narcissus species

Jim Lykos jimlykos@bigpond.com
Tue, 19 Mar 2013 15:06:59 PDT
Thanks  Luc

Jim
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Dear Jim(s),

You can download the first paper here :
http://link.springer.com/content/pdf/…

and the second one here :
http://rjb.csic.es/jardinbotanico/ficheros/…


Hope this helps,

Luc

Le 18/03/2013 18:15, Jim Lykos a écrit :
> Hello Ben,
>
> I would be very interested in reading your pdf article on the taxaonomy of
> narcissus species.
> Could you please email me a copy
> Many thanks
>
> Jim Lykos
>
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> From: "Zonneveld, B.J.M." <Ben.Zonneveld@naturalis.nl>
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> Subject: [pbs] narcissus species
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>> I like to remind you that I wrote an article on the taxonomy of all
>> narcissus species, based on 375 accessions, in 2008 in Plant systematics
>> and evolution 275: 109-132 and a second article on the origin of N bujei 
>> in
>> Anales del Jardin Botanico Madrid 67(1): 29-39. Both are based on nuclear
>> DNA content
>> I can send a pdf to those interested
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> B.J.M.Zonneveld
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>>
>>
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>>    1. Re: ID request (Fred Biasella)
>>    2. Re: ID request (Mary Sue Ittner)
>>    3. Re: Zephyranthes primulina hybrid (Ina)
>>    4. Re: Zephyranthes primulina hybrid (Ina)
>>    5. Re: What I saw in bloom (Alberto Castillo)
>>    6. Re: Identifying Narcissus species (Rodger Whitlock)
>>    7. hello, what's blooming in my garden (arcangelo wessells)
>>    8. Re: Identifying Narcissus species (Hannon)
>>    9. Overwintering Nerine bowdenii (J. Denys Bourque)
>>   10. Chocolate Cosmos = Cosmos atrosanguineus (J. Denys Bourque)
>>   11. Re: Chocolate Cosmos = Cosmos atrosanguineus (Bulborum Botanicum)
>>   12. Re: hello, what's blooming in my garden: hybrids between
>>       californian paeonia (Mark BROWN)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 12:35:59 -0400
>> From: "Fred Biasella" <arlen.jose@verizon.net>
>> Subject: Re: [pbs] ID request
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>> Hi Ben,
>>
>> It almost looks like a spiloxene.
>>
>> Fred
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>> [mailto:pbs-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of Ben Anderson
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 11:53 AM
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>> Subject: [pbs] ID request
>>
>>
>> Anyone have a name on this unknown? It has been blooming the last few
>> weeks and is now winding down. Apparently a winter grower here in the SF
>> bay area...
>>
>> http://flickr.com/photos/btanderson/…
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ben Anderson
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 10:14:56 -0700
>> From: Mary Sue Ittner <msittner@mcn.org>
>> Subject: Re: [pbs] ID request
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>> Spiloxene serrata is one of the longest blooming species. This year with 
>> a
>> dry January, February, and March it is really been putting on a show as
>> there have been a lot more sunny days with enough warmth for the flowers
>> to open. It started blooming in December and is still blooming in March.
>> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…
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>> It may not be as spectacular as Spiloxene capensis, but it is a much more
>> reliable and longer bloomer. I suspect this is what your unknown is.
>>
>> Mary Sue
>>
>> Mary Sue Ittner
>> California's North Coast
>> Wet mild winters with occasional frost
>> Dry mild summers
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:06:05 +1300
>> From: Ina <klazina@orcon.net.nz>
>> Subject: Re: [pbs] Zephyranthes primulina hybrid
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>> Only the one bulb had 2 doubles like this Steven.  Until I accidentally
>> broke a flower off, and then there was one..... :'(
>>
>> Ina Crossley
>> Auckland New Zealand  Zone 10
>>
>> On 24/03/2013 12:23 a.m., steven hart wrote:
>>> Ina i was also wondering if every flower on this plant is double ?
>>>
>>> On 22 March 2013 20:06, Ina <klazina@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
>>>> What I found in my garden today
>>>>
>>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/102349754034616089606…
>>>> ranthus?authkey=Gv1sRgCNj_oNuK9aakLQ#5858036208409452082
>>>>
>>>> Ina
>>>>
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>> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:09:57 +1300
>> From: Ina <klazina@orcon.net.nz>
>> Subject: Re: [pbs] Zephyranthes primulina hybrid
>> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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>> Stev, they are twinned, I looked at the embryo seedheads yesterday and as
>> you say, they are slightly flattened.  Felix Fajar Martha says that
>> eventually I should be able to get it into a double.  The future will
>> tell.
>>
>> Ina Crossley
>> Auckland New Zealand  Zone 10
>>
>> On 24/03/2013 12:20 a.m., steven hart wrote:
>>> Maybe we should try to cross my Twin Habranthus with your Double /
>>> Twin Zephyranthes, I wonder if that is even possible ???
