DELL'S SEED OFFERS

Sylvia Sykora slsykora@sbcglobal.net
Tue, 14 Jan 2014 10:22:38 PST
ANYONE else find that using Dell's link in his seed offer message makes for an undeliverable reply?  I've had two messages with seed orders returned this morning.

Sylvia Sykora
On Jan 14, 2014, at 9:01 AM, pbs-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote:

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>   4. Re: new Polianthes cultivars (Diane Whitehead)
>   5. Re: new Polianthes cultivars (Alberto)
>   6. Re: new Polianthes cultivars (Hannon)
>   7. Re: new Polianthes cultivars (Steve Marak)
>   8. Re: new Polianthes cultivars (Alberto)
>   9. Zantedeschia odorata ? (James SHIELDS)
>  10. Re: Zantedeschia odorata ? (David Pilling)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 11:44:38 -0800
> From: "Michael Mace" <michaelcmace@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] new Polianthes cultivars
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> Steve wrote:
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>>> Several of us in the area, including a representative of our small local
> botanic garden, tried to get permission to preserve some things, but I was
> told by a reliable source that everything else was trashed. 
> 
> Stories like this are heartbreaking, and also unnecessary. If you put years
> into growing stuff, spend a few minutes making sure your work can survive
> you.
> 
> I plan to be around for several more decades at least, but for the record,
> if I kick it unexpectedly you're all invited over to my house to take as
> many pots as you want. My wife knows how to contact PBS.
> 
> Mike
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 15:33:06 -0500
> From: James SHIELDS <jshields46074@gmail.com>
> Subject: [pbs] Identifying Rain Lilies
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> In trying to learn to identify rain lilies, I am starting by looking for
> constants -- peduncle length? pedicel length? floral tube length? ratios of
> filament lengths? stigma lengths? I am already disheartened to read in
> Flora of North America, vol. 26, p. 297, where Flagg, Smith, & Flory wrote,
> "It had been thought that pedicels are consistently either present or
> absent in species of Zephyranthes. This is belied by the occurrence of both
> pedicellate and sessile flowers within each of the the three species (Z.
> atamasca, Z. treatiae, and Z. simpsonii) native to the southeastern United
> States."
> 
> Can anyone suggest any other physical trait that might be consistent?
> 
> Jim
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> -- 
> James Shields             jshields46074@gmail.com
> P.O. Box 92
> Westfield, IN 46074
> U.S.A.
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 20:39:54 +0000
> From: Alberto <ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Identifying Rain Lilies
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> In most cases, flower shape is constant but to be sure you have to take front, side and 3/4 photos. Of course, at anthesis. In Cooperias you have to at which level of the tube the organs are inserted.
> 
> Pedicels, bracts, even dimensions can look the same in many species and are of no use.
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 12:45:34 -0800
> From: Diane Whitehead <voltaire@islandnet.com>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] new Polianthes cultivars
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> You don't have to be dead to have your work trashed.
> 
> Another student and I were working at a Prairie university, doing everything from staining chromosomes to pulling out wheat with rust on the leaves.
> One day we were told to weed an area, so dug out clumps of grass, making a big mound.  The next day an upset professor was trying to sort out and replant that mound.  They were his experimental plants in his attempt to discover the ancient progenitors of wheat.  Obviously he should have told his fellow profs what he was doing and should have used some labels.
> 
> Diane Whitehead
> Canada
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> On 2014-01-13, at 11:44 AM, Michael Mace wrote:
> 
>> Mike wrote:
>> 
>>>> If you put years
>> into growing stuff, spend a few minutes making sure your work can survive you.
>> 
> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 20:46:00 +0000
> From: Alberto <ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] new Polianthes cultivars
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> Mike, that is so very important. We have heard of so many collections went to the dump because there was not any will of the owner to give them a better home.  And, so many plans that can no longer be obtained.
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 13:31:31 -0800
> From: Hannon <othonna@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] new Polianthes cultivars
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> Valuable collections vanishing soon after a changing of the guards or death
> of the owner is a familiar story. One way to counter this problem is for
> owners and caretakers to do their utmost to propagate and distribute
> valuable plants before the End. If this is carried-out during the most
> dynamic period of a collector's and collection's life then the
> ultimate fate of the collection will matter much less. It is also the
> living knowledge that goes with the plants that is of great value,
> something that can only be passed on in life.
> 
> Dylan Hannon
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 16:08:57 -0600
> From: Steve Marak <samarak@gizmoworks.com>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] new Polianthes cultivars
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> Dylan's approach is by far the best one. Even when the owner's wishes 
> are clearly expressed, survivors don't always respect them or carry them 
> out in a timely manner; in fact, it's a rarity when they do.
> 
> I'll take this opportunity to again praise PBS members and especially 
> Dell and the BX/SX for providing such a wonderfully easy and economical 
> way to share things, many of which are not easy to find elsewhere. 
> Bravo, Dell!
> 
> Steve
> 
> On 1/13/2014 3:31 PM, Hannon wrote:
>> Valuable collections vanishing soon after a changing of the guards or death
>> of the owner is a familiar story. One way to counter this problem is for
>> owners and caretakers to do their utmost to propagate and distribute
>> valuable plants before the End. If this is carried-out during the most
>> dynamic period of a collector's and collection's life then the
>> ultimate fate of the collection will matter much less. It is also the
>> living knowledge that goes with the plants that is of great value,
>> something that can only be passed on in life.
>> 
>> Dylan Hannon
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 23:51:37 +0000
> From: Alberto <ezeizabotgard@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] new Polianthes cultivars
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> Yes, Dell has made a fantastic job for years., always fair and clever. Impossible to achieve without somone very special like him.
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 18:56:04 -0500
> From: James SHIELDS <jshields46074@gmail.com>
> Subject: [pbs] Zantedeschia odorata ?
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> I have some Zantedeschia just starting to bloom in the greenhouse.  They
> might be Z. odorata.  How does one tell for sure whether they are the rare
> odorata or the common aethiopica?  (I have almost no sense of smell left,
> so sniffing may not work for me.)  All my Z. aethiopica/odorata seem to go
> dormant in summer here.
> 
> What happens when you cross aethiopica with odorata or vice versa?
> 
> Jim Shields
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> James Shields             jshields46074@gmail.com
> P.O. Box 92
> Westfield, IN 46074
> U.S.A.
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> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 11:52:50 +0000
> From: David Pilling <pbs@pilling.demon.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [pbs] Zantedeschia odorata ?
> To: Pacific Bulb Society <pbs@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Hi,
> 
> In message 
> <CAPSFtJB+BDOWmWRgrqbcE4eU3sYu0qJYNRwyq=++rS9A+8hcmA@mail.gmail.com>, 
> James SHIELDS <jshields46074@gmail.com> writes
>> I have some Zantedeschia just starting to bloom in the greenhouse.  They
>> might be Z. odorata.  How does one tell for sure whether they are the rare
>> odorata or the common aethiopica?
> 
> The wiki page:
> 
> http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/…
> 
> has a link to a key:
> 
> http://plantzafrica.com/veldflora/1995/…
> 
> from which it seems a fine distinction. There's also a quote from Duncan 
> that Z. odorata is not more smelly than Z. aethiopica.
> 
> 
> -- 
> David Pilling
> email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk
>   web: http://www.davidpilling.net/
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