Jim: Since according to Dave Lehmiller, true Crinum bulbispemum never offsets, so the best viable option is seed. We grew several hundred Crinum bulbispermum a few years ago from seed collected in one of our crinum trial beds, curious if there was any crossing going on. Well, the plants still aren't flowering size, but it is very obvious now from the foliage variation and size that there is quite a bit of cross breeding happening. I'll be very interested to see what results. Tony Avent Plant Delights Nursery @ Juniper Level Botanic Garden 9241 Sauls Road Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F USDA Hardiness Zone 7b email tony@plantdelights.com website http://www.plantdelights.com/ phone 919 772-4794 fax 919 772-4752 "I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least three times" - Avent -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of James Waddick Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 5:23 PM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] Crinum hardiness... in Ontario ? Dear Bea and all, Your comments are exactly what I promote regarding C. bulbispermum. Since it is slow to pup and so easy from seed. - Plant seed as soon as ripe (I can send some to you if you'd like from My Zone 5/6 Kansas City MO location). Keep them indoors and growing as long as they will over winter. If you are lucky they'll look like a puny scallion in spring. Plant them deep- just a fringe of foliage showing, in full sun and water well. Mulch pretty weel the first winter, then little to none. Should bloom in a few years after and just get better. Jim W. On Jul 5, 2013, at 3:44 PM, B Spencer wrote: > I certainly would be interested in trying crinum bulbispermum up against a > south wall planted very deeply and mulched in my zone 5 (it did behave like > zone 6 lately on a number of occasions, though. Not the same as forty years > ago), if I could grow it from seed and plant out when the bulbs are larger. > This way losses would not be so painful... financially, that is. Taking into > consideration the providence of the seed, it is worth a try. Nothing risked, > nothing gained! > Bea in Ontario