>>>
>>> Steven Esk QLD Australia
>>>
>>>    if it is a true double it would be wonderful & would be fun to see
>>> if you can breed different colours with it...
>>
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 23:53:45 +0000
>> From: Alberto Castillo <ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pbs] What I saw in bloom
>> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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>>
>> Right now around Buenos Aires, its natural habitat, is still in massive
>> bloom but some capsules  are open and shedding seeds.
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 18:42:43 -0700
>> From: "Rodger Whitlock" <totototo@telus.net>
>> Subject: Re: [pbs] Identifying Narcissus species
>> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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>> On 22 Mar 2013, at 10:33, Michael Mace wrote:
>>
>>> Personal opinion: we won't be able to really make sense of the genus
>>> [Narcissus] without genetic analysis.
>> Personal opinion: genetic analysis won't help much.
>>
>> It's pretty clear that on the Iberian peninsula, the genus Narcissus is
>> undergoing active speciation. The fixed category "species" just doesn't
>> work very well under such circumstances, just as it's of questionable
>> utility in paleontology. (The paleontological day is saved thanks (a) to
>> the fact that only a tiny subset of all organisms is fossilized and (b)
>> per Stephen Jay Gould, active speciation is a relatively fast process, so
>> fossilization of true intermediates would be rare.
>>
>> It strikes me that the situation with Iberian narcissus may be like that
>> with the Pacific Coast irises, where logging has created "bio-ways"
>> linking distinct species and allowing them to hybridize freely. I've read
>> that some of the PCI species are actually at risk of being hybridized out
>> of existence.
>>
>> The usual definition of species is a population of plants that can breed
>> together but does not _or_cannot_ breed with other species. When
>> interbreeding is prevented by ecological barriers, if those barriers are
>> disrupted, suddenly formerly good species stop looking so good.
>>
>> Human habitation of the Iberian Peninsula goes back some tens of 
>> thousands
>> of years. It may be that the clearing of forests and similar ecological
>> degradation lies at the root of the complexities of Iberian narcissus.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rodger Whitlock
>> Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
>> Z. 7-8, cool Mediterranean climate
>>
>>
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 19:28:34 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: arcangelo wessells <arcangelow@yahoo.com>
>> Subject: [pbs] hello, what's blooming in my garden
>> To: "pbs@lists.ibiblio.org" <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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>> Hello everyone. My name is Arcangelo Wessells. I have been a member just
>> over one year but this is my first post. I live in Vallejo, ?CA. Just at
>> the East end of the San Francisco bay area. I have a small garden so I
>> have resorted to ?small slow growing plants to extend the joy of
>> gardening. I raise plants from seed in pots but I try to get them in the
>> ground as soon as possible. Some bulbs disappear quickly but others are
>> tough and I am much fond of the way they look in the ground. I am trying
>> to make it look as natural as possible. I am interested mainly in 
>> Paeonia,
>> Gethyllis, Fritillaria and Calochortus. I will have more photos to share
>> later this year, but many of my plants are still to young to flower. I am
>> also very interested in Castilleja and Orobanche and other parasitic
>> plants.
>> So this week I have Paeonia mascula ssp russoi fading out. It rained last
>> week and really made the flower more beautiful.
>> http://flickr.com/photos/8690158@N07/…
>>
>>
>> ??Paeonia cambessedesii just opened today. A bit harder to photograph. It
>> works best at 7am as I go to work.
>> http://flickr.com/photos/8690158@N07/…
>>
>> and
>> http://flickr.com/photos/8690158@N07/…
>>
>>
>> Also some Trillium ovatum:
>> http://flickr.com/photos/8690158@N07/…
>>
>>
>> They are my first flowers on seed grown plants from Archibalds. Paeonia
>> californica bloomed one month ago but I would love to try to cross them 
>> in
>> the future.
>>
>> arcangelo
>>
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 19:33:42 -0700
>> From: Hannon <othonna@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pbs] Identifying Narcissus species
>> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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>> Rodger makes some excellent points. There seem to be similar phenomena in
>> epiphytic rhododendrons and bromeliads, where disturbance such as road
>> building or logging creates light gaps that alter the behavior of
>> pollinators and modify opportunities for the plants. Some vireyas are
>> relatively uncommon in closed-canopy forest but roadsides in the same
>> forest can create ideal secondary habitat for them to thrive and meet 
>> with
>> congeners they would otherwise be more isolated from. The case is 
>> probably
>> more dynamic with bromeliads like Guzmania species since their seeds are
