I like to remind you that I wrote an article on the taxonomy of all narcissus species, based on 375 accessions, in 2008 in Plant systematics and evolution 275: 109-132 and a second article on the origin of N bujei in Anales del Jardin Botanico Madrid 67(1): 29-39. Both are based on nuclear DNA content I can send a pdf to those interested Kind regards, B.J.M.Zonneveld T +31 (0)71 527 47 38, T +31 (0)71 527 50 08 Einsteinweg 2, P.O. Box 9514, 2300 RA Leiden, The Netherlands E ben.zonneveld@naturalis.nl, I http://www.naturalis.nl/ -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org Sent: zondag 24 maart 2013 9:02 To: pbs@lists.ibiblio.org Subject: pbs Digest, Vol 122, Issue 33 Send pbs mailing list submissions to pbs@lists.ibiblio.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org You can reach the person managing the list at pbs-owner@lists.ibiblio.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of pbs digest..." List-Post:<mailto:pbs@lists.ibiblio.org List-Archive:<http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php Today's Topics: 1. Re: ID request (Fred Biasella) 2. Re: ID request (Mary Sue Ittner) 3. Re: Zephyranthes primulina hybrid (Ina) 4. Re: Zephyranthes primulina hybrid (Ina) 5. Re: What I saw in bloom (Alberto Castillo) 6. Re: Identifying Narcissus species (Rodger Whitlock) 7. hello, what's blooming in my garden (arcangelo wessells) 8. Re: Identifying Narcissus species (Hannon) 9. Overwintering Nerine bowdenii (J. Denys Bourque) 10. Chocolate Cosmos = Cosmos atrosanguineus (J. Denys Bourque) 11. Re: Chocolate Cosmos = Cosmos atrosanguineus (Bulborum Botanicum) 12. Re: hello, what's blooming in my garden: hybrids between californian paeonia (Mark BROWN) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 12:35:59 -0400 From: "Fred Biasella" <arlen.jose@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [pbs] ID request To: "Pacific Bulb Society" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <PBEDKJJBDECGAAGPOEDCEEGEEDAA.arlen.jose@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi Ben, It almost looks like a spiloxene. Fred -----Original Message----- From: pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of Ben Anderson Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 11:53 AM To: Pacific Bulb Society Subject: [pbs] ID request Anyone have a name on this unknown? It has been blooming the last few weeks and is now winding down. Apparently a winter grower here in the SF bay area... http://flickr.com/photos/btanderson/… Thanks, Ben Anderson ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 10:14:56 -0700 From: Mary Sue Ittner <msittner@mcn.org> Subject: Re: [pbs] ID request To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <20130323171520.807BCE8B8C@lists.ibiblio.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Spiloxene serrata is one of the longest blooming species. This year with a dry January, February, and March it is really been putting on a show as there have been a lot more sunny days with enough warmth for the flowers to open. It started blooming in December and is still blooming in March. http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/… It may not be as spectacular as Spiloxene capensis, but it is a much more reliable and longer bloomer. I suspect this is what your unknown is. Mary Sue Mary Sue Ittner California's North Coast Wet mild winters with occasional frost Dry mild summers ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:06:05 +1300 From: Ina <klazina@orcon.net.nz> Subject: Re: [pbs] Zephyranthes primulina hybrid To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <514E0B2D.3080002@orcon.net.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Only the one bulb had 2 doubles like this Steven. Until I accidentally broke a flower off, and then there was one..... :'( Ina Crossley Auckland New Zealand Zone 10 On 24/03/2013 12:23 a.m., steven hart wrote: > Ina i was also wondering if every flower on this plant is double ? > > On 22 March 2013 20:06, Ina <klazina@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >> What I found in my garden today >> >> https://picasaweb.google.com/102349754034616089606… >> ranthus?authkey=Gv1sRgCNj_oNuK9aakLQ#5858036208409452082 >> >> Ina >> >> -- >> Ina Crossley >> Auckland New Zealand Zone 10 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pbs mailing list >> pbs@lists.ibiblio.org >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php >> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ > > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:09:57 +1300 From: Ina <klazina@orcon.net.nz> Subject: Re: [pbs] Zephyranthes primulina hybrid To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <514E0C15.9010702@orcon.net.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Stev, they are twinned, I looked at the embryo seedheads yesterday and as you say, they are slightly flattened. Felix Fajar Martha says that eventually I should be able to get it into a double. The future will tell. Ina Crossley Auckland New Zealand Zone 10 On 24/03/2013 12:20 a.m., steven hart wrote: > Maybe we should try to cross my Twin Habranthus with your Double / > Twin Zephyranthes, I wonder if that is even possible ??? > > Steven Esk QLD Australia > > if it is a true double it would be wonderful & would be fun to see > if you can breed different colours with it... ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 23:53:45 +0000 From: Alberto Castillo <ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [pbs] What I saw in bloom To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <BAY156-W7C9C54C6CD43F233CDEEEAED50@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Right now around Buenos Aires, its natural habitat, is still in massive bloom but some capsules are open and shedding seeds. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 18:42:43 -0700 From: "Rodger Whitlock" <totototo@telus.net> Subject: Re: [pbs] Identifying Narcissus species To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <514DF7A3.12665.3996@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On 22 Mar 2013, at 10:33, Michael Mace wrote: > Personal opinion: we won't be able to really make sense of the genus > [Narcissus] without genetic analysis. Personal opinion: genetic analysis won't help much. It's pretty clear that on the Iberian peninsula, the genus Narcissus is undergoing active speciation. The fixed category "species" just doesn't work very well under such circumstances, just as it's of questionable utility in paleontology. (The paleontological day is saved thanks (a) to the fact that only a tiny subset of all organisms is fossilized and (b) per Stephen Jay Gould, active speciation is a relatively fast process, so fossilization of true intermediates would be rare. It strikes me that the situation with Iberian narcissus may be like that with the Pacific Coast irises, where logging has created "bio-ways" linking distinct species and allowing them to hybridize freely. I've read that some of the PCI species are actually at risk of being hybridized out of existence. The usual definition of species is a population of plants that can breed together but does not _or_cannot_ breed with other species. When interbreeding is prevented by ecological barriers, if those barriers are disrupted, suddenly formerly good species stop looking so good. Human habitation of the Iberian Peninsula goes back some tens of thousands of years. It may be that the clearing of forests and similar ecological degradation lies at the root of the complexities of Iberian narcissus. -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Z. 7-8, cool Mediterranean climate ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 19:28:34 -0700 (PDT) From: arcangelo wessells <arcangelow@yahoo.com> Subject: [pbs] hello, what's blooming in my garden To: "pbs@lists.ibiblio.org" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <1364092114.51091.YahooMailNeo@web140601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello everyone. My name is Arcangelo Wessells. I have been a member just over one year but this is my first post. I live in Vallejo, ?CA. Just at the East end of the San Francisco bay area. I have a small garden so I have resorted to ?small slow growing plants to extend the joy of gardening. I raise plants from seed in pots but I try to get them in the ground as soon as possible. Some bulbs disappear quickly but others are tough and I am much fond of the way they look in the ground. I am trying to make it look as natural as possible. I am interested mainly in Paeonia, Gethyllis, Fritillaria and Calochortus. I will have more photos to share later this year, but many of my plants are still to young to flower. I am also very interested in Castilleja and Orobanche and other parasitic plants. So this week I have Paeonia mascula ssp russoi fading out. It rained last week and really made the flower more beautiful. http://flickr.com/photos/8690158@N07/… ??Paeonia cambessedesii just opened today. A bit harder to photograph. It works best at 7am as I go to work. http://flickr.com/photos/8690158@N07/… and http://flickr.com/photos/8690158@N07/… Also some Trillium ovatum: http://flickr.com/photos/8690158@N07/… They are my first flowers on seed grown plants from Archibalds. Paeonia californica bloomed one month ago but I would love to try to cross them in the future. arcangelo ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 19:33:42 -0700 From: Hannon <othonna@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [pbs] Identifying Narcissus species To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <CAFsz2W8mgfux5AL-HmJjxsrh2F1UJA9v8sjEQnXyFkvay7OV0w@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Rodger makes some excellent points. There seem to be similar phenomena in epiphytic rhododendrons and bromeliads, where disturbance such as road building or logging creates light gaps that alter the behavior of pollinators and modify opportunities for the plants. Some vireyas are relatively uncommon in closed-canopy forest but roadsides in the same forest can create ideal secondary habitat for them to thrive and meet with congeners they would otherwise be more isolated from. The case is probably more dynamic with bromeliads like Guzmania species since their seeds are wind-dispersed. Regarding Narcissus, it's too bad there is not a formal taxonomic rank of "species complex" for a suite of closely allied taxa that may intergrade with one another-- or may be actively diverging from one common ancestor. Dylan ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 10:03:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Denys Bourque" <jdbourq@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: [pbs] Overwintering Nerine bowdenii To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <1364058183.39767.YahooMailNeo@web161805.