Amarcrinum verses the goats !

Hans-Werner Hammen
Mon, 30 Jan 2012 15:13:18 PST

Obviously a misunderstanding. Afaik=Abbreviation for "As far as I know". I perceive and I admit that there occurred a "space" after the first letter, which should have effectuated this misunderstanding. I apologize!
 > Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 15:07:45 -0800
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> Subject: Re: [pbs] Amarcrinum verses the goats !
> Hans, instead of being so "incredibly rude" to me, & calling me "a faik",
> for sharing my experience with PBS members. Perhaps you should learn from
> someones experience instead of voicing your learned opinions !
> You are however correct, Amaryllids do contain Amaryllidacean Alkaloids,
> which are highly toxic to almost all species. However my goats have eaten
> my whole collection 3 times & browsed over it several other times, when
> fences have broken by falling branches etc.
> They have shown no ill effects, except in one case, i could see a notable
> effect with one large goat "Samson" he is the guts of the group & is likely
> to have eaten a much larger percentage, he was stumbling & uneasy on his
> feet for days & he appeared to have sever muscle spasms & could not control
> his neck properly, his pupils were extremely dilated for a couple of days
> especially on one side & i thought he would surly die, Vet treatment was
> with high levels of vitamin B12 & lock up with clean food, he took a few
> days to recover & is still with the remaining herd of 7 animals, but has
> shown a reduction in general health.
> I had 10 goats at the time & they ate about 30 square meters of Ameryllids !
> In addition, Lantana is highly toxic to all mammals too, i have about 20
> acres of this highly invasive feral species, which is a constant battle to
> control, it usually makes mammals photosensitive & eventually kills even
> cows in some cases, but often in rainy weather when the toxin is at high
> levels, they loose pacthes of their hair & become very sick. Boss Indicus
> species of cattle are far more tolerant.  The goats however,  have been
> eating lantana now for about 12 years & have now learnt not to eat the
> leaves most of the time, rather the consume extremely large numbers of
> flower heads & so help me reduce the plants ability to repopulate to a
> large extent. Not that i recommend this to anyone, its just that i have no
> way of controlling it ! The seeds do not pass through the goat as they
> grind everything to a fine pellet.
> Goats "Especially Cashmeres" also eat a large number of highly poisonous
> weeds & plants, including Eucalyptus leaves which are packed with poisonous
> puranic acid. They have an amassing ability to govern their eating habits
> when plants are in a highly toxic stage throughout different seasons. A
> well recorded fact....
> I would hope some members would be fascinated by my experience, & possibly
> even learn from it, rather than abusing me & being educated by Deer &
> Gophers !
> Kind reguards.....
> A very angry Steven !
> Esk Queensland Australia
> On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Hans-Werner Hammen <>wrote:
> A faik it is impossible that any Mammal will CONSUME plant matter from
> Amaryllids.These contain poisonous Amaryllidacean Alkaloids. Amaryllids are
> "Deer And Gopher Proof"
>  > Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 01:59:58 -0800
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