Being from St. Louis, I'm not sure that a species that grows in Missouri would have a chance in the Bay Area if cold is required. Paul Licht, Director University of California Botanical Garden 200 Centennial Drive Berkeley, CA 94720 http://botanicalgarden.berkeley.edu/ On 4/11/2013 8:03 AM, Maxwithers wrote: > Oakland. I did not give it any special care. Clusiana was reliable in the same spot. There is a beautiful red form of T. bakeri (also known as T. hageri I think?) from Crete that Nick Turland managed to grow in Missouri, but I never found a commercial source in the U.S. You should try to get some from MOBOT! That would be a valuable contribution to Bay Area gardens.