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Last fall I asked the group for advice on overwintering Nerine bowdenii indoors. I got a variety of answers for which I was/am very grateful. But it seemed not many had experience with this species in USA Zone 3. I finally left them in their pot and positioned it about 1 m = 3 ft from the patio door and 20 cm = 8 in. from the radiator and stopped watering them. Low and behold, one sprouted 2 wks ago, and the 3 others yesterday, with 2 babies as a bonus. I'm very happy, and wanted to share this with you all. ? J. Denys Bourque Ing?nieur forestier / Professional Forester 19, rue Michaud Saint-Jacques, NB?? E7B 1M1 CANADA T?l./Tel. : +1 506 739-6471 ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 10:17:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Denys Bourque" <jdbourq@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: [pbs] Chocolate Cosmos = Cosmos atrosanguineus To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <1364059053.23113.YahooMailNeo@web161805.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Dear all, I have some Chocolate Cosmos tubers, and don't know how to plant them. I searched Internet, but didn't find anything useful; and would appreciate any advice on this: 1. There is one clump about 4-5 in. in length, of five "pieces" (tubers??) sort of welded together at one end, with fine white rootlets almost all the way to the tips at the other end. I was thinking to plant the "welded" part down and the "pointed tips" upwards, with about 1 in. of the tips above the soil. But then, considering the presence of rootlets near the tips I figure maybe I should plant the entire bunch sideways. 2. There are also two pieces not connected to the other bunch, also with long "tails" or tips, and also with white rootlets, but apparently broken off at the other end. These I thought of planting sideways. 3. How deep should I plant them? Grateful for any advice. Sincerely, ? J. Denys Bourque Saint-Jacques, NB?? CANADA Canda Zone 3A ; USA Zone 3 ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 07:56:20 +0100 From: Bulborum Botanicum <bulborum@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [pbs] Chocolate Cosmos = Cosmos atrosanguineus To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <CABsCM2oKwP+AXRJ+wEg=DAX-HGKOnPW8h3Ompy2ANO-X0Ry6hw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Denys I plant them just as Dahlia Roland 2013/3/23 J. Denys Bourque <jdbourq@yahoo.co.uk>: > Dear all, > I have some Chocolate Cosmos tubers, and don't know how to plant them. I searched Internet, but didn't find anything useful; and would appreciate any advice on this: > 1. There is one clump about 4-5 in. in length, of five "pieces" (tubers??) sort of welded together at one end, with fine white rootlets almost all the way to the tips at the other end. I was thinking to plant the "welded" part down and the "pointed tips" upwards, with about 1 in. of the tips above the soil. But then, considering the presence of rootlets near the tips I figure maybe I should plant the entire bunch sideways. > 2. There are also two pieces not connected to the other bunch, also with long "tails" or tips, and also with white rootlets, but apparently broken off at the other end. These I thought of planting sideways. > 3. How deep should I plant them? > Grateful for any advice. > > Sincerely, > > J. Denys Bourque > Saint-Jacques, NB CANADA > Canda Zone 3A ; USA Zone 3 > _______________________________________________ > pbs mailing list > pbs@lists.ibiblio.org > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php > http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/ -- R de Boer La Maugardiere 1 F 27260 EPAIGNES FRANCE Phone./Fax 0033-232-576-204 Email: bulborum@gmail.com Facebook: https://facebook.com/pages/Bulborum/… ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:02:11 +0100 (CET) From: Mark BROWN <brown.mark@wanadoo.fr> Subject: Re: [pbs] hello, what's blooming in my garden: hybrids between californian paeonia To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org> Message-ID: <1635967466.2604.1364112131354.JavaMail.www@wwinf1f18> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Dear Arcangelo, I fully encourage you in your idea of hybridising these paeonia. I have often dreamed of doing just that. And wondered if any one had ever tried? Anyone know of hybrids between californian paeonia and the other species? ? Mark > Message du 24/03/13 03:28 " So this week I have Paeonia mascula ssp russoi fading out. ? Paeonia cambessedesii just opened today. ?Paeonia californica bloomed one month ago but I would love to try to cross them in the future. > > arcangelo" ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ pbs mailing list pbs@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/list.php End of pbs Digest, Vol 122, Issue 33 ************************************