>> wind-dispersed.
>>
>> Regarding Narcissus, it's too bad there is not a formal taxonomic rank of
>> "species complex" for a suite of closely allied taxa that may intergrade
>> with one another-- or may be actively diverging from one common ancestor.
>>
>> Dylan
>>
>>
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>> Message: 9
>> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 10:03:03 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: "J. Denys Bourque" <jdbourq@yahoo.co.uk>
>> Subject: [pbs] Overwintering Nerine bowdenii
>> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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>> Last fall I asked the group for advice on overwintering Nerine bowdenii
>> indoors.
>> I got a variety of answers for which I was/am very grateful. But it 
>> seemed
>> not many had experience with this species in USA Zone 3. I finally left
>> them in their pot and positioned it about 1 m = 3 ft from the patio door
>> and 20 cm = 8 in. from the radiator and stopped watering them.
>>
>> Low and behold, one sprouted 2 wks ago, and the 3 others yesterday, with 
>> 2
>> babies as a bonus.
>>
>> I'm very happy, and wanted to share this with you all.
>>
>> ?
>> J. Denys Bourque
>> Ing?nieur forestier / Professional Forester
>> 19, rue Michaud
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>> Message: 10
>> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 10:17:33 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: "J. Denys Bourque" <jdbourq@yahoo.co.uk>
>> Subject: [pbs] Chocolate Cosmos = Cosmos atrosanguineus
>> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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>> Dear all,
>> I have some Chocolate Cosmos tubers, and don't know how to plant them. I
>> searched Internet, but didn't find anything useful; and would appreciate
>> any advice on this:
>> 1. There is one clump about 4-5 in. in length, of five "pieces" 
>> (tubers??)
>> sort of welded together at one end, with fine white rootlets almost all
>> the way to the tips at the other end. I was thinking to plant the 
>> "welded"
>> part down and the "pointed tips" upwards, with about 1 in. of the tips
>> above the soil. But then, considering the presence of rootlets near the
>> tips I figure maybe I should plant the entire bunch sideways.
>> 2. There are also two pieces not connected to the other bunch, also with
>> long "tails" or tips, and also with white rootlets, but apparently broken
>> off at the other end. These I thought of planting sideways.
>> 3. How deep should I plant them?
>> Grateful for any advice.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> ?
>> J. Denys Bourque
>> Saint-Jacques, NB?? CANADA
>> Canda Zone 3A ; USA Zone 3
>>
>>
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>> Message: 11
>> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 07:56:20 +0100
>> From: Bulborum Botanicum <bulborum@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pbs] Chocolate Cosmos = Cosmos atrosanguineus
>> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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>> Hi Denys
>>
>> I plant them just as Dahlia
>>
>> Roland
>>
>>
>> 2013/3/23 J. Denys Bourque <jdbourq@yahoo.co.uk>:
>>> Dear all,
>>> I have some Chocolate Cosmos tubers, and don't know how to plant them. I
>>> searched Internet, but didn't find anything useful; and would appreciate
>>> any advice on this:
>>>          1. There is one clump about 4-5 in. in length, of five "pieces"
>>> (tubers??) sort of welded together at one end, with fine white rootlets
>>> almost all the way to the tips at the other end. I was thinking to plant
>>> the "welded" part down and the "pointed tips" upwards, with about 1 in.
>>> of the tips above the soil. But then, considering the presence of
>>> rootlets near the tips I figure maybe I should plant the entire bunch
>>> sideways.
>>>          2. There are also two pieces not connected to the other bunch,
>>> also with long "tails" or tips, and also with white rootlets, but
>>> apparently broken off at the other end. These I thought of planting
>>> sideways.
>>>          3. How deep should I plant them?
>>> Grateful for any advice.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> J. Denys Bourque
>>> Saint-Jacques, NB   CANADA
>>> Canda Zone 3A ; USA Zone 3
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>> Message: 12
>> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:02:11 +0100 (CET)
>> From: Mark BROWN <brown.mark@wanadoo.fr>
>> Subject: Re: [pbs] hello, what's blooming in my garden: hybrids
>> between californian paeonia
>> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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>> Dear Arcangelo,
>> I fully encourage you in your idea of hybridising these paeonia.
>> I have often dreamed of doing just that. And wondered if any one had ever
>> tried?
>> Anyone know of hybrids between californian paeonia and the other species?
>> ?
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Message du 24/03/13 03:28
>> " So this week I have Paeonia mascula ssp russoi fading out.
>> ? Paeonia cambessedesii just opened today.
>> ?Paeonia californica bloomed one month ago but I would love to try to
>> cross them in the future.
>>> arcangelo"
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