I tried sending a shorter reply to this yesterday, but the message apparently did not go through. I will try one more time. Huge apologies if you get two copies of this.] Jane wrote: >> I would welcome input from any of you who have grown these bulbs in California, especially the southern part Early in my bulb-growing activities, I bought a copy of the book "Bulbs" by Philips and Rix. It has lots of photos of Fritillaria species, and I tried to grow a number of them. Almost all my efforts failed. I tried a number of the common Eurasian species, such as F. meleagris. They didn't persist more than a year, probably because California is too dry for them in summer. Same thing with F. imperialis, which never even bloomed. I tried to find damp, relatively cool places for these bulbs, but the soil here is relatively heavy clay. There is a very fine line between soil that is too dry and soil that is so wet that it makes things rot. Probably I should have tried raised beds. I also tried very hard to grow a number of California native Fritillaria species, back when seeds were easily available from the Robinetts and Northwest Native Seed. The result was almost 100% failure. I could get some of them to sprout (others not), but they dwindled over a couple of years, and I rarely got any flowers. In particular, I tried various selections of F. glauca and F. recurva over and over, with variations in soil mix and stratification. Plus a number of other species, usually concentrating on the ones with the most unusual colors. In contrast, most California bulbs such as Calochortus, Allium, Bloomeria, and Brodiaea and friends were easy to grow and maintain. I did get F. pluriflora to grow and bloom for several years, in a pot filled with heavy clay soil. It was a pretty little thing. But eventually it faded out as well. The one other temporary success I had was with one of the Asian Rhinopetalum species, probably F. stenanthera. I obtained it as a bulb from the UK, and was able to get it to bloom in a pot for a couple of years. It seemed confused by my weather, though. It bloomed very early, with buds that opened at ground level. I suspect it wanted more cold in winter. Eventually it dwindled away, alas. It was a cute thing. I'm not sure what I did wrong. My guess is that my usual cultural practices (8-inch plastic pots, no water from dormancy until October) let the bulbs dry out too much. But again, this was okay for other California bulbs, so who knows. I will be interested to hear what other growers say, especially folks from even drier/hotter climates than me. Dr. Koopowitz, if you would care to give some info on your cultural practices, I'm all ears. Mike San Jose, CA (zone 9, min temp 20F) From msittner@mcn.org Thu Sep 15 12:39:18 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1R44V7-2uwGPo-05-GBC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:39:18 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for pbs@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1R44V7-2uwGPo-05-GBC; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 05:28:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1R44V7-2uwGPo-05 for pbs@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 05:28:41 +0000 Received: from [216.150.240.86] (helo=smtp2.mcn.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1R44V7-0000x2-CH for pbs@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Sep 2011 05:28:41 +0000 Received: from [24.52.180.160] (helo=MSIhomeHP.mcn.org) by smtp2.mcn.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1R44Tt-0006QL-4y; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 22:27:25 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 22:27:24 -0700 To: Recipient list suppressed:; From: Mary Sue Ittner Subject: pbs list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=rZFpNS_a_yIA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=aFBr63R90Zqda9GcMZcA:9 a=fkYFy-hj_SvxpIu7GUsA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Hi, I apologize to those of you who are subscribed to the pbs list, but are set not to get email, but I don't have time to figure out who you are. This message is to let you know that this afternoon the pbs list started delivering messages from April 2011 on. We're not sure what is happening and haven't figured out if any of these are new messages. It appears that many of them are messages sent earlier that never made it to the list members or to the archives. In addition we administrators are getting a huge volume of spam, sometimes directly and sometimes being held since it is from people not subscribed to the list. Some of it is from some of you who were subscribed, but using the wrong email address. We have opened a help ticket with ibiblio, but in the meantime I have put the whole list on emergency moderation. Messages keep appearing, but so far they are only up to July so even though I sent a message explaining this, it has not come through. We will need to decide whether it is worthwhile to approve messages now long out of date. In the meantime, please don't post to the list. We know there is a problem. Once we have sorted it out and they are caught up, I'll send an all clear message to the list and then you can post again. Thanks for your cooperation. Mary Sue From klazina1@gmail.com Thu Apr 28 15:52:06 2011 Message-Id: <4DB9C564.3050602@gmail.com> From: Ina Crossley Subject: Cyrtanthus Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 07:52:04 +1200 Thanks Jude, I had already decided to keep them going, but water little, just enough to keep them going for the winter. Ina On 29/04/2011 1:15 a.m., The Silent Seed wrote: > None of my Cyrt's go dormant, unless if let go dry. They are kept between 50 and up, degrees. I keep them slightly moist. They love it. > Best, Jude > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From joshy46013@yahoo.com Thu Apr 28 17:14:34 2011 Message-Id: <608623.98461.qm@web121711.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Josh Young Subject: Cyrtanthus Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:14:32 -0700 (PDT) Jude,      I think dormancy is a very important part of a geophytic plants life cycle.  I've read from other experts that keeping plants evergreen that usually require a dormancy can eventually cause bulb death in some cases.  If anyone has anymore insight about this issue I'd love to hear it!      Do your plants bloom reliably?      Josh From: The Silent Seed To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [pbs] re Cyrtanthus None of my Cyrt's go dormant, unless if let go dry. They are kept between 50 and up, degrees. I keep them slightly moist. They love it. Best, Jude From aaron_floden@yahoo.com Thu Apr 28 17:23:38 2011 Message-Id: <996337.59570.qm@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: aaron floden Subject: Cyrtanthus Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:23:36 -0700 (PDT)  Species names would be helpful. In my collection those in the mackenii group (brachycyphus, tuckii, mackenii hybrids, obrienii), sanguineus, and montanus remain evergreen, but flanaganii, breviflorus, smithiae, and huttoniae go dormant no matter what I do. If I try to keep them growing I get rot from the bottom up. The same would apply to the summer growing Nerine.  Aaron  Knoxville, TN   --- On Thu, 4/28/11, The Silent Seed wrote: From: The Silent Seed Subject: Re: [pbs] re Cyrtanthus To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Date: Thursday, April 28, 2011, 9:15 PM None of my Cyrt's go dormant, unless if let go dry. They are kept between 50 and up, degrees. I keep them slightly moist. They love it. Best, Jude From klazina1@gmail.com Thu Apr 28 17:59:03 2011 Message-Id: <4DB9E328.3050805@gmail.com> From: Ina Crossley Subject: Cyrtanthus Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 09:59:04 +1200 Hello Josh It all depends on which species it is, as Aaron mentions too. One of mine is C. brachycyphus which I now know is evergreen, the other is C. Venus which is a hybrid and I can't remember off hand what one of it's likely parents is, but it is an evergreen. As I tried leaving them dry until they were almost bone dry and yet had no sign of either going dormant, I then posted my original query about Cyrtanthus. However, I will keep them from getting too wet over the winter as they would out in the open. Ina from sunny Auckland (so far it has been wind and rain and cold all week, so much appreciated sun today) On 29/04/2011 9:14 a.m., Josh Young wrote: > Jude, > > I think dormancy is a very important part of a geophytic plants life cycle. I've read from other experts that keeping plants evergreen that usually require a dormancy can eventually cause bulb death in some cases. If anyone has anymore insight about this issue I'd love to hear it! > > Do your plants bloom reliably? > > > Josh > From: The Silent Seed > To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:15 AM > Subject: Re: [pbs] re Cyrtanthus > > None of my Cyrt's go dormant, unless if let go dry. They are kept between 50 and up, degrees. I keep them slightly moist. They love it. > Best, Jude > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From ds429@comcast.net Fri Apr 29 07:14:26 2011 Message-Id: <2106046768.640066.1304075665757.JavaMail.root@sz0111a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> From: ds429@comcast.net Subject: Pacific BX 273 CLOSED Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 11:14:25 +0000 (UTC) Packages should go out after the weekend. Enjoy! Dell Dell Sherk, PBS BX From awilson@avonia.com Fri Apr 29 20:07:24 2011 Message-Id: <5698C21F6AAC4C60A7FE9020AD79E60D@Desktop> From: "AW" Subject: Iris - where does it sit? Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 17:07:31 -0700 Where would this iris fit within all the groups and sections indicated by the Wiki content? http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewrmw/5670599859/lightbox/ As a relative newcomer to growing water irises that are not included within the Pacific Coast group I imagine it should be placed under I think it might fall under Iris brevicaulis (beardless, rhizomatous). Would this be the right place? The plants grow in shallow water and, like the Pacific Coast group, are in full bloom now. The very attractive flowers stand about 2 feet above the surface. The foliage is arched up to about 18 inches. Thanks Andrew San Diego From dkramb@gmail.com Fri Apr 29 20:47:37 2011 Message-Id: From: Dennis Kramb Subject: Iris - where does it sit? Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 20:47:35 -0400 that's a louisiana iris of some sort... possibly dorothea k. williamson? i'm guessing.... On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 8:07 PM, AW wrote: > Where would this iris fit within all the groups and sections indicated by > the Wiki content? > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewrmw/5670599859/lightbox/ > > As a relative newcomer to growing water irises that are not included within > the Pacific Coast group I imagine it should be placed under I think it > might > fall under Iris brevicaulis (beardless, rhizomatous). Would this be the > right place? The plants grow in shallow water and, like the Pacific Coast > group, are in full bloom now. The very attractive flowers stand about 2 > feet > above the surface. The foliage is arched up to about 18 inches. Thanks > > Andrew > San Diego > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From tiede@pacbell.net Fri Apr 29 20:51:35 2011 Message-Id: <007a01cc06d0$b9d28e90$2d77abb0$@net> From: "Bracey Tiede" Subject: Iris - where does it sit? Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 17:51:21 -0700 We used to have a very similar iris and it was identified as Iris laevigata 'Variegata' Cheers, Bracey San Jose -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of AW Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 5:08 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: [pbs] Iris - where does it sit? Where would this iris fit within all the groups and sections indicated by the Wiki content? http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewrmw/5670599859/lightbox/ As a relative newcomer to growing water irises that are not included within the Pacific Coast group I imagine it should be placed under I think it might fall under Iris brevicaulis (beardless, rhizomatous). Would this be the right place? The plants grow in shallow water and, like the Pacific Coast group, are in full bloom now. The very attractive flowers stand about 2 feet above the surface. The foliage is arched up to about 18 inches. Thanks Andrew San Diego From alanidae@gmail.com Fri Apr 29 20:54:26 2011 Message-Id: From: Alani Davis Subject: Iris - where does it sit? Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 20:54:24 -0400 My guess would be Black Gamecock which shows a lot of Iris brevicaulis influence for a Louisiana hybrid in flower shape and size but is much darker and richer in color such as the photo shows. -- Alani Tallahassee, Florida From awilson@avonia.com Fri Apr 29 21:09:11 2011 Message-Id: <3DB32ADCC70042BBA054B19D0CDB3CB4@Desktop> From: "AW" Subject: Iris - where does it sit? Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 18:09:18 -0700 Thanks to all who have answered so far. I do not know the varietal name, but I suspect 'Black Gamecock' is a possibility. What I really wanted to know is whether it belongs to I. brevicaulis as a varietal or whether it might be a hybrid of some sort. People use the term 'Louisiana Iris' somewhat loosely. As I read it, this group includes several species. Thanks Andrew My guess would be Black Gamecock which shows a lot of Iris brevicaulis influence for a Louisiana hybrid in flower shape and size but is much darker and richer in color such as the photo shows. -- Alani Tallahassee, Florida From alanidae@gmail.com Fri Apr 29 21:38:07 2011 Message-Id: From: Alani Davis Subject: Iris - where does it sit? Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 21:38:03 -0400 I would but it with the Louisiana hybrids. Iris brevicaulis is one of the species used in those hybrids either way and I am fairly sure at least... that is it is likely to be Black Gamecock as I don't know another Louisiana hybrid that looks like this if that helps. -- > Alani Davis > Tallahassee, Florida > > > From dkramb@gmail.com Fri Apr 29 21:39:52 2011 Message-Id: From: Dennis Kramb Subject: Iris - where does it sit? Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 21:39:50 -0400 Louisiana Irises are beardless irises in the series Hexagonae. There are five species: Iris brevicaulis, Iris fulva, Iris giganticaerulea, Iris nelsonii, and Iris hexagona. And there are countless hybrids between them. All these species & hybrids are classified as "Louisianas". There's a society for them (of which I'm a life member): http://www.louisianas.org/ There's even a Facebook page for them: http://www.facebook.com/#!/LouisianaIris Yours is probably not a pure brevicaulis. It's too dark. It looks like a hybrid with fulva or nelsonii in it. It's hard to guess exactly. Are the stems heavily zig-zag shaped, like this? http://www.signa.org/index.pl?Display+Iris-brevicaulis+16 I've grown Black Gamecock and Dorothea K. Williamson, and Black Gamecock is darker. Again, it's hard to guess exactly, but B.G. wouldn't be my top pick based on your photo. Modern Louisiana hybrids are exceptionally flamboyant, as you can see here: http://iriscitygardens.com/newintroductions.html I think they are superior to tall bearded irises, and they have displaced all others as "my favorites" in my garden. Iris borer is not a problem because I grow them submerged in water. The borer larvae can't reach the rhizomes! Mwahahahaha... ;-) Dennis in Cincy (where LA irises will be blooming in a couple weeks) On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 9:09 PM, AW wrote: > Thanks to all who have answered so far. I do not know the varietal name, > but > I suspect 'Black Gamecock' is a possibility. What I really wanted to know > is > whether it belongs to I. brevicaulis as a varietal or whether it might be a > hybrid of some sort. People use the term 'Louisiana Iris' somewhat loosely. > As I read it, this group includes several species. Thanks > > Andrew > > > My guess would be Black Gamecock which shows a lot of Iris brevicaulis > influence for a Louisiana hybrid in flower shape and size but is much > darker > and richer in color such as the photo shows. > > -- > Alani > Tallahassee, Florida > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From threesisters@woosh.co.nz Fri Apr 29 22:32:00 2011 Message-Id: <8BB376C3D0274C8EAEBBD97CB2E4678C@DarlenePC> From: Subject: Iris - where does it sit? Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 14:03:19 +1200 Yes indeed, and a real beauty it is. One of the most popular Louisiana iris hybrids. Darlene Cook -----Original Message----- From: Alani Davis Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 12:54 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] Iris - where does it sit? My guess would be Black Gamecock which shows a lot of Iris brevicaulis influence for a Louisiana hybrid in flower shape and size but is much darker and richer in color such as the photo shows. -- Alani Tallahassee, Florida _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki From awilson@avonia.com Fri Apr 29 22:17:58 2011 Message-Id: From: "AW" Subject: Iris - where does it sit? Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 19:18:05 -0700 Glad to get the information. I'll look into it. I am growing these ones about five inches below water. They appear to thrive, are spreading laterally with many blooms open together. In this dry climate it is unthinkable to plant them closer to the margins and be sure that they will not suffer. That's quite different from how I treat the also very beautiful Pacific Coast group that are flourishing here after a wet and, more important, lengthy cool season. They will be allowed to go dry in a fewweeks and then take the rest of the season off. Andrew Louisiana Irises are beardless irises in the series Hexagonae. There are five species: Iris brevicaulis, Iris fulva, Iris giganticaerulea, Iris nelsonii, and Iris hexagona. And there are countless hybrids between them. All these species & hybrids are classified as "Louisianas". There's a society for them (of which I'm a life member): http://www.louisianas.org/ There's even a Facebook page for them: http://www.facebook.com/#!/LouisianaIris Yours is probably not a pure brevicaulis. It's too dark. It looks like a hybrid with fulva or nelsonii in it. It's hard to guess exactly. Are the stems heavily zig-zag shaped, like this? http://www.signa.org/index.pl?Display+Iris-brevicaulis+16 I've grown Black Gamecock and Dorothea K. Williamson, and Black Gamecock is darker. Again, it's hard to guess exactly, but B.G. wouldn't be my top pick based on your photo. Modern Louisiana hybrids are exceptionally flamboyant, as you can see here: http://iriscitygardens.com/newintroductions.html I think they are superior to tall bearded irises, and they have displaced all others as "my favorites" in my garden. Iris borer is not a problem because I grow them submerged in water. The borer larvae can't reach the rhizomes! Mwahahahaha... ;-) Dennis in Cincy (where LA irises will be blooming in a couple weeks) > Thanks to all who have answered so far. I do not know the varietal > name, but I suspect 'Black Gamecock' is a possibility. What I really > wanted to know is whether it belongs to I. brevicaulis as a varietal > or whether it might be a hybrid of some sort. People use the term > 'Louisiana Iris' somewhat loosely. > As I read it, this group includes several species. Thanks > > Andrew > > > My guess would be Black Gamecock which shows a lot of Iris brevicaulis > influence for a Louisiana hybrid in flower shape and size but is much > darker and richer in color such as the photo shows. > > -- > Alani > Tallahassee, Florida > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From fatsia1234-pbs@yahoo.com Sat Apr 30 07:34:23 2011 Message-Id: <198307.34925.qm@web120105.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: Jonathan Subject: Iris - where does it sit? Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 04:34:21 -0700 (PDT) Hello All -- I've been building a large geophyte garden At Kanapaha Botanical Gardens (Gainesville FL) for a few years, now with the help of the BX, and have been following the discussions here for a few months, learning along the way, hoping to contribute at some point -- maybe today! I agree with Alani -- it looks like Black Gamecock.  The pictures I see of Dorothea K. Williamson show much narrower petals and falls, and this picture of Black Gamecock blooming here (Alachua FL) on 4/14 looks a lot (to me) like Andrew's picture, despite the droopiness due to it being a few days into blooming. http://www.flickr.com/photos/62355127@N06/5672273122/in/photostream Jonathan From voltaire@islandnet.com Sat Apr 30 09:51:45 2011 Message-Id: From: Diane Whitehead Subject: Disneyesque flower Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 06:51:42 -0700 From Santoury@aol.com Sat Apr 30 10:00:41 2011 Message-Id: <8CDD55617EA9FEC-2498-DA08@webmail-m103.sysops.aol.com> From: The Silent Seed Subject: Disneyesque flower Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 10:00:27 -0400 There is nothing in your email. Thanks, Jude From totototo@telus.net Sat Apr 30 12:29:45 2011 Message-Id: <4DBBD687.22200.8DA41A1@localhost> From: totototo@telus.net Subject: Disneyesque flower Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 09:29:43 -0700 On 30 Apr 2011, at 10:00, The Silent Seed wrote, replying to a message from Diane Whitehead: > There is nothing in your email. > Thanks, Jude Perhaps because it was formatted only in html, which is (I believe) dropped into the bit bucket by the mailing list software, just as are attachments. -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada From awilson@avonia.com Sat Apr 30 13:44:02 2011 Message-Id: <70B9CA3F40C94E3B9C575C936BDFD41C@Desktop> From: "AW" Subject: Iris - where does it sit? Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 10:44:10 -0700 I got the help needed about where to place the genetics of this iris. Thanks to all. To help remove an issue that came up but was not really my concern I reshot another flower this morning in full sun. It is fresher and the color is more vibrant whereas the earlier one was taken with flash in the evening. I would say it is closer to 'Black Gameock' but my opinions on irid cultivars are not to be taken seriously. http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewrmw/5673125366/lightbox/ Andrew Yes indeed, and a real beauty it is. One of the most popular Louisiana iris hybrids. Darlene Cook My guess would be Black Gamecock which shows a lot of Iris brevicaulis influence for a Louisiana hybrid in flower shape and size but is much darker and richer in color such as the photo shows. -- Alani Tallahassee, Florida From jwaddick@kc.rr.com Sat Apr 30 14:10:12 2011 Message-Id: From: James Waddick Subject: Iris - where does it sit? Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 13:09:59 -0500 Dear Andrew, It can be confusing. The beardless iris are a subgenus of the genus Iris. There are 16 series including Spuria, Louisiana, Pacific Coast etc. Some of these series have as few as one species, others are bigger. You can get an idea of where these series fit in the big picture by looking up this PBS page http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/files/Iris/Iris_Summary.pdf. Ignore page 1, but look at P. 2 and following Your photo does look like 'Black Gamecock', an oldie, but goodie (Registered by Chowning in 1980). Parentage is unknown, but it reminds me of a fulva x giganticoerulea hybrid. Contray to the 'title' "Louisiana" iris, these are native from Missouri to the Carolinas, Texas to Florida and are very hardy. Although they grow best with the rhizome in water, they are dry summer tolerant once established. They also include the best red irises in the whole genus. Finally check out the Society for Louisiana Iris at http://www.louisianas.org/ Great irises. Best Jim W. -- Dr. James W. Waddick 8871 NW Brostrom Rd. Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711 USA Ph. 816-746-1949 Zone 5 Record low -23F Summer 100F + From awilson@avonia.com Sat Apr 30 15:53:10 2011 Message-Id: From: "AW" Subject: Iris - where does it sit? Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 12:53:17 -0700 Dear Dennis, The stems are not zig-zagged as those in the image referenced below show and the stems are a rather light green. But, don't worry, I've at least narrowed down the genetic provenance and learnt what a 'Louisiana iris' really is. Those were my main concerns. Andrew -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Kramb Louisiana Irises are beardless irises in the series Hexagonae. There are five species: Iris brevicaulis, Iris fulva, Iris giganticaerulea, Iris nelsonii, and Iris hexagona. And there are countless hybrids between them. All these species & hybrids are classified as "Louisianas". There's a society for them (of which I'm a life member): http://www.louisianas.org/ There's even a Facebook page for them: http://www.facebook.com/#!/LouisianaIris Yours is probably not a pure brevicaulis. It's too dark. It looks like a hybrid with fulva or nelsonii in it. It's hard to guess exactly. Are the stems heavily zig-zag shaped, like this? http://www.signa.org/index.pl?Display+Iris-brevicaulis+16 I've grown Black Gamecock and Dorothea K. Williamson, and Black Gamecock is darker. Again, it's hard to guess exactly, but B.G. wouldn't be my top pick based on your photo. Modern Louisiana hybrids are exceptionally flamboyant, as you can see here: http://iriscitygardens.com/newintroductions.html I think they are superior to tall bearded irises, and they have displaced all others as "my favorites" in my garden. Iris borer is not a problem because I grow them submerged in water. The borer larvae can't reach the rhizomes! Mwahahahaha... ;-) Dennis in Cincy (where LA irises will be blooming in a couple weeks) On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 9:09 PM, AW wrote: > Thanks to all who have answered so far. I do not know the varietal > name, but I suspect 'Black Gamecock' is a possibility. What I really > wanted to know is whether it belongs to I. brevicaulis as a varietal > or whether it might be a hybrid of some sort. People use the term > 'Louisiana Iris' somewhat loosely. > As I read it, this group includes several species. Thanks > > Andrew > > > My guess would be Black Gamecock which shows a lot of Iris brevicaulis > influence for a Louisiana hybrid in flower shape and size but is much > darker and richer in color such as the photo shows. > > -- > Alani > Tallahassee, Florida > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > From Santoury@aol.com Sat Apr 30 23:04:30 2011 Message-Id: <8CDD5C393934EC6-17DC-42A15@WEBMAIL-D145.sysops.aol.com> From: The Silent Seed Subject: Disneyesque flower Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 23:04:10 -0400 I saw no attachments or anything similar. Am I the only one ? Perhaps because it was formatted only in html, which is (I believe) dropped into the bit bucket by the mailing list software, just as are attachments. -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada From voltaire@islandnet.com Sat Apr 30 23:15:09 2011 Message-Id: From: Diane Whitehead Subject: Disneyesque flower Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 20:15:03 -0700 I guess I had better explain. Mary Sue and I have noticed a change in what the list does with messages that are sent from non-members, and ones sent from members that are too big. We decided to experiment to try to figure out what was actually happening. I posted a picture, but unfortunately it wasn't as big as I thought it was, and instead of getting stopped and put in the admin area to be dealt with, the picture was stripped off and the empty message sent to everyone. I'm sorry about that. I then sent a slightly larger photo, which did get trapped, and we are now investigating what will happen to it. You will never see an attachment - they get removed automatically before a message is distributed. Diane Whitehead On 2011-04-30, at 8:04 PM, The Silent Seed wrote: > > I saw no attachments or anything similar. Am I the only one ? > > > > > > Perhaps because it was formatted only in html, which is (I believe) dropped > into the bit bucket by the mailing list software, just as are attachments. > > > -- > Rodger Whitlock > Victoria, British Columbia, Canada > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki > > > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki >