Tony Avent
Wed, 27 Jun 2012 04:40:30 PDT

Glad you brought up the sauromatum issue.  Well over a decade ago, the sauromatum switch to typhonium was discussed ad nauseum on Aroid-l, with all the scientific justification presented.  A small handful of us weren't convinced and never changed our records.  Here we are now in 2012 with two new mea culpa papers published reinstating the genus sauromatum.  To me, pseudodracontium is in the same boat.  I'll go out on a limb and predict that this merger sinks like the sauromatum one. Just because a bandwagon goes by with lots of people on it doesn't mean everyone should automatically jump may be heading to the dump.

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Subject: Re: [pbs] Pseudodracontium


Agreed. There is also the possibility (seems doubtful in this case) that the change may go over like a lead balloon in the scientific community. It is after all a proposal, a somewhat subjective one, that aims to arrange things better than before. It doesn't always "take".

Recently there has been talk that Sauromatum would be subsumed under Typhonium but apparently this was reconsidered. Same with Albuca vs.
Ornithogalum, though this was a little more complicated with internal rearrangements.

A heartbreaker was Kleinia saginata, a name published at last for a plant hortists had called Senecio fulleri for many years.

Dylan Hannon

On 26 June 2012 19:19, Tim Chapman <> wrote:

> >From previous experience I can say that trying to implement name
> >changes
> before they are official is a waste of time.  I'm not doubting that
> this change will happen, but it was suggested well over a decade ago.
> To expect nurseries to change names now is somewhat ridiculous (no offense).
>  Technically to list something as A harmandii is invalid until an
> official publication is made.
> I can give several examples of why jumping the gun on name changes is a
> bad idea.   It can indeed lead to MUCH more confusion.
> Tim Chapman

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