Plant Names, was Schizobasis intricata

Greg Ruckert
Tue, 19 Aug 2014 17:24:06 PDT
A couple of weeks ago I asked if the PBS had expressed interest in being 
involved in the e-Monocot project. The response was deafening in its 
The aroid part of the project is growing in leaps and bounds and, quite 
honestly, is now the definitive, most up to date, site for aroid 
Combining the pictures on the wiki with the knowledge in e-Monocot would 
give most of the answers.

Here is a recently released video in the project;…

Greg Ruckert
South Australia

On 19/08/2014 12:30 AM, Mary Sue Ittner wrote:
> When I first started working on the wiki I didn't know very much about 
> how plants get their names. I know a lot more now, but I'm sure there 
> are members of this list who know a lot more than I do. It has been 
> very challenging to decide what name to use on the wiki. I used to 
> believe that botanical names were the way that people could know that 
> they are all talking about the same thing, but I no longer think that 
> is true. And if the Internet makes it easier to publish new species 
> that could make it even harder. As a number of people on this list 
> have noted over the years, if you include the name of the person who 
> published that name after the botanical name you are technically 
> correct even if no one uses that name any more.
> Someone suggested that we use IPNI
> and for awhile we did until we understood that it is a listing of 
> published names of plants and not necessarily the ones that people are 
> using at the moment. If you put in Schizobasis intricata you will find 
> that it is a published name.
> Kew had a monocot checklist and for awhile we used that to verify 
> names since the majority of wiki species were monocots. This list has 
> gradually added other families besides monocots, but I'm not sure if 
> all of the wiki families are included.
> I still like to use it some times as it offers helpful information. If 
> you used it to search for Schizobasis intricata you would learn that 
> it is in the family Asparagaceae and was first published by Baker by 
> that name in 1874. In 1872 he first published this plant under the 
> name Anthericum intricatum. In 2000 Manning and Goldblatt published a 
> new name for this species, Drimia intricata. If you click on that name 
> you will learn that it is distributed from Ethiopia, Tanzania to S. 
> Africa and is a bulb geophyte and is an accepted name (but it doesn't 
> tell you by whom.) There is a link to other sources that may or may 
> not have further information.
> I used to also look at Tropicos, the Missouri Botanical Garden's 
> database of plant names.
> It describes itself this way:
> Tropicos® was originally created for internal research but has since 
> been made available to the world’s scientific community. All of the 
> nomenclatural, bibliographic, and specimen data accumulated in MBG’s 
> electronic databases during the past 25 years are publicly available 
> here. This system has over 1.2 million scientific names and 4.0 
> million specimen records. If you search in it you will find both 
> Drimia intricata and Schizobasis intricata so they have it covered 
> either way.
> Sometimes Kew and Tropicos agreed so we felt somewhat safe in using a 
> name listed in both. But then the Plant List was suggested as a resource.
> It describes itself as a working list of all known plant species. It 
> aims to be comprehensive for species of Vascular plant (flowering 
> plants, conifers, ferns and their allies) and of Bryophytes (mosses 
> and liverworts). Collaboration between the Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew 
> and Missouri Botanical Garden enabled the creation of The Plant List 
> by combining multiple checklist data sets held by these institutions 
> and other collaborators. So using it meant we didn't have to check 
> both of the above. It lists 1,064,035 scientific plant names of 
> species rank. Of these 350,699 are accepted species name. The others 
> are either synonyms or unresolved. So only a third of those names are 
> "accepted". And they note it is a work in progress and not perfect. If 
> you check Schizobasis intricata in the Plant List you will find that 
> it is the accepted name (3 stars confidence) and Drimia intricata is a 
> synonym.
> Another resource to use for South African plants is the SANBI check list.
> I like to look at it as it seems reasonable to me that local botanists 
> are likely to be current on their plants (but that may depend on 
> whether someone has transferred their data to the internet.) But even 
> if the information is current it doesn't mean that everyone around the 
> world is going to agree and accept their findings. Looking up 
> Schizobasis intricata here you will find that it is in the 
> Hyacinthaceae family and is a synonym for Drimia intricata and is 
> Perennial. Climber, geophyte. Ht 0.05-0.69m. Alt 250-5540m.
> So what do we call it if someone is kind enough to send photos to the 
> wiki? Toss a coin? Either of these would be correct:
> Schizobasis intricata (Baker) Baker
> Drimia intricata (Baker) J.C.Manning & Goldblatt
> If you are still with me and I'm sure I've lost some folks by now, it 
> is possible that someone will decide to take on this plant and do a 
> more historical search and find that someone else was first in naming 
> this plant and therefore the name should be changed even if it has 
> been used for a very long time under a different name and all the 
> resource books would now be out of date under that name. Or perhaps 
> there was a spelling mistake that now needs to be corrected. It makes 
> it so hard for any resource to keep up to date with what to call a 
> plant. And as we found with Albuca into Ornithogalum back to Albuca, 
> even the experts can change their minds. Anyone for common names?
> Mary Sue
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