On Jan 26, 2012, at 1:35 AM, David Fenwick wrote: > I was once asked to provide vouchers (pressed flowering material) of the > Earlham Hybrids I had to the RHS Herbarium but I felt I had to decline to do > this due to the lack of provenance for any of those I had in my collection, > and I wouldn't want the RHS Herbarium to be full of hopefulls. That said, > many, as you're well aware, are very beautiful garden worthy plants so it > shouldn't put anyone off growing them, it's just that there's a need never > to assume with some of the older ones. In my mind I personally feel that > where older heirloom varieties / hybrids cannot be absolutely proven true to > type they should be marked appropriately when offered and to potentially > improve trading standards if nothing else. Here is an example of a nursery doing exactly what you suggest: <http://woodlanders.net/index.cfm/…> Only, in this case, it is a positive thing to point out that what they sell may not be the true 'Lucifer' because it appears to be a variety very much like 'Lucifer' except that it does particularly well in the hot, humid climate of the American South. --Lee Poulsen Pasadena, California, USA - USDA Zone 10a Latitude 34°N, Altitude 1150 ft/350 m