Jim, If you want to move to "California" make sure you move to the California Floristic Province (including SW Oregon and the part of Baja California where one might discover a lily. NE California is in the Great Basin Floristic Province, with a climate to match. On 6/11/12 7:52 AM, Jim McKenney wrote: > Thanks for that clarification, Colleen. If I ever move to California, I'd better check pretty carefully if I expect to end up in a neighborhood with palm trees and oranges. > > And Mark, somehow I'm having trouble keeping the words "California" and "minus 45 degrees F" in the same thought. Oh my gosh... minus 45 degrees F: no wonder the town is now deserted.