In my experience growing American chestnuts, most deer repellents are only a relative solution, depending on replenishment rates, rainfall, and most importantly 'deer pressure' which equates to how hungry they are. I suspect the same is true for rodents - are they more annoyed or more hungry? I have found an 8-ft deer fence to require much less faith and religious fervor on my part to achieve satisfaction. (Surprisingly, white tailed deer can easily jump an 8 ft fence but only do so when being chased. When hungry they try to walk around it.) -----Original Message----- From: pbs [mailto:email@example.com] On Behalf Of Mark BROWN Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 4:30 PM To: Rick Buell; Pacific Bulb Society Subject: Re: [pbs] Saffron and pests Halleluja! Finally a remedy for deer! And